Monday politics

[sparrowsong]

No thread yet?

Governor of California is withdrawing troops assigned to fake border crisis like NM did.

“The border ‘emergency’ is nothing more than a manufactured crisis — and CA’s National Guard will not be part of this political theater.“

[pixy0stix]

I saw a whole train full of cars tagged with "fuck Trump". Brightened up my day.

[candreco]

WaPo has put their shutdown countdown clock back up. Sigh.

[isabel]

Feb 11, 2019 14:21:14 GMT -5 candreco said:

WaPo has put their shutdown countdown clock back up. Sigh.

The 15th is the deadline, right? What are the chances they convince the Toddler in Chief to be reasonable?

[candreco]

Feb 11, 2019 14:25:31 GMT -5 isabel said:

Feb 11, 2019 14:21:14 GMT -5 candreco said:

WaPo has put their shutdown countdown clock back up. Sigh.

The 15th is the deadline, right? What are the chances they convince the Toddler in Chief to be reasonable?

Yup, and not much.  Talks stalled, and it'll take time to actually get anything agreed on through to being voted on.

[miniroller]

In case anyone forgot where 45’s currently headed:
Trump Tries to Turn Border Debate His Way With Texas Rally
apple.news/AF_1C-h1WSs6o4LxIdDGW8g
I saw El Paso’s (R) mayor interviewed & he was expressing his sincere desire to meet with Trump before the rally. It was either a really good acting job, or dude really does think he can change 45’s ridiculous rhetoric if #45 ‘heard the truth’ 😐
El Paso mayor says Trump is 'wrong' to connect city's crime drop and border barrier
amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/02/11/politics/el-paso-mayor-trump-cnntv/index.html

[Miss Phryne Fisher]

I have a question. I am going to Rome on Saturday (probably, considering we are flying out of JFK, lets say for argument's sake that the first day of a shutdown is NBD...right.) Coming back the 23. Would incoming flights be affected as well? I know ATC could be an issue, but is TSA an issue coming in? They aren't the ones who check us coming in, right? I am so worried. This is a tight trip, my mom does them all the time, but I have to work Monday and am a naturally nervous person.

[biscoffcookies]

Feb 11, 2019 14:57:34 GMT -5 Miss Phryne Fisher said:

I have a question. I am going to Rome on Saturday (probably, considering we are flying out of JFK, lets say for argument's sake that the first day of a shutdown is NBD...right.) Coming back the 23. Would incoming flights be affected as well? I know ATC could be an issue, but is TSA an issue coming in? They aren't the ones who check us coming in, right? I am so worried. This is a tight trip, my mom does them all the time, but I have to work Monday and am a naturally nervous person.

CBP who handles stuff at the border will be essential and so will still be working.

[sparrowsong]

Today seems weirdly quiet.

[Velar Fricative]

I am utterly confused. I fly internationally on Friday thinking that would be the first day of the possible shutdown based on previous articles, but the WaPo clock indicates it would be Saturday.

But I’ve got the same worry as above about actually returning to NYC the following week if there is still a shutdown.

[seeyalater52]

Utah is essentially repealing their Medicaid expansion ballot initiative today. While we prepared for (and fought against) this outcome I admit I didnt think they’d actually be so brazen as to willfully vote against the constituents in their districts, but here we are.

Unfuckingbelievable.

And I admit I cried. This is 4 years of my life and many hundreds of thousands of dollars of my projects money alone they just flushed, and for a plan that covers far fewer people and costs far more money than full expansion. Those fuckers.

[pumpkin]

Feb 11, 2019 15:01:06 GMT -5 biscoffcookies said:

Feb 11, 2019 14:57:34 GMT -5 Miss Phryne Fisher said:

I have a question. I am going to Rome on Saturday (probably, considering we are flying out of JFK, lets say for argument's sake that the first day of a shutdown is NBD...right.) Coming back the 23. Would incoming flights be affected as well? I know ATC could be an issue, but is TSA an issue coming in? They aren't the ones who check us coming in, right? I am so worried. This is a tight trip, my mom does them all the time, but I have to work Monday and am a naturally nervous person.

CBP who handles stuff at the border will be essential and so will still be working.

Exactly this. CBP is essential so will be there for customs, etc as usual

[mrsukyankee]

That sucks seeyalater52.

[georgeglass]

seeyalater52, I'm sorry.

[miniroller]

seeyalater52 So Sorry for the blow, man. I guarantee none of us can quite feel the punch to the gut you just experienced but we all wish so hard you didn’t (obvs for more reason than one) ☹️

[winecat]

seeyalater52- I'm so sorry. What cruel mother fuckers.

[4speedy]

Feb 11, 2019 14:57:34 GMT -5 Miss Phryne Fisher said:

I have a question. I am going to Rome on Saturday (probably, considering we are flying out of JFK, lets say for argument's sake that the first day of a shutdown is NBD...right.) Coming back the 23. Would incoming flights be affected as well? I know ATC could be an issue, but is TSA an issue coming in? They aren't the ones who check us coming in, right? I am so worried. This is a tight trip, my mom does them all the time, but I have to work Monday and am a naturally nervous person.

I had an international flight out of Detroit early on during the last shutdown.  We cleared TSA faster than ever before.  I didn’t have to take my shoes off, which I normally do at this airport and did do in August.  I didn’t take my coat off, I wore it through the X-ray.  I didn’t have to get my electronics out of my bag.  I just laid my purse down on the conveyor belt and the whole thing went through.  There was a TSA agent yelling, “no need to put your items in a tray, your bag works as your tray today.”

I naively commented to DH that I was shocked it was running as smoothly as it was.  He laughed and said, “They’re not being efficient, they’re not doing anything.”

[sparrowsong]

The video of AOC tearing apart campaign finance laws is now the most watched video by a politician ever and #41 most watched of all twitter videos. That’s pretty damn impressive. She’s definitely igniting excitement in people.

[biscoffcookies]

Feb 11, 2019 17:03:47 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Utah is essentially repealing their Medicaid expansion ballot initiative today. While we prepared for (and fought against) this outcome I admit I didnt think they’d actually be so brazen as to willfully vote against the constituents in their districts, but here we are.

Unfuckingbelievable.

And I admit I cried. This is 4 years of my life and many hundreds of thousands of dollars of my projects money alone they just flushed, and for a plan that covers far fewer people and costs far more money than full expansion. Those fuckers.

I am so sorry. That is infuriating.

I know it's not new and shouldn't surprise anyone, but it is always infuriating to watch the GOP blatantly put aside their constituents' wishes. They are supposed to be representing the electorate but when they disagree with them they ignore them, overturn them,or make it harder for them to express themselves in the future (see the Ohio making ballot initiatives way harder).

I wish I thought they'd suffer consequences, but it's Utah. So.

[tessalb]

I’m so sorry, seeyalater52.

[seeyalater52]

Feb 11, 2019 20:19:15 GMT -5 biscoffcookies said:

Feb 11, 2019 17:03:47 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Utah is essentially repealing their Medicaid expansion ballot initiative today. While we prepared for (and fought against) this outcome I admit I didnt think they’d actually be so brazen as to willfully vote against the constituents in their districts, but here we are.

Unfuckingbelievable.

And I admit I cried. This is 4 years of my life and many hundreds of thousands of dollars of my projects money alone they just flushed, and for a plan that covers far fewer people and costs far more money than full expansion. Those fuckers.

I am so sorry. That is infuriating.

I know it's not new and shouldn't surprise anyone, but it is always infuriating to watch the GOP blatantly put aside their constituents' wishes. They are supposed to be representing the electorate but when they disagree with them they ignore them, overturn them,or make it harder for them to express themselves in the future (see the Ohio making ballot initiatives way harder).

I wish I thought they'd suffer consequences, but it's Utah. So.

I’m paying for consequences with the rest of the money that was supposed to be supporting implementation through December (and it’s a lot.) Our partners there really blew it today so I’m not sure how much actual accountability it will buy us but I’m going to try. I’m so beyond furious.

[curbsideprophet]

Feb 11, 2019 17:01:11 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

I am utterly confused. I fly internationally on Friday thinking that would be the first day of the possible shutdown based on previous articles, but the WaPo clock indicates it would be Saturday.

But I’ve got the same worry as above about actually returning to NYC the following week if there is still a shutdown.

The CR was through Feb 15. So Friday the government will be open. If they do not reach a deal by midnight the gov shuts down on Sat the 16th.

Sounds like there is a tentative deal

Negotiators Reach Tentative Deal on Border Security to Avoid Shutdown www.nytimes.com/2019/02/11/us/politics/immigration-detention-beds-ice-trump.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

[isabel]

Feb 11, 2019 19:19:45 GMT -5 4speedy said:

Feb 11, 2019 14:57:34 GMT -5 Miss Phryne Fisher said:

I have a question. I am going to Rome on Saturday (probably, considering we are flying out of JFK, lets say for argument's sake that the first day of a shutdown is NBD...right.) Coming back the 23. Would incoming flights be affected as well? I know ATC could be an issue, but is TSA an issue coming in? They aren't the ones who check us coming in, right? I am so worried. This is a tight trip, my mom does them all the time, but I have to work Monday and am a naturally nervous person.

I had an international flight out of Detroit early on during the last shutdown.  We cleared TSA faster than ever before.  I didn’t have to take my shoes off, which I normally do at this airport and did do in August.  I didn’t take my coat off, I wore it through the X-ray.  I didn’t have to get my electronics out of my bag.  I just laid my purse down on the conveyor belt and the whole thing went through.  There was a TSA agent yelling, “no need to put your items in a tray, your bag works as your tray today.”

I naively commented to DH that I was shocked it was running as smoothly as it was.  He laughed and said, “They’re not being efficient, they’re not doing anything.”

This is kind of terrifying to me.

[pixy0stix]

Feb 11, 2019 22:48:27 GMT -5 isabel said:

Feb 11, 2019 19:19:45 GMT -5 4speedy said:

I had an international flight out of Detroit early on during the last shutdown.  We cleared TSA faster than ever before.  I didn’t have to take my shoes off, which I normally do at this airport and did do in August.  I didn’t take my coat off, I wore it through the X-ray.  I didn’t have to get my electronics out of my bag.  I just laid my purse down on the conveyor belt and the whole thing went through.  There was a TSA agent yelling, “no need to put your items in a tray, your bag works as your tray today.”

I naively commented to DH that I was shocked it was running as smoothly as it was.  He laughed and said, “They’re not being efficient, they’re not doing anything.”

This is kind of terrifying to me.

It's not to me. This is the way it should be. All the rest is just bullshit security theater that doesn't work anyway.