WWYD - Work

[nospaekae]

I'm getting a little ahead of myself here but I'm awaiting a final offer for a new position. HR noted that they hoped to have the process by the end of this week. I am off all next week through the new year returning Jan 2nd. Assuming all is set by Friday, when would you give notice? I really don't want to have to give up my holiday time off. Would you hold off and give notice on Jan 2nd with last day Jan 16th? Or would you give notice right away and work through Jan 3rd just to be done?

eta: wrong board but I'll take any advice you have as well

[jeaniebueller]

Why would you have to give up your holiday time? I would talk to your HR (if you get the offer) and find out because at my employer, as long as you work your last day, you get your holiday pay. So if you worked on Jan 2, you would make that your last day of work.

[BlondeSpiders]

I would absolutely wait. When HR says "they hope," that's the truth. (I work in HR) there's no guarantee it will actually happen by Friday, so wait until you have signed the offer letter. It always seems to take at least one more week than you think, and especially with so many folks out on leave in the next 2 weeks.

Enjoy your holiday time off!

[nospaekae]

Dec 18, 2019 13:12:50 GMT -5 BlondeSpiders said:

I would absolutely wait. When HR says "they hope," that's the truth. (I work in HR) there's no guarantee it will actually happen by Friday, so wait until you have signed the offer letter. It always seems to take at least one more week than you think, and especially with so many folks out on leave in the next 2 weeks.

Enjoy your holiday time off!

Yes, I will not put in notice until I have signed a final offer. I was just asking if that is complete by Friday if I should give notice on Friday or wait until I come back from PTO.

[nospaekae]

Dec 18, 2019 13:11:46 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Why would you have to give up your holiday time? I would talk to your HR (if you get the offer) and find out because at my employer, as long as you work your last day, you get your holiday pay. So if you worked on Jan 2, you would make that your last day of work.

Good to know, thank you. My company is only closed 12/24-22/25 and 12/31-1/1. I'm taking the other days as PTO. I assumed they would require me to work those days rather than use PTO.

[aurora]

I have no idea of your field or how specialized it's your specific role, but I'm also not sure why you would have to give up your vacation if you gave notice now.

In some companies, if they've already approved your vacation they might appreciate a compromise like 3 weeks notice starting this Friday where you come back the first week in January to transfer your responsibilities when others are also back in the office. In others you'll get your vacation pay in your last paycheck if you don't use it. In others they'll escort you out the door the day you give notice.

[lemoncupcake]

Dec 18, 2019 13:19:57 GMT -5 nospaekae said:

Dec 18, 2019 13:11:46 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Why would you have to give up your holiday time? I would talk to your HR (if you get the offer) and find out because at my employer, as long as you work your last day, you get your holiday pay. So if you worked on Jan 2, you would make that your last day of work.

Good to know, thank you. My company is only closed 12/24-22/25 and 12/31-1/1. I'm taking the other days as PTO. I assumed they would require me to work those days rather than use PTO.

It’s a good idea to work your two weeks notice rather than having it include a long vacation - but instead you can give 3-4 weeks notice if you think they’ll take it well and appreciate the heads up.

The main point will be what the new company is willing to accept as a start date.

[DefenseAgainstTheDarkArts22]

I'd tell the new company that you need to be able to give 2 weeks in order to fully transition everything. Since the company is out you can start on X date. Then give notice once you return.

It wouldn't be unheard of for a company to accept notice immediately and not pay any remaining time/holiday pay and frankly, if someone were to give 2 weeks notice so they were done at the EOY and we had 2 weeks of really nothing going on I'd let the leave immediately.

Personally, I always advise friends to give notice once any required background/drug screens comes back fine. You may have nothing that is concerning but it has happened where something on someone with the same name, alternate birthday, came back and it took awhile to clear.

If you do choose to give notice Friday, and they accept immediately, depending on state, you may be eligible for unemployment.

[ChillyMcFreeze]

Both to protect your holiday time and out of respect for your current workplace, I would give your 2 weeks when you come back in January so you can actually work the transition during that time. I wouldn't think your current job will be able to post and hire over the holiday, so 2 weeks notice at this point is moot for their interests. As long as your new employer is good with a mid-January start date, I think that's the best option.

[goldengirlz]

Dec 18, 2019 13:29:49 GMT -5 DefenseAgainstTheDarkArts22 said:

I'd tell the new company that you need to be able to give 2 weeks in order to fully transition everything. Since the company is out you can start on X date. Then give notice once you return.

It wouldn't be unheard of for a company to accept notice immediately and not pay any remaining time/holiday pay and frankly, if someone were to give 2 weeks notice so they were done at the EOY and we had 2 weeks of really nothing going on I'd let the leave immediately.

Personally, I always advise friends to give notice once any required background/drug screens comes back fine. You may have nothing that is concerning but it has happened where something on someone with the same name, alternate birthday, came back and it took awhile to clear.

If you do choose to give notice Friday, and they accept immediately, depending on state, you may be eligible for unemployment.

This will be state specific but that scenario would be illegal in my state. Companies here are required to pay out accrued vacation, so it would be a wash if someone stayed on through PTO vs. immediately dismissing them.

[nospaekae]

Thanks all for your thoughts. I think I will wait until after the holidays (assuming I have the final offer by then) to give notice. I'm confident that they will not let me go immediately and this way i can focus on a proper transition.

[isabel]

Personally, I'd give notice in January and start on the 16th. You'll obviously have to confirm this is ok with the new company though. One, I wouldn't want to be dismissed immediately and risk some sort of loss of vacation time, and two, I don't think it's right to leave immediately after a long holiday. I'd want to do a proper transition. There's no way I would give up my time off and work when I was already planning to be off.

[LoveTrains]

I had an employee quit yesterday. She has off 12/23 - 1/1 already arranged. Her last day is 1/3. Do this means she only had today, tomorrow (half of which is s party), Friday and then the 2ns and 3rd. So it’s like five days notice. It is what it is.

[msmerymac]

TBH, I think people place way too much stock in transition periods. For a lot of positions, it's to wrap up loose ends, assign projects that are in progress to other people, and sign your HR paperwork. It just so happens that 2 weeks has become a universal courtesy, but they're not going to hire your replacement in 2 weeks (most likely) or get a ton of productive work out of you in that time.