So a question about the caucus - if you work second shift (like, say a nurse that has to work 7 pm- 7 am, or evening janitor that starts at 5 or 6 pm), do you get to caucus somehow? Or are you just out of luck because your job doesn’t fit the hours you’re supposed to report to the local gymnasium?
Yes, that is what it looks like. I am surprised honestly. I think it also is a nod to how exhausting this caucus process has been. I think despite passion, it still turned people away. That is terrible for voter engagement.
Is it always on a goddamn Monday night? Becuse lord I’m hard pressed to do anything but sleep at 9pm on a Monday.
It took everything inside of me to go out and do it. And I am a political geek. Anyone who is just normal level engaged was probably like...nope lol.
So a question about the caucus - if you work second shift (like, say a nurse that has to work 7 pm- 7 am, or evening janitor that starts at 5 or 6 pm), do you get to caucus somehow? Or are you just out of luck because your job doesn’t fit the hours you’re supposed to report to the local gymnasium?
You’re out of luck. It’s such a bullshit system that only allows those for whom the stars align perfectly to participate.
So a question about the caucus - if you work second shift (like, say a nurse that has to work 7 pm- 7 am, or evening janitor that starts at 5 or 6 pm), do you get to caucus somehow? Or are you just out of luck because your job doesn’t fit the hours you’re supposed to report to the local gymnasium?
Mostly out of luck. There were some virtual caucuses held during the day, but that was for a small number of voters. Mostly it just disenfranchises people.
So a question about the caucus - if you work second shift (like, say a nurse that has to work 7 pm- 7 am, or evening janitor that starts at 5 or 6 pm), do you get to caucus somehow? Or are you just out of luck because your job doesn’t fit the hours you’re supposed to report to the local gymnasium?
The latter.
I was thinking about this last night. So service industry people, policemen, fireman, doctors, people that work at gas stations, grocery stores, late shift workers etc can't vote?
Ugh...I don't get why anybody ever thought this would be a good idea? I would also hate the idea of advertising my vote to everyone as well.
I was thinking about this last night. So service industry people, policemen, fireman, doctors, people that work at gas stations, grocery stores, late shift workers etc can't vote?
Ugh...I don't get why anybody ever thought this would be a good idea? I would also hate the idea of advertising my vote to everyone as well.
This is why it kills me that Bernie’s camp has spent the past 4 years criticizing the superdelegate practices of the DNC but hasn’t said a peep about caucuses. It specifically disenfranchises low wage workers. Isn’t that the whole POINT (purportedly) of his campaign?
Post by Velar Fricative on Feb 4, 2020 8:47:30 GMT -5
It is pretty interesting re: turnout. I won’t panic unless we see similar patterns in states with actual primaries. We shouldn’t be on par with 2016, not after three years of horribleness. We should be obliterating those numbers. We should be mad as hell!
Now that I think about it more I wonder if the solid blue states will actually see increased turnout while swing-ish states see similar to 2016 in the primary season. That would just expose our pretty stark divide between red and blue even more.
Yes, that is what it looks like. I am surprised honestly. I think it also is a nod to how exhausting this caucus process has been. I think despite passion, it still turned people away. That is terrible for voter engagement.
Is it always on a goddamn Monday night? Becuse lord I’m hard pressed to do anything but sleep at 9pm on a Monday.
I went to bed at 8:30 last night and didn’t hear a word about this shit until this morning and I’m not sorry about it.
Thank God Colorado got it’s act together and moved to a legitimate primary process. This caucus shit is so fucking stupid.
Post by Ashley&Scott on Feb 4, 2020 9:04:24 GMT -5
I'm in Iowa, Pete won our surban precinct. I thought the turnout was pretty good, we had 250 caucusing at our location. Pete also won in the tiny rural town where my uncle caucused. I haven't heard any other results.
Didn’t Bernie ask for all these caucus changes for “transparency” that is causing all this trouble because he was mad he didn’t beat HRC in Iowa 4 years ago?
I was thinking about this last night. So service industry people, policemen, fireman, doctors, people that work at gas stations, grocery stores, late shift workers etc can't vote?
Ugh...I don't get why anybody ever thought this would be a good idea? I would also hate the idea of advertising my vote to everyone as well.
This is why it kills me that Bernie’s camp has spent the past 4 years criticizing the superdelegate practices of the DNC but hasn’t said a peep about caucuses. It specifically disenfranchises low wage workers. Isn’t that the whole POINT (purportedly) of his campaign?
Dear Lord, woman. You’re stirring up feelings from 2016. I feel like I’m going to stroke out all over again.
If I had to name my top issue with Sanders it is this. He is such a goddamn hypocrite railing on about fucking superdelegates while steadfastly ignoring that caucuses are basically *the most* disenfranchising part of all our election practices. God, I hate that shit!
Also Lol that even in this thread people were saying how energized he was making college kids because of Vampire Weekend, etc. But it appears turn out isn’t all that. Yeah because
I’m not willing to put any credence in caucus turnout as a measure of anything. People may be very fired up but the caucus is still entirely inaccessible to them due to work schedules, school schedules, childcare issues, other commitments, etc. It’s nice to pretend that “if it’s important you’ll show up” but we no longer live in a world where life stops at 5:00, and the caucus system basically assumes we do.
Hell, I’m not sure how much credence I’ll put into primary turnout either. Most Democrats I know almost don’t care who wins the primary because they’re voting for whomever the winner is anyway. That could also be my last primary in the country feeling because NJs primary is rarely relevant, so we often have low turnout as a result.
Also because there is nothing of substance to talk about right now, I saw my favorite Iowa Public Radio reporter at our precinct and secretly fangirled. H was like, only you would get excited for a public radio reporter 😆
Man this is just the worst because you know that Trump will take this as evidence that democrats in general suck and can’t get their shit together. If there isn’t a tweet about this already I’m sure it’s coming.
Didn’t Bernie ask for all these caucus changes for “transparency” that is causing all this trouble because he was mad he didn’t beat HRC in Iowa 4 years ago?
Source: me
There is tweet from CBS that confirms this is a mess because Bernie demanded all these new caucus rules about reporting data points and whatnot (probably so he could game the system and claim victory when the caucus has not concluded). I can’t post the tweet. But there you go.
People are giving Pete a lot of shit, but from what I saw he was getting top spots in most of the caucuses they showed on CNN.
Same on MSNBC. He did seem to do quite well and needed a big day like this, but declaring victory right now is still a little ridiculous. But we all knew someone would declare victory prematurely so who placed bets on Mayor Pete???
Didn’t Bernie ask for all these caucus changes for “transparency” that is causing all this trouble because he was mad he didn’t beat HRC in Iowa 4 years ago?
Source: me
There is tweet from CBS that confirms this is a mess because Bernie demanded all these new caucus rules about reporting data points and whatnot (probably so he could game the system and claim victory when the caucus has not concluded). I can’t post the tweet. But there you go.
It is Bernie’s fault.
It’s also in the NYT. Basically, before they only needed to send out state delegate equivalent counts. Now thanks to Bernie, they have to send first ballot numbers, second ballot numbers AND the SDEs. Add in the mystery app and voila, chaos!
Didn’t Bernie ask for all these caucus changes for “transparency” that is causing all this trouble because he was mad he didn’t beat HRC in Iowa 4 years ago?
Source: me
There is tweet from CBS that confirms this is a mess because Bernie demanded all these new caucus rules about reporting data points and whatnot (probably so he could game the system and claim victory when the caucus has not concluded). I can’t post the tweet. But there you go.
There is tweet from CBS that confirms this is a mess because Bernie demanded all these new caucus rules about reporting data points and whatnot (probably so he could game the system and claim victory when the caucus has not concluded). I can’t post the tweet. But there you go.
There is tweet from CBS that confirms this is a mess because Bernie demanded all these new caucus rules about reporting data points and whatnot (probably so he could game the system and claim victory when the caucus has not concluded). I can’t post the tweet. But there you go.
It is Bernie’s fault.
It’s also in the NYT. Basically, before they only needed to send out state delegate equivalent counts. Now thanks to Bernie, they have to send first ballot numbers, second ballot numbers AND the SDEs. Add in the mystery app and voila, chaos!
It’s also in the NYT. Basically, before they only needed to send out state delegate equivalent counts. Now thanks to Bernie, they have to send first ballot numbers, second ballot numbers AND the SDEs. Add in the mystery app and voila, chaos!
Can you share that? TY!!!
I will try but NYT has so many separate articles so I’ll aim to link the right one.