Epstein arrested in New York, charged with sex trafficking

[anodyne]

www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article232374872.html

[jlt19]

I hope he sings like a little bitch.

[bronxgirl]

Lock this bastard up. Did anyone watch Boardwalk Empire? He reminds me of the Commodore.

[Jalapeñomel]

I saw this on Twitter with lots of comments about how he’s BFFs with the Clintons and only a neighbor to Trump. 👀

[heat40]

The right is excited that this will implicate Clinton, and the left is excited that it will implicate Trump. This is a huge deal which will no doubt expose MANY powerful people.

[elleblue]

Jul 6, 2019 20:48:59 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

I saw this on Twitter with lots of comments about how he’s BFFs with the Clintons and only a neighbor to Trump. 👀

Purportedly both Bill Clinton and Trump took trips on his airplane* so yeah no, nice try Trumpers. 🙄

*and I believe it was on his airplane that the woman who accused Trump of raping her while underage

[Velar Fricative]

GOOD. Let’s not forget Alex Acosta is now the Secretary of Labor who’s been relatively unscathed compared to the whole shitshow known as the Trump administration. Not anymore, I hope.

Reading all the details again (Miami Herald published a very well-written and rage-inducing series of articles about Epstein a few months ago), I feel so awful for the numerous victims. And I hope any other adult involved pays too.

[elleblue]

Jul 6, 2019 20:52:21 GMT -5 heat40 said:

The right is excited that this will implicate Clinton, and the left is excited that it will implicate Trump. This is a huge deal which will no doubt expose MANY powerful people.

Prince Andrew is allegedly another one who is likely to be implicated.

[Velar Fricative]

Jul 6, 2019 20:52:21 GMT -5 heat40 said:

The right is excited that this will implicate Clinton, and the left is excited that it will implicate Trump. This is a huge deal which will no doubt expose MANY powerful people.

I know. I don’t care. Burn it all down. Everyone involved should pay.

[elleblue]

Jul 6, 2019 20:55:27 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Jul 6, 2019 20:52:21 GMT -5 heat40 said:

The right is excited that this will implicate Clinton, and the left is excited that it will implicate Trump. This is a huge deal which will no doubt expose MANY powerful people.

I know. I don’t care. Burn it all down. Everyone involved should pay.

Completely agree.

[rosiebear]

It would not be a surprise if Bill Clinton is implicated, any more than it would be a surprise if Trump is.

[Jalapeñomel]

Jul 6, 2019 20:55:27 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Jul 6, 2019 20:52:21 GMT -5 heat40 said:

The right is excited that this will implicate Clinton, and the left is excited that it will implicate Trump. This is a huge deal which will no doubt expose MANY powerful people.

I know. I don’t care. Burn it all down. Everyone involved should pay.

Yep. I hope their victims get some justice.

[ESF]

If I also recall, Kevin Spacey and Alan Derschewitz were also rumored to be on the plane.

[ESF]

Also these are federal charges so we will all get to see Trump pardon a serial sex predator. That’s a fun thing for Republicans to defend.

[mcsangel2]

Jul 6, 2019 20:55:27 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Jul 6, 2019 20:52:21 GMT -5 heat40 said:

The right is excited that this will implicate Clinton, and the left is excited that it will implicate Trump. This is a huge deal which will no doubt expose MANY powerful people.

I know. I don’t care. Burn it all down. Everyone involved should pay.

This is exactly how I feel.

[Jalapeñomel]

Jul 7, 2019 9:11:31 GMT -5 ESF said:

Also these are federal charges so we will all get to see Trump pardon a serial sex predator. That’s a fun thing for Republicans to defend.

It will be interesting to see how they twist it or if it will all be a whataboutism.

[bugandbibs]

I’m so burned that I am afraid to hope for actual justice. I would loved to be proved wrong, but there are so many powerful people involved.

[debatethis]

Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, Jon Huntsman, Dersh, Ehud Barak, Tony Blair, a few princes and viscounts and dukes, Kevin Spacey. Burn them all down.

[debatethis]

And here's my tin foil hat being on a little too tight, but there were all sorts of articles about how weird it was that a "squeaky clean" rising GOP star of Jon Huntsman suddenly fizzled out, and then got tapped by Trump to be the Ambassador to Russia when he doesn't even speak Russian and arguably hated Trump. Seems mighty like he got buried and silenced re: the Epstein stuff.

[aurora]

I hope he, and everyone else who participated in these rapes and cover-ups, rot in jail.

