El Paso Suspect's Manifesto Echoes Trump's Language

[CheeringCharm]

At campaign rallies before last year’s midterm elections, President Trump repeatedly warned that America was under attack by immigrants heading for the border. “You look at what is marching up, that is an invasion!” he declared at one rally. “That is an invasion!”



Nine months later, a 21-year-old white man is accused of opening fire in a Walmart in El Paso, killing 20 people and injuring dozens more after writing a manifesto railing against immigration and announcing that “this attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas.”



The suspect wrote that his views “predate Trump,” as if anticipating the political debate that would follow the blood bath. But if Mr. Trump did not originally inspire the gunman, he has brought into the mainstream polarizing ideas and people once consigned to the fringes of American society.

While other leaders have expressed concern about border security and the costs of illegal immigration, Mr. Trump has filled his public speeches and Twitter feed with sometimes false, fear-stoking language even as he welcomed to the White House a corps of hard-liners, demonizers and conspiracy theorists shunned by past presidents of both parties. Because of this, Mr. Trump is ill equipped to provide the kind of unifying, healing force that other presidents projected in times of national tragedy.





www.nytimes.com/2019/08/04/us/politics/trump-mass-shootings.html

[CheeringCharm]

In televised remarks on Sunday afternoon before boarding Air Force One to return to Washington from his New Jersey home, Mr. Trump praised the performance of law enforcement officers and offered condolences to the victims and their families in El Paso as well as in Dayton, Ohio, where an unrelated mass shooting occurred early Sunday morning.

“Hate has no place in our country, and we’re going to take care of it,” the president said, declining to elaborate but promising to speak more on Monday morning. He made no mention of white supremacy or the El Paso manifesto, but instead focused on what he called “a mental illness problem.”

Course he didn't because then he'd have to take some responsibility for his own words. Shame on Republicans for not calling him out.

[winecat]

Mother Fucker is going to have a press conference any minute. Fuck him.

[isabel]

Listening to NPR this morning, in one of his rallies, he apparently made a comment like "how do we stop them from coming here?" and someone in the audience shouted "shoot them." He laughed it off. Apparently he's catching a lot of criticism for that. I don't really understand how that moment is any different than allllll the other times he has said inflammatory, racist things or laughed off others who do it.

[spindle92]

Aug 5, 2019 9:01:37 GMT -5 winecat said:

Mother Fucker is going to have a press conference any minute. Fuck him.

I absolutely hate that we have to see his smarmy face after this.   asshole

[winecat]

Aug 5, 2019 9:06:14 GMT -5 spindle92 said:

Aug 5, 2019 9:01:37 GMT -5 winecat said:

Mother Fucker is going to have a press conference any minute. Fuck him.

I absolutely hate that we have to see his smarmy face after this.   asshole

He got the city wrong!  He said Toledo, not Dayton.  God- I hate him.  

[isabel]

Aug 5, 2019 9:19:48 GMT -5 winecat said:

Aug 5, 2019 9:06:14 GMT -5 spindle92 said:

I absolutely hate that we have to see his smarmy face after this.   asshole

He got the city wrong!  He said Toledo, not Dayton.  God- I hate him.  

I honestly cannot understand how you fuck that up. 

[scout8]

Aug 5, 2019 9:33:30 GMT -5 isabel said:

Aug 5, 2019 9:19:48 GMT -5 winecat said:

He got the city wrong!  He said Toledo, not Dayton.  God- I hate him.  

I honestly cannot understand how you fuck that up. 

He doesn't care enough to pay attention to the name of the city. How fucked up is that? 

[2curlydogs]

Remember back in the day when republicans mocked Obama for crying after Sandy Hook?

They showed us who they were 8 years ago. None of this is shocking.

[Deleted]

Biden also said the wrong places. He said Houston and Michigan before correcting himself. 😕

[isabel]

Aug 5, 2019 10:03:00 GMT -5 @bugginnine said:

Biden also said the wrong places. He said Houston and Michigan before correcting himself. 😕

I just... how!? How do you fuck that up? It's literally all I've seen, read, and heard about in the last 24 hours. It would literally be impossible for me to forget the names of the cities.

[ESF]

Guys, it's not just Trump's language.

This is the language of white people. This is the facebook feed of Uncle Jim and literally everyone else you know who mainlines Fox News.

