Post by karinothing on Jul 16, 2019 13:54:49 GMT -5
I don't think I would have less clothes if my kid had uniforms. Now I would need clothes for each day plus clothes to wear on the weekends and for after school stuff. I think this would double our clothing purchases? I mean my kid can't wear the same clothes each day because he is gross and filthy. They would at least need to be washed before they are reworn, which can be hard for folks that may not have easy access to a washer dryer.
OR am I missing something about how this results in less clothes?
I would LOVE LOVE LOVE uniforms here. I have too many fucking clothes to wash, it is horrible.
How would uniforms reduce your laundry? Everyone still wears one outfit every day that gets dirty and needs washing, no? In fact, I could see many kids not wearing their uniform after school and changing into regular clothes, this doubling laundry (and purchase costs).
Mine would wear the same clothes to play in every.damn.day and leave all the other stuff stuffed in the back or bottom of their dresser drawers. By the end of the week I'd have two uniform pants, two or three uniform tops and one pair of jeans and a couple t-shirts, plus underwear and a shitton of unmated socks if I left it up to them.
I grew up wearing uniforms - every school here has them - so it's what I'm used to and am happy with it. There is a still a lot of handing down clothes (our uniform shirts in particular seem to be made of an indestructible fabric). I like that it means there are no arguments as to what to wear. Our uniform does come from a specific place (the school sells it) but they keep it as cheap as possible.
Post by morecoffeeplease on Jul 16, 2019 13:57:40 GMT -5
Is there a plan if a student doesn’t come to school in uniform?
We just moved from dc public schools and most schools had uniforms. It was basically a color bottom and a color top. My sons was khaki bottoms and yellow or blue shirt. It was fine. Students were not punished for being out of uniform. There was a uniform closet and laundry facilities if needed.
Post by jeaniebueller on Jul 16, 2019 13:57:45 GMT -5
I wouldn't care either way if my kid's school went to uniforms. That said, I guess I don't totally understand the argument that its better for lower income kids since they will have to have more clothes than less, plus will have to make sure that their uniforms are laundered in a timely basis.
Post by morecoffeeplease on Jul 16, 2019 13:59:12 GMT -5
Personally I felt like we had double clothes. Enough uniforms to get us through a week and then after school/weekend clothes. That was just us personally though. Many of my students wore uniforms on weekends too.
How would uniforms reduce your laundry? Everyone still wears one outfit every day that gets dirty and needs washing, no? In fact, I could see many kids not wearing their uniform after school and changing into regular clothes, this doubling laundry (and purchase costs).
Mine would wear the same clothes to play in every.damn.day and leave all the other stuff stuffed in the back or bottom of their dresser drawers. By the end of the week I'd have two uniform pants, two or three uniform tops and one pair of jeans and a couple t-shirts, plus underwear and a shitton of unmated socks if I left it up to them.
So still not less laundry assuming they’re changing clothes daily, as they naturally should be. even if there’s no increase, I’m not seeing how uniforms would lead to less laundry.
I would LOVE LOVE LOVE uniforms here. I have too many fucking clothes to wash, it is horrible.
How would uniforms reduce your laundry? Everyone still wears one outfit every day that gets dirty and needs washing, no? In fact, I could see many kids not wearing their uniform after school and changing into regular clothes, this doubling laundry (and purchase costs).
Because I wouldn't have as many clothes as they do now which get thrown all over the place when they are looking for outfits to wear to school. And my twins can easily go through 3 outfits a day. Uniforms would make my life much easier knowing what they need to wear everyday
From a PTA fundraising perspective, I would love uniforms. Kids (and parents!) are motivated by free dress days and they’re a really easy reward for fundraising (and basically everything else), especially in a district with almost no free/reduced lunch.
We've had "uniforms" in our district for 3 years now.
Uniforms have not even remotely solved bullying issues (there's plenty of evidence to this regard in private schools). If anything, it's even more obvious that there are $$$$ differences when everyone is wearing "the same thing".
In practice, uniforms are definitely NOT CHEAPER. They are an additional expense- kids do not live in them (mine change as soon as they get home). More laundry burden, too. And believe me, a $7 polo is out of the question for many of the parents in my district.
They've created a massive, hard to solve discipline issue- do we really want to punish children for the clothing their parents dress them in? How do you enforce a uniform policy without negatively impacting a child's right to a free and appropriate education? Oh, and the hoodies- the hoodies kids wear to hide both the polos they hate and the non-compliant tops, even when it's 100F outside- they can use hoodies to hide other things, too- so now we have to figure out how to deal with that.
