Have we talked about the 1619 project?

[Jalapeñomel]

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html


If this has been discussed, I’d love the link.

[isabel]

I don't think we did. I read the full article. It was fantastic.

[pitta12]

I am trying to get a print copy to read. The NYT store is selling it for $6 but they’re out of stock. There’s also a podcast.

podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/1619/id1476928106

[erbear]

I need to spend some time figuring out how to use this in my class this year. Thanks for sharing!

[erbear]

Aug 23, 2019 1:00:27 GMT -5 virginiaham said:

Aug 22, 2019 22:04:19 GMT -5 erbear said:

I need to spend some time figuring out how to use this in my class this year. Thanks for sharing!

pulitzercenter.org/lesson-plan-grouping/1619-project-curriculum?fbclid=IwAR3Kp6O6yoVygGvRNhMgdlKElCbCBfagWLHdJv-y7gD5Tcff2O0fcy1x_Ok

Thank you! That's awesome. I know what I'm doing Monday

[sugarbear]

Yes!! Reframing my SS curriculum this year and planning to fit this in.

[Jalapeñomel]

If only we can start teaching this history as the true American history in the classroom...hopefully one day this is how our children will be taught.

[Pibs]

That's super cool -- I can't wait to dive into it more. Has anyone found how many podcasts there will be or how often they come out? I just saw a trailer and one episode but I'm at work so I can't listen to find out.

[centralsquare]

It tipped me back into being a subscriber.

BEGRUDGINGLY, because everything else is crap.

[cattledogkisses]

Related:

The 1619 anniversary: 5 things people still get wrong about slavery

Yet centuries later, the lasting impact of slavery continues to be minimized and myths continue to flourish. For instance, there’s the erasure of the many slave revolts and rebellions that happened throughout the nation, perpetuating the lie that the enslaved were docile or satisfied with their conditions. There’s also the persistent idea that black labor exploitation is over, when mass incarceration still keeps millions of black Americans behind bars and often working for “wages” that amount to less than $1 an hour. Then there’s the idea that our understanding of slavery is accurate based on what we learned in history textbooks, when in reality, misinformation continues to be taught in our public schools about slavery’s legacy.

www.vox.com/identities/2019/8/22/20812883/1619-slavery-project-anniversary

I remember being taught in high school that the Civil War was about states' rights and economic differences between the North and the South, and that slavery was just an incidental issue.

[W.T.Faulkner]

We're adding it to our US History curriculum.

[katieinthecity]

I ordered I couple copies so DH and I could read it together. The first episode of the podcast was riveting.

[itsme]

As of this weekend there was one episode on the Podcast. It was so good! I happened upon it randomly and was intrigued. I'm looking forward to more. It also opened up a dialogue between my 7 year old and I.

[NitaX]

Bumping as a reminder for people to read or listen to the podcast.

[CrazyLucky]

I've listened to the first two parts of the podcast. It's really interesting and sickening. Today I learned that the value of enslaved people was greater than the value of all the factories and railroads in the country in 1860.

[ESF]

Thanks for the bump! I need to collect some podcasts for my cross country drive in a few weeks, and this is perfect.

[NitaX]

Sept 3, 2019 12:57:06 GMT -5 CrazyLucky said:

I've listened to the first two parts of the podcast. It's really interesting and sickening. Today I learned that the value of enslaved people was greater than the value of all the factories and railroads in the country in 1860.

What else is crazy is that I recall a Henry Louis Gates special that slavery basically helped establish the insurance industry in America.

[CrazyLucky]

Sept 3, 2019 16:00:33 GMT -5 NitaX said:

Sept 3, 2019 12:57:06 GMT -5 CrazyLucky said:

I've listened to the first two parts of the podcast. It's really interesting and sickening. Today I learned that the value of enslaved people was greater than the value of all the factories and railroads in the country in 1860.

What else is crazy is that I recall a Henry Louis Gates special that slavery basically helped establish the insurance industry in America.

