OH Governor DeWine has covid

[Velar Fricative]

www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/gov-dewine-tests-positive-for-covid-19/

Tested ahead of Trump's visit.

[somersault72]

Yes. Cue the anti mask dummies in our state (they're everywhere).

[katfco]

The irony being that he blew off a Covid briefing so he could meet with Trump

[susquehanna]

Aug 6, 2020 12:25:51 GMT -5 katfco said:

The irony being that he blew off a Covid briefing so he could meet with Trump

The thing is, I thought that he was one of the rare Republications who was being kind of "strict" about preventing Covid-19.

Disclaimer: I'm a Democrat in Pennsylvania, and the governor in Pennsylvania is a Democrat. Lots of people in PA are upset at our governor about the policies that he has enacted in PA against Covid. I am under the impression that Ohio wasn't as strict about preventing Covid as Pennsylvania was in some respects. (People from Pennsylvania were driving into Ohio to go to bars and eat at restaurants, etc.) However, I am also under the impression that  a lot of red state voters in Ohio have been unhappy with DeWine for the policies that he has actually enacted in Ohio to fight Covid.

[seeyalater52]

Aug 6, 2020 13:06:13 GMT -5 susquehanna said:

Aug 6, 2020 12:25:51 GMT -5 katfco said:

The irony being that he blew off a Covid briefing so he could meet with Trump

The thing is, I thought that he was one of the rare Republications who was being kind of "strict" about preventing Covid-19.

Disclaimer: I'm a Democrat in Pennsylvania, and the governor in Pennsylvania is a Democrat. Lots of people in PA are upset at our governor about the policies that he has enacted in PA against Covid. I am under the impression that Ohio wasn't as strict about preventing Covid as Pennsylvania was in some respects. (People from Pennsylvