@ Trump abortion restrictions effective immediately

[jeaniebueller]

I don't see this already posted


www.apnews.com/e0bf2658969c482bb9addf40eb5bd667


Ahead of a planned conference Tuesday with the clinics, the Health and Human Services Department formally notified them that it will begin enforcing the ban on abortion referrals, along with a requirement that clinics maintain separate finances from facilities that provide abortions. Another requirement that both kinds of facilities cannot be under the same roof would take effect next year.



Fuck these assholes. We must defeat the GOP in 2020

[msmerymac]

I'm trying not to cry at work.


@@@ and trigger warning:

I had a D&E less than a month ago for an incomplete miscarriage. Of course, it was with my reproductive endocrinologist and at a private hospital, so it was fine and would be fine, and will likely to continue to be fine, but it is NOT FINE for millions of women who don't have that option and I am LIVID.

[mrsukyankee]

JFC. I have no words.

[WOT?*]

I am so sorry msmerymac.
And that's what these assholes don't get. It's really not about the fetus no matter how they try to spin it. It's about controlling women, particularly women without economic means that give them access to alternatives.

[pixy0stix]

GODDAMN IT MOTHERFUCKERS

[aliciabella]

NOBODY SEES THE REDIRECTION HERE FOR HIS RACIST COMMENTS??

It can't happen, he can't do that but now the attention will be moved away from his racist shit.

That question was hypothetical of course but fuck him and the lengths he will go to divert attention away from other matters.



Oh good lord the irony of making fun of someone's spellings and misspelling themselves.

[debatethis]

Jul 16, 2019 14:23:44 GMT -5 aliciabella said:

NOBODY SEES THE REDIRECTION HEAR FOR HIS RACIST COMMENTS??

It can't happen, he can't do that but now the attention will be moved away from his racist shit.

That question was hypothetical of course but fuck him and the lengths he will go to divert attention away from other matters.

This isn't redirection. It's straight up retaliation. He hates women. 

[downtoearth]

Jul 16, 2019 14:23:44 GMT -5 aliciabella said:

NOBODY SEES THE REDIRECTION HEAR FOR HIS RACIST COMMENTS??

It can't happen, he can't do that but now the attention will be moved away from his racist shit.

That question was hypothetical of course but fuck him and the lengths he will go to divert attention away from other matters.

I thought this too... every time he screws up, he attacks another area of policy that his base loves (i.e. anti-abortion or anti-immigration) so everyone is scrambling to combat that instead keeping him accountable for being a racist hater. Who is his shitshow team? Because they are disturbingly good at distraction so that we have a complete forest fire surrounding us, but we can only fight one small edge of the fire at any time.  

[elleblue]

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PDQ

I'm 20 weeks tomorrow, and the earliest appointment for my anatomy scan at the fancy ultrasound place my OB wanted me to go to again that I could make is for a week from today. You know, the scan where you typically find out if there's anything drastically wrong. Granted I'm in a position of privilege and would still likely be able to make any necessary decisions and accomodations, but so many women do not have those luxuries. It's infuriating and panic inducing.

[imojoebunny]

It makes me absolutely ill. This is 100% bad medicine, and we do not need a crystal ball to know that the results are devastating.

[aliciabella]

Jul 16, 2019 14:29:48 GMT -5 debatethis said:

Jul 16, 2019 14:23:44 GMT -5 aliciabella said:

NOBODY SEES THE REDIRECTION HEAR FOR HIS RACIST COMMENTS??

It can't happen, he can't do that but now the attention will be moved away from his racist shit.

That question was hypothetical of course but fuck him and the lengths he will go to divert attention away from other matters.

This isn't redirection. It's straight up retaliation. He hates women. 

Nah. But it is close. He is getting fucking heat about his racist comments. What can upstand that? Abortion of course. This was intentional, like I have been saying for years It is misdirection and I can guarantee he will back out this shit then the news will just sash-sa to the next event.

For legal clarification: he cannot do what he proposed. So we will all talk about this thing over here that will never happen( But is a very obvious concern for all of us) but people will play like it is occurring, then we carry-on to the next event.

[penguingrrl]

Fuck these anti women anti poor people assholes.

[jeaniebueller]

Jul 16, 2019 15:01:08 GMT -5 aliciabella said:

Jul 16, 2019 14:29:48 GMT -5 debatethis said:

This isn't redirection. It's straight up retaliation. He hates women. 

