I'm a former Republican.

[Kore]

Sept 19, 2012 10:48:54 GMT -5 shopgirl07 said:

I might get flamed for this but I really don't care if someone chooses to use abortion as birth control. It's their body and they have a right to do whatever they want with it.

It wouldn't be the path I'd take but I just don't understand getting so invested in other's choices.

I feel the same way. It seems dumb to have a medical procedure so many times when there are alternatives, but I'm glad it's an option.

[malibu]

Sept 19, 2012 8:22:54 GMT -5 wise_rita said:

Two abortions =/= using abortion as birth control

It does if that's what the girls getting them tell you they're doing.

[malibu]

Sept 19, 2012 10:48:54 GMT -5 shopgirl07 said:

I might get flamed for this but I really don't care if someone chooses to use abortion as birth control. It's their body and they have a right to do whatever they want with it.

It wouldn't be the path I'd take but I just don't understand getting so invested in other's choices.

Let me point out that I did say it's still their choice. I'm not "invested" in their choices. It's something that simply has stuck with me, and I think about when the topic comes up. So many people use religion as their reasoning for doubt. I was simply expressing a different reason that I struggle internally with it.

[Chirp]

Sept 18, 2012 21:42:18 GMT -5 malibu said:

I have the problem when someone uses it as a form of birth control. Things go wrong, birth control fails, I get that, and if that person chooses abortion, I am fine with that.

I get what Malibu is saying here.

A cousin of mine was this way as a teenager. She was raised very strict Catholic. No BC. She was expected to fully abstain until her wedding day.

She ended up pregnant. One of my aunts "took her shopping" (read: took cousin to aunt's doctor for an abortion). About 6 months later... pregnant again. Aunt took her shopping again. Shocker... pregnant again. Aunt took her again. Yeah.

The aunt finally fessed up. This was awhile ago, so I can't remember exactly what her punishment was.


My cousin is freshly graduated from college now and just got married last summer. She's doing really well. No pregnancies to speak of. She's on the pill now.

[phunluvin82]

Sept 19, 2012 13:09:36 GMT -5 Chirp said:

Sept 18, 2012 21:42:18 GMT -5 malibu said:

I have the problem when someone uses it as a form of birth control. Things go wrong, birth control fails, I get that, and if that person chooses abortion, I am fine with that.

I get what Malibu is saying here.

A cousin of mine was this way as a teenager. She was raised very strict Catholic. No BC. She was expected to fully abstain until her wedding day.She ended up pregnant. One of my aunts "took her shopping" (read: took cousin to aunt's doctor for an abortion). About 6 months later... pregnant again. Aunt took her shopping again. Shocker... pregnant again. Aunt took her again. Yeah.

The aunt finally fessed up. This was awhile ago, so I can't remember exactly what her punishment was.


My cousin is freshly graduated from college now and just got married last summer. She's doing really well. No pregnancies to speak of. She's on the pill now.

Examples like this are what is so frustrating to me about the whole abortion issue. The people who think abortion is wrong and is murder are usually (not always, but usually) the very same people who are opposed to BC and comprehensive sex ed. And what do they get for that? More abortions...duh!! Seems like common sense, cause-and-effect stuff to me, but somehow they reconcile these two opposing stances in their brains. Don't understand it.

[Chirp]

Sept 19, 2012 13:24:42 GMT -5 phunluvin82 said:

Sept 19, 2012 13:09:36 GMT -5 Chirp said:

I get what Malibu is saying here.

A cousin of mine was this way as a teenager. She was raised very strict Catholic. No BC. She was expected to fully abstain until her wedding day.She ended up pregnant. One of my aunts "took her shopping" (read: took cousin to aunt's doctor for an abortion). About 6 months later... pregnant again. Aunt took her shopping again. Shocker... pregnant again. Aunt took her again. Yeah.

The aunt finally fessed up. This was awhile ago, so I can't remember exactly what her punishment was.


My cousin is freshly graduated from college now and just got married last summer. She's doing really well. No pregnancies to speak of. She's on the pill now.

Examples like this are what is so frustrating to me about the whole abortion issue. The people who think abortion is wrong and is murder are usually (not always, but usually) the very same people who are opposed to BC and comprehensive sex ed. And what do they get for that? More abortions...duh!! Seems like common sense, cause-and-effect stuff to me, but somehow they reconcile these two opposing stances in their brains. Don't understand it.

Yeah, she opened her parents eyes. A lot. They're not nearly as strict as they used to be. Still very "proper", but not nearly as Catholic.

Her parents kept her at the Catholic school for her formal education, but she was put on the pill and given a full sex-ed lesson by her doctor.

[thegooser]

Thank you for your opinion, malibu. I'm glad you shared it and I kind of agree. I look at it like, we don't outlaw driving because some people repeatedly get DUI's. We don't shut down welfare because some people scam the system (right, Romney?). We don't outlaw marriage because your spouse is statistically the person in the world most likely to murder you. Some people take the rights and privileges we enjoy as society and find a way to abuse them, and that's always sad. But that doesn't mean we strip away people's rights and choices on a broader level.

I would support some kind of limit on abortions within one's lifetime. Maybe 3. Like people with DUI's lose their driving rights after X many DUI's. I'm sure there are all sorts of reasons why that wouldn't work that I'm not thinking through, but to me, if one had more than 3 abortions, they are being reckless and should lose the privilege.

[UMaineTeach]

Sept 19, 2012 13:24:42 GMT -5 phunluvin82 said:

Examples like this are what is so frustrating to me about the whole abortion issue. The people who think abortion is wrong and is murder are usually (not always, but usually) the very same people who are opposed to BC and comprehensive sex ed. And what do they get for that? More abortions...duh!! Seems like common sense, cause-and-effect stuff to me, but somehow they reconcile these two opposing stances in their brains. Don't understand it.

It actually breaks down pretty simplistically in their minds, I think.

Sex is for marriage only
Marriage is to legitimize having children
You don't need to know about sex until you are married and want children so we just tell you - don't have sex, that's all you need to know right now.
When you are married and having sex it means you want children, so you don't need BC.
Don't get married if you don't want children.
Don't have sex if you don't want children.

[Deleted]

If a woman is irresponsible enough to get pregnant multiple times then she is unlikely to be able to care for and nuture a child properly. Why punish a child for this? I want that women to have access to as many fucking abortions as she needs. Free and clear. Birth control? Sure. Humane? Yes.