I admit to being a little confused about the legalities. His non-prosecution agreement (& immunity) from a decade ago was federal, but then a judge ruled that agreement was illegal, but then Trump's DOJ ruled that they'd uphold it anyway, but now he's arrested on federal charges? Are they different charges now? I see that there will be a lot of documents unsealed at tomorrow's hearing.

I swear I read the article...

[debatethis]

Jul 7, 2019 13:41:12 GMT -5 aurora said:

I hope he, and everyone else who participated in these rapes and cover-ups, rot in jail.

I admit to being a little confused about the legalities. His non-prosecution agreement (& immunity) from a decade ago was federal, but then a judge ruled that agreement was illegal, but then Trump's DOJ ruled that they'd uphold it anyway, but now he's arrested on federal charges? Are they different charges now? I see that there will be a lot of documents unsealed at tomorrow's hearing.

I swear I read the article...

It's not clear, I googled and read several articles including commentary from the Miami Herald reporter who's been covering this for years. Near as I can tell, the initial FBI investigation and subsequent Acosta sweetheart deal was re: 30 women. I THINK there have been new/more women who've come forward (the Herald reporter said her team had identified 60), so my guess was that these are new charges, same crimes, but different victims. 

[ESF]

Jul 7, 2019 13:44:10 GMT -5 debatethis said:

Jul 7, 2019 13:41:12 GMT -5 aurora said:

I hope he, and everyone else who participated in these rapes and cover-ups, rot in jail.

I admit to being a little confused about the legalities. His non-prosecution agreement (& immunity) from a decade ago was federal, but then a judge ruled that agreement was illegal, but then Trump's DOJ ruled that they'd uphold it anyway, but now he's arrested on federal charges? Are they different charges now? I see that there will be a lot of documents unsealed at tomorrow's hearing.

I swear I read the article...

It's not clear, I googled and read several articles including commentary from the Miami Herald reporter who's been covering this for years. Near as I can tell, the initial FBI investigation and subsequent Acosta sweetheart deal was re: 30 women. I THINK there have been new/more women who've come forward (the Herald reporter said her team had identified 60), so my guess was that these are new charges, same crimes, but different victims. 

From what I understand, the charges are still sealed and we won't know about them until the court hearing tomorrow (at the earliest, I suppose they could continue to be sealed).

I agree that new victims seems like the most likely charge. That said, apparently this came out of the Public Corruption unit. So it could be something else - bribery and kickbacks to keep his crimes under wrap or to secure that deal from the get go. But from what I understand, you can't always infer what the crime is from the unit involved.

This was the unit that nabbed Michael Cohen. So my tinfoil hat is wondering if he gave up some goods on Epstein that he learned from his dealings with Trump. 

[ESF]

Here’s a really helpful article that touches on a lot of issues.

www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-shouldnt-expect-to-wiggle-free-again-with-sdny-sex-trafficking-charges

[shauni27]

Jul 8, 2019 8:41:36 GMT -5 ESF said:

Here’s a really helpful article that touches on a lot of issues.

www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-shouldnt-expect-to-wiggle-free-again-with-sdny-sex-trafficking-charges

this is really helpful, thank you!

[Velar Fricative]

I looked back because I know Feinstein brought up Epstein during Acosta's confirmation hearing in 2017. I guess everything else was such a shitshow at that point that Acosta was less controversial than everyone else and no one was paying attention (and that goes for me too, I'm not absolving myself here). He was confirmed 60-38, with all Rs present voting to confirm and 8 Ds/I voting to confirm. Most of those Ds are/were from red states, so endangered Ds like McCaskill and Heitkamp. The one that stands out to me above the rest is Menendez from NJ. Maybe I'm reading way too much into this but I know he's shady too so who the fuck knows why he voted to confirm.

www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00116

[eclaires]

Labeled in a safe? Smells like blackmail material to me.

[pixy0stix]

Jul 8, 2019 11:46:31 GMT -5 eclaires said:

Labeled in a safe? Smells like blackmail material to me.

Yup. The shakedown on this is going to be huge.

[ESF]

Another interesting article. This one is written by a former Vanity Fair reporter, who talks about a story she wrote on Epstein in 2002. Apparently, Graydon Carter removed references to Epstein's sexual proclivities from the story before it went to print.

Also, I didn't know this, but apparently the true source of Epstein's wealth has always been a mystery. Like the Wall Street asset management work doesn't really tell the whole story, but nobody has ever really dug too deeply into it.


www.thedailybeast.com/i-tried-to-warn-you-about-sleazy-billionaire-jeffrey-epstein-in-2003

[ESF]

WOW. What brave women.

[shauni27]

Jul 8, 2019 13:27:28 GMT -5 ESF said:

WOW. What brave women.

holy shit. That is so hard. I cannot imagine.