Nah. But it is close. He is getting fucking heat about his racist comments. What can upstand that? Abortion of course. This was intentional, like I have been saying for years It is misdirection and I can guarantee he will back out this shit then the news will just sash-sa to the next event.

For legal clarification: he cannot do what he proposed. So we will all talk about this thing over here that will never happen( But is a very obvious concern for all of us) but people will play like it is occurring, then we carry-on to the next event.

I don't understand the ins and out of the regs, why can't it happen? I thought that Reagan tried to pass similar regs but decided to back off even though the SC said it was permissible

[picksthemusic]

Handmaid's Tale, here we come.

[Velar Fricative]

Whoa, PP just removed Dr. Leana Wen from her post per NYT alert.

[loira]

elleblue, huge hugs.

[msmerymac]

Jul 16, 2019 15:18:16 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Whoa, PP just removed Dr. Leana Wen from her post per NYT alert.

What?!

[msmerymac]

Jul 16, 2019 15:14:51 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Jul 16, 2019 15:01:08 GMT -5 aliciabella said:

Nah. But it is close. He is getting fucking heat about his racist comments. What can upstand that? Abortion of course. This was intentional, like I have been saying for years It is misdirection and I can guarantee he will back out this shit then the news will just sash-sa to the next event.

For legal clarification: he cannot do what he proposed. So we will all talk about this thing over here that will never happen( But is a very obvious concern for all of us) but people will play like it is occurring, then we carry-on to the next event.

I don't understand the ins and out of the regs, why can't it happen? I thought that Reagan tried to pass similar regs but decided to back off even though the SC said it was permissible

Do you have a source for when SCOTUS said it would be allowed? I imagine this will be tied up in court for a long while. I thought previous decisions had focused on things that weren't quite as extreme as this - which is that no clinic accepting federal funds (medicaid) can refer ANYONE, not just medicaid patients, for an abortion. 

[seeyalater52]

Poof

[seeyalater52]

Jul 16, 2019 15:14:51 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Jul 16, 2019 15:01:08 GMT -5 aliciabella said:

Nah. But it is close. He is getting fucking heat about his racist comments. What can upstand that? Abortion of course. This was intentional, like I have been saying for years It is misdirection and I can guarantee he will back out this shit then the news will just sash-sa to the next event.

For legal clarification: he cannot do what he proposed. So we will all talk about this thing over here that will never happen( But is a very obvious concern for all of us) but people will play like it is occurring, then we carry-on to the next event.

I don't understand the ins and out of the regs, why can't it happen? I thought that Reagan tried to pass similar regs but decided to back off even though the SC said it was permissible

I mean, it will be hung up in litigation for a good long while I'm sure, but the heavy-hitters who are experts in this space (National Women's Law Center) and similar, unequivocally do NOT share aliciabella's view on this. We have been in dialogue with them for months about this forthcoming reg and they are extremely concerned. 

[NewOrleans]

Jul 16, 2019 15:18:16 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Whoa, PP just removed Dr. Leana Wen from her post per NYT alert.

She tweeted earlier today about it. She is stepping down over philosophical,differences about the future of PP.  

[msmerymac]

Jul 16, 2019 15:31:56 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Jul 16, 2019 15:18:16 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Whoa, PP just removed Dr. Leana Wen from her post per NYT alert.

She tweeted earlier today about it. She is stepping down over philosophical,differences about the future of PP.  

BUT she said that the board met in secret to remove her, even though they were already discussing the terms and circumstances of her resignation with her. I'm guessing today's announcement by the Trump admin. was the last straw for the board. 

But it does make me curious. Trump was already president when she was hired, so if they wanted someone with a more politically-oriented philosophy, that seems like a misfire on their part. 

[NewOrleans]

Jul 16, 2019 15:35:31 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

Jul 16, 2019 15:31:56 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

She tweeted earlier today about it. She is stepping down over philosophical,differences about the future of PP.  

BUT she said that the board met in secret to remove her, even though they were already discussing the terms and circumstances of her resignation with her. I'm guessing today's announcement by the Trump admin. was the last straw for the board. 

But it does make me curious. Trump was already president when she was hired, so if they wanted someone with a more politically-oriented philosophy, that seems like a misfire on their part. 

Her statement talked about finding common ground and abortion not being a political issue, so I might be ok with them doing that! 

[thebulldog]

Blessed be the fruit.

[aliciabella]

Jul 16, 2019 15:14:51 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Jul 16, 2019 15:01:08 GMT -5 aliciabella said:

Nah. But it is close. He is getting fucking heat about his racist comments. What can upstand that? Abortion of course. This was intentional, like I have been saying for years It is misdirection and I can guarantee he will back out this shit then the news will just sash-sa to the next event.