And mortgages!  If people needed to borrow money, they put up their enslaved workers as collateral, not their house.  
And the part about how when the price of cotton went up, the enslaved people were beaten more... there are so many heartbreaking details that I never would have thought of.  It's a well done series so far.  I don't know how many they are doing.

[aurora]

I just listened to the first two episodes of the podcast last night. Very well done!

ETA and no paywall

[susquehanna]

Regarding Nikole Hannah-Jones, the New York Times journalist:

If you can't satisfy your podcast craving with the 1619 podcast episodes that have been released so far, you might want to check out the podcast "Uncivil" by Gimlet Media. Specifically, on the episode titled "The Takedown" dated October 18, 2017, the Uncivil hosts interviewed a panel that consisted of Hannah-Jones, Al Letson of Reveal, and Christy Coleman of the American Civil War Museum. 

Here's a link to that specific episode on the Uncivil website. 

[susquehanna]

Sept 5, 2019 18:48:06 GMT -5 susquehanna said:

Regarding Nikole Hannah-Jones, the New York Times journalist:

If you can't satisfy your podcast craving with the 1619 podcast episodes that have been released so far, you might want to check out the podcast "Uncivil" by Gimlet Media. Specifically, on the episode titled "The Takedown" dated October 18, 2017, the Uncivil hosts interviewed a panel that consisted of Hannah-Jones, Al Letson of Reveal, and Christy Coleman of the American Civil War Museum. 

Here's a link to that specific episode on the Uncivil website. 

I just wanted to add: If you enjoyed the podcast episodes for 1619 and for Uncivil, here are 2 more podcast episodes that you might enjoy:


Monumental Lies, an episode from the podcast Reveal by the Center for Investigative Reporting and PRX

The Great Dismal Swamp, an episode from the podcast 99% Invisible. 

[anodyne]

Sept 5, 2019 19:03:47 GMT -5 susquehanna said:

Sept 5, 2019 18:48:06 GMT -5 susquehanna said:

Regarding Nikole Hannah-Jones, the New York Times journalist:

If you can't satisfy your podcast craving with the 1619 podcast episodes that have been released so far, you might want to check out the podcast "Uncivil" by Gimlet Media. Specifically, on the episode titled "The Takedown" dated October 18, 2017, the Uncivil hosts interviewed a panel that consisted of Hannah-Jones, Al Letson of Reveal, and Christy Coleman of the American Civil War Museum. 

Here's a link to that specific episode on the Uncivil website. 

I just wanted to add: If you enjoyed the podcast episodes for 1619 and for Uncivil, here are 2 more podcast episodes that you might enjoy:


Monumental Lies, an episode from the podcast Reveal by the Center for Investigative Reporting and PRX

The Great Dismal Swamp, an episode from the podcast 99% Invisible. 

 Uncivil and The Great Dismal Swamp were great.  I'll have to check out the Reveal episode.

I am listening to 1619 and it is really well done.  I don't feel that I have made it far enough to have a good conversation about it yet.  I hope this post keeps getting bumped.

[Bernadine]

So glad this is a podcast, as I don't have a lot of time for reading lately. I just subscribed.

[mrshandy]

Sept 5, 2019 18:48:06 GMT -5 susquehanna said:

Regarding Nikole Hannah-Jones, the New York Times journalist:

If you can't satisfy your podcast craving with the 1619 podcast episodes that have been released so far, you might want to check out the podcast "Uncivil" by Gimlet Media. Specifically, on the episode titled "The Takedown" dated October 18, 2017, the Uncivil hosts interviewed a panel that consisted of Hannah-Jones, Al Letson of Reveal, and Christy Coleman of the American Civil War Museum. 

Here's a link to that specific episode on the Uncivil website. 

She also did an amazing episode on school busing on This American Life. 


www.thisamericanlife.org/562/the-problem-we-all-live-with-part-one

Highly recommend, just have a box of kleenex handy. 

[Michelle]

I just popped over to post about this project, having missed the original post.