We have much bigger issues in public education in my state (and district), so I don't want to invest too much time in fighting it- but, I am NOT A FAN.
Mine would wear the same clothes to play in every.damn.day and leave all the other stuff stuffed in the back or bottom of their dresser drawers. By the end of the week I'd have two uniform pants, two or three uniform tops and one pair of jeans and a couple t-shirts, plus underwear and a shitton of unmated socks if I left it up to them.
So still not less laundry assuming they’re changing clothes daily, as they naturally should be. even if there’s no increase, I’m not seeing how uniforms would lead to less laundry.
Because at least with my girls, they won't want to repeat the same jeans for a week and tops for at least two weeks for school. But at home, they'll lounge around in the same darn outfit after school for weeks on end if I'd let them get away with it. Uniforms mean that I only have to wash two pairs of pants and two tops (or however many I buy) and the repetitively worn after-school clothes. It's not so much the laundry as the angst around it. And my fault for buying so...much...stuff. lol.
Mine would wear the same clothes to play in every.damn.day and leave all the other stuff stuffed in the back or bottom of their dresser drawers. By the end of the week I'd have two uniform pants, two or three uniform tops and one pair of jeans and a couple t-shirts, plus underwear and a shitton of unmated socks if I left it up to them.
So still not less laundry assuming they’re changing clothes daily, as they naturally should be. even if there’s no increase, I’m not seeing how uniforms would lead to less laundry.
Because there would be less clothes to begin with and they are already marked for school so you don't have 3 kids screaming that they have nothing to wear but have closets full of clothes which get thrown around and probably rewashed 5 times because I don't know if they are clean, lol 🤪
So still not less laundry assuming they’re changing clothes daily, as they naturally should be. even if there’s no increase, I’m not seeing how uniforms would lead to less laundry.
Because at least with my girls, they won't want to repeat the same jeans for a week and tops for at least two weeks for school. But at home, they'll lounge around in the same darn outfit after school for weeks on end if I'd let them get away with it. Uniforms mean that I only have to wash two pairs of pants and two tops (or however many I buy) and the repetitively worn after-school clothes. It's not so much the laundry as the angst around it. And my fault for buying so...much...stuff. lol.
Co-signed
You can re-wear uniforms for the week as no one would know but they won't re-wear the same pants and shirts so it is different outfits everyday.
We don't have gyms in our elementary schools, the kids can't change- so they're wearing polos (HOT) in P.E./recess. You know which kids are re-wearing their clothes.
How would uniforms reduce your laundry? Everyone still wears one outfit every day that gets dirty and needs washing, no? In fact, I could see many kids not wearing their uniform after school and changing into regular clothes, this doubling laundry (and purchase costs).
Because I wouldn't have as many clothes as they do now which get thrown all over the place when they are looking for outfits to wear to school. And my twins can easily go through 3 outfits a day. Uniforms would make my life much easier knowing what they need to wear everyday
Ah, my kids get dressed in the morning and that’s it. We haven’t had issues with clean clothes in the laundry or wardrobe changes except changing for sports games (practice they can wear what they wore to school, another bonus of no uniform).
Because at least with my girls, they won't want to repeat the same jeans for a week and tops for at least two weeks for school. But at home, they'll lounge around in the same darn outfit after school for weeks on end if I'd let them get away with it. Uniforms mean that I only have to wash two pairs of pants and two tops (or however many I buy) and the repetitively worn after-school clothes. It's not so much the laundry as the angst around it. And my fault for buying so...much...stuff. lol.
Co-signed
You can re-wear uniforms for the week as no one would know but they won't re-wear the same pants and shirts so it is different outfits everyday.
Ah, see my girls can rewear jeans without anyone noticing. And shirts have to be washed no matter what. Workout-style clothes get washed anyway because they only wear them for elementary school gym day (they don’t change for gym until middle school) or if they have a sport in the afternoon, so those would have to be washed even if they were uniform pants. Or they would have to change and make separate pants dirty.
Post by Dumbledork on Jul 16, 2019 15:10:48 GMT -5
I hate uniforms. Hate.
It doubles my laundry, it doubles my clothing budget, it does not reduce bullying ime, it leads to more things for kids to get I. Trouble for with administration, causes more overall stress for parents, makes it harder on low income families and I’m just 100% over uniforms.
I hate them as a parent and as someone working in schools with majority kids from low income families.
Uniforms are less affordable. I am against them for that reason alone. You can get by with hand me downs and thrift store without having to purchase a specific item and it is easier to disguise your income level that way. Also, washing is a huge burden on parents who can not afford their own washer or dryer. It means either they smell, or that they are hand washed in the sink every few days. Either way, it is clear that they are not "fresh."
I do not think parents need to be consulted, but I do agree that July is late to make a huge change like a uniform policy. This is the type of thing that should be communicated by the last day of the previous year. I have seen some where year 1 is lax, and then enforced in year two, so I suppose that would work, but not deciding a few weeks before school.
We've had "uniforms" in our district for 3 years now.
Uniforms have not even remotely solved bullying issues
We got a grant through our SRO to buy everyone (all staff, students) PK-8 a t-shirt that promotes anti bullying. You can wear it whenever and there are days it’s strongly encouraged. I have seen kids bully while wearing the damn shirt. Hello. Clearly not working.
Post by StrawberryBlondie on Jul 16, 2019 15:15:10 GMT -5
I generally don't like uniforms but I wouldn't be too terribly upset if dd's school started with them.
There are 3 main issues I have with them.
First is just that most in my area are polos and khakis... which I find physically uncomfortable.
Second is heat - most schools around here don't have A/C and it's usually really hot the first few weeks to month of school and the last few weeks to month of school. Most uniforms I've seen seem to be more appropriate for like October or March weather.
I'm also pretty sure that it would be more expensive for me. I buy most of dd's clothes second-hand and from what I've seen around here, I'd likely have to largely buy new.
Personally I felt like we had double clothes. Enough uniforms to get us through a week and then after school/weekend clothes. That was just us personally though. Many of my students wore uniforms on weekends too.
So while Googling this subject, today I learned that under California law, schools can’t force you to wear a uniform. Some schools that implemented uniforms actually had to do away with them because so many parents simply refused to buy them.
I’m not sure if we’re the only state like that though.
ETA: Whoops — quoted the wrong post! This was supposed to be in response to the question of what happens when a student shows up in street clothes.
Personally I felt like we had double clothes. Enough uniforms to get us through a week and then after school/weekend clothes. That was just us personally though. Many of my students wore uniforms on weekends too.
So while Googling this subject, today I learned that under California law, schools can’t force you to wear a uniform. Some schools that implemented uniforms actually had to do away with them because so many parents simply refused to buy them.
I’m not sure if we’re the only state like that though.
ETA: Whoops — quoted the wrong post! This was supposed to be in response to the question of what happens when a student shows up in street clothes.
I'll add that in my state (FL), this is 100% a symptom of the GOP's fetish of privatizing public schools. Our district actually initially agreed to switch to uniforms because the state dangled $10 a head for districts that implemented them. Our county, being the great loser in the state's education funding formula, never got the money they were promised. We got nothing.
I guess I could just say- if it's something FL is doing to public education- everyone else should think twice.
I don't think I would have less clothes if my kid had uniforms. Now I would need clothes for each day plus clothes to wear on the weekends and for after school stuff. I think this would double our clothing purchases? I mean my kid can't wear the same clothes each day because he is gross and filthy. They would at least need to be washed before they are reworn, which can be hard for folks that may not have easy access to a washer dryer.
OR am I missing something about how this results in less clothes?
Most mom friends at DS’s school have the same rule we do. No changing out of the uniform after school unless you need to change for an activity. If DS has swimming, he doesn’t change until he gets into his suit. If he has karate, he doesn’t remove his school uniform until he changes into his karate uniform. When he had soccer which was held on the school field, he was required to wear his school gym uniform. All school sports require the school gym uniform during practice.
It’s rare that DS has a reason to change our of his school uniform and into regular clothes on a school day.
We own far fewer clothes now that DS wears a uniform.
ETA : DS’s school has a uniform closet open every day. Even summer weekdays. Evvvvyone dumps their old uniforms into the sized bins. I bought more than I needed for kinder, but gathered many items from the closet for next year already. Our uniforms are worn into the ground. Parents are really open on the family FB page when they are in need of s specific size. Or if they can’t easily find time to search the closet and could use help from another parent with grabbing items. (I have made a few classroom clothing drops.) Uniform bonus: if a child has an accident or spills milk in their lap the nurse just grabs clothes from the uniform closet and the child carries on with their day. No noticeable change in clothes / other kids realizing.