For legal clarification: he cannot do what he proposed. So we will all talk about this thing over here that will never happen( But is a very obvious concern for all of us) but people will play like it is occurring, then we carry-on to the next event.

I don't understand the ins and out of the regs, why can't it happen? I thought that Reagan tried to pass similar regs but decided to back off even though the SC said it was permissible

Because the executive branch cannot overrule the Judicial branch.

[aliciabella]

Jul 16, 2019 15:54:49 GMT -5 thebulldog said:

Blessed be the fruit.

So creepy,yet so appropriate.

[aliciabella]

Jul 16, 2019 15:25:58 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Jul 16, 2019 15:14:51 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

I don't understand the ins and out of the regs, why can't it happen? I thought that Reagan tried to pass similar regs but decided to back off even though the SC said it was permissible

I mean, it will be hung up in litigation for a good long while I'm sure, but the heavy-hitters who are experts in this space (National Women's Law Center) and similar, unequivocally do NOT share aliciabella's view on this. We have been in dialogue with them for months about this forthcoming reg and they are extremely concerned. 

I don't deny that there are court proceedings occuring behind the scenes. I am involved with them ( you do know who I work for?) But, the issue with this topic has always been here. It isn't new but Trump is clearly trying to take the heat off him. It is the same shit. The focus he wants on abortion right now has everything to do with deflecting of his shit. The media will now eat up allll this abortion shit that we have been fighting behind the scenes for awhile. This is real but also a real distraction.



I still hold my ground that Trump cannot make an executive order to overturn parts or all of Wade.

[seeyalater52]

Jul 16, 2019 16:13:20 GMT -5 aliciabella said:

Jul 16, 2019 15:25:58 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

I mean, it will be hung up in litigation for a good long while I'm sure, but the heavy-hitters who are experts in this space (National Women's Law Center) and similar, unequivocally do NOT share aliciabella's view on this. We have been in dialogue with them for months about this forthcoming reg and they are extremely concerned. 

I don't deny that there are court proceedings occuring behind the scenes. I am involved with them ( you do know who I work for?) But, the issue with this topic has always been here. It isn't new but Trump is clearly trying to take the heat off him. It is the same shit. The focus he wants on abortion right now has everything to do with deflecting of his shit. The media will now eat up allll this abortion shit that we have been fighting behind the scenes for awhile. This is real but also a real distraction.

I have no idea who you work for? Of course this isn’t new, we have been working on it for years and certainly the months leading up to this announcement because it was anticipated. I dont deny at all that this is both a real issue and also a distraction but most legal experts in this field appear to disagree with your assertion that there is no chance this will come to fruition because it is illegal which was the point of my post.

[aliciabella]

Jul 16, 2019 16:27:35 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Jul 16, 2019 16:13:20 GMT -5 aliciabella said:

I don't deny that there are court proceedings occuring behind the scenes. I am involved with them ( you do know who I work for?) But, the issue with this topic has always been here. It isn't new but Trump is clearly trying to take the heat off him. It is the same shit. The focus he wants on abortion right now has everything to do with deflecting of his shit. The media will now eat up allll this abortion shit that we have been fighting behind the scenes for awhile. This is real but also a real distraction.

I have no idea who you work for? Of course this isn’t new, we have been working on it for years and certainly the months leading up to this announcement because it was anticipated. I dont deny at all that this is both a real issue and also a distraction but most legal experts in this field appear to disagree with your assertion that there is no chance this will come to fruition because it is illegal which was the point of my post.

Please do not misunderstand me as questioning you. I want you to question me We both have alot of knowledge on the issue but my point is that Trump is the master of deflection and don't you find it interesting that he has posted and signed this shit now?

[seeyalater52]

Jul 16, 2019 16:35:46 GMT -5 aliciabella said:

Jul 16, 2019 16:27:35 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

I have no idea who you work for? Of course this isn’t new, we have been working on it for years and certainly the months leading up to this announcement because it was anticipated. I dont deny at all that this is both a real issue and also a distraction but most legal experts in this field appear to disagree with your assertion that there is no chance this will come to fruition because it is illegal which was the point of my post.

Please do not misunderstand me as questioning you. I want you to question me We both have alot of knowledge on the issue but my point is that Trump is the master of deflection and don't you find it interesting that he has posted and signed this shit now?

I certianly didn’t say anything to the contrary.