Can you honestly say right now that you don't personally know anyone that is capable of gunning down a bunch of immigrants? Three days ago, when I thought these people were vile, I'd have said they were vile but not capable of a mass murder. Now I'm not so sure.

[jmc325]

Who knows if it's true or not, but I saw an article earlier saying Trump's people are going back and deleting all of his old tweets where he says immigrants are "invading" since the shooter used the same terminology in his manifesto.

[NitaX]

Aug 5, 2019 10:09:40 GMT -5 ESF said:

Guys, it's not just Trump's language.

This is the language of white people. This is the facebook feed of Uncle Jim and literally everyone else you know who mainlines Fox News.

Can you honestly say right now that you don't personally know anyone that is capable of gunning down a bunch of immigrants? Three days ago, when I thought these people were vile, I'd have said they were vile but not capable of a mass murder. Now I'm not so sure.

Say it again for the Cheap Seats!

[jln]

Aug 5, 2019 10:16:51 GMT -5 jmc325 said:

Who knows if it's true or not, but I saw an article earlier saying Trump's people are going back and deleting all of his old tweets where he says immigrants are "invading" since the shooter used the same terminology in his manifesto.

I I thought his old tweets were permanent record while he's the sitting potus and not subject to deletion?

[NitaX]

What cracks me up about the "invading language" is that EUROPEANS STOLE THIS LAND AND COMMITTED GENOCIDE in doing so. How you get to claim somebody is invading anything?

[isabel]

Aug 5, 2019 11:38:10 GMT -5 jln said:

Aug 5, 2019 10:16:51 GMT -5 jmc325 said:

Who knows if it's true or not, but I saw an article earlier saying Trump's people are going back and deleting all of his old tweets where he says immigrants are "invading" since the shooter used the same terminology in his manifesto.

I I thought his old tweets were permanent record while he's the sitting potus and not subject to deletion?

Since when has he been subject to rule and law?

[jmc325]

Aug 5, 2019 11:41:39 GMT -5 isabel said:

Aug 5, 2019 11:38:10 GMT -5 jln said:

I I thought his old tweets were permanent record while he's the sitting potus and not subject to deletion?

Since when has he been subject to rule and law?

Touché

I can't find the article, so again, I'm not sure the validity of it.

[pixy0stix]

Aug 5, 2019 11:38:10 GMT -5 jln said:

Aug 5, 2019 10:16:51 GMT -5 jmc325 said:

Who knows if it's true or not, but I saw an article earlier saying Trump's people are going back and deleting all of his old tweets where he says immigrants are "invading" since the shooter used the same terminology in his manifesto.

I I thought his old tweets were permanent record while he's the sitting potus and not subject to deletion?

Correct. He gives no shits and deletes them anyway, because what are they going to do with him?

[debatethis]

Brandon Friedman went line by line through the manifesto and showed the repeated language from what the shooter wrote, copying Trump/Tucker Carlson et al:

It's an embedded tweet, sorry, but if you can't see it, it's worth a click.

[NitaX]

What I would love to see is a much larger discussion about repercussions for 45's speech. I'd like to see if any additional manifestos have the same parallel's to 45's rhetoric. Which, I'm positive the answer is YES, but still, to have it mapped out and then used as a cause in an incitement case would be the highlight of my day.

[jordancatalano4ever]

Aug 5, 2019 10:09:40 GMT -5 ESF said:

Guys, it's not just Trump's language.

This is the language of white people. This is the facebook feed of Uncle Jim and literally everyone else you know who mainlines Fox News.

Can you honestly say right now that you don't personally know anyone that is capable of gunning down a bunch of immigrants? Three days ago, when I thought these people were vile, I'd have said they were vile but not capable of a mass murder. Now I'm not so sure.

This. This. This. I live in Texas and the sheer amount of vehicles/people with emblems/stickers/whatever with assault rifles/weapons and language that is tantamount to declaring their belief in their right to murder is overwhelming. The amount of blue-line flags and frankly confederate flags that i see on the regular demonstrates that this is without a doubt an issue of white supremacy. And the problem lies with the white people who refuse to call this shit out because “they just don’t to engage or deal with it”. Instead they just stop talking to them as though that is at all helpful.