***trigger warning***

When researching disparities in health care as part of my D&I programming at work, i came across this part of the project: www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/racial-differences-doctors.html 

I will need to go back and listen to the full podcast. But sharing here that the sub-links within the article linked above are helpful examples of prevailing practice issues today that are based on myths, stereotypes, and misinformation, if not downright intentional discrimination.

[terpsfan]

Thank you for all of these podcast suggestions. I have listened to them all and it’s extremely timely for me as our county is erupting in mass debate around redestricting based on equity

[itsme]

Sept 5, 2019 18:48:06 GMT -5 susquehanna said:

Regarding Nikole Hannah-Jones, the New York Times journalist:

If you can't satisfy your podcast craving with the 1619 podcast episodes that have been released so far, you might want to check out the podcast "Uncivil" by Gimlet Media. Specifically, on the episode titled "The Takedown" dated October 18, 2017, the Uncivil hosts interviewed a panel that consisted of Hannah-Jones, Al Letson of Reveal, and Christy Coleman of the American Civil War Museum. 

Here's a link to that specific episode on the Uncivil website. 

I binged the crap out of Uncivil yesterday and will probably finish the remaining episodes today.  Thank you for the rec!

[anodyne]

I have about 15 mins left of episode 4. I have learned the most from this episode so far. I was unaware of the AMAs stance to previous pushes toward universal healthcare let alone desegregated health care.

[susquehanna]

So, the Atlantic posted a story yesterday about the 1619 Project. 

Here's an excerpt: 


The reaction to the project was not universally enthusiastic. Several weeks ago, the Princeton historian Sean Wilentz, who had criticized the 1619 Project’s “cynicism” in a lecture in November, began quietly circulating a letter objecting to the project, and some of Hannah-Jones’s work in particular. The letter acquired four signatories—James McPherson, Gordon Wood, Victoria Bynum, and James Oakes, all leading scholars in their field. They sent their letter to three top Times editors and the publisher, A. G. Sulzberger, on December 4. A version of that letter was published on Friday, along with a detailed rebuttal from Jake Silverstein, the editor of the Times Magazine.

The letter sent to the Times says, “We applaud all efforts to address the foundational centrality of slavery and racism to our history,” but then veers into harsh criticism of the 1619 Project. The letter refers to “matters of verifiable fact” that “cannot be described as interpretation or ‘framing’” and says the project reflected “a displacement of historical understanding by ideology.” Wilentz and his fellow signatories didn’t just dispute the Times Magazine’s interpretation of past events, but demanded corrections.


The Fight Over the 1619 Project Is Not About the Facts by Adam Serwer

[ribollita]

Dec 24, 2019 15:12:21 GMT -5 susquehanna said:

So, the Atlantic posted a story yesterday about the 1619 Project. 

Here's an excerpt: 


The reaction to the project was not universally enthusiastic. Several weeks ago, the Princeton historian Sean Wilentz, who had criticized the 1619 Project’s “cynicism” in a lecture in November, began quietly circulating a letter objecting to the project, and some of Hannah-Jones’s work in particular. The letter acquired four signatories—James McPherson, Gordon Wood, Victoria Bynum, and James Oakes, all leading scholars in their field. They sent their letter to three top Times editors and the publisher, A. G. Sulzberger, on December 4. A version of that letter was published on Friday, along with a detailed rebuttal from Jake Silverstein, the editor of the Times Magazine.

The letter sent to the Times says, “We applaud all efforts to address the foundational centrality of slavery and racism to our history,” but then veers into harsh criticism of the 1619 Project. The letter refers to “matters of verifiable fact” that “cannot be described as interpretation or ‘framing’” and says the project reflected “a displacement of historical understanding by ideology.” Wilentz and his fellow signatories didn’t just dispute the Times Magazine’s interpretation of past events, but demanded corrections.


The Fight Over the 1619 Project Is Not About the Facts by Adam Serwer

I read this, and WTF. I find the letter writers’ approach gross. If they wanted to actually address the few over statements or potential inaccuracies they should and could have approached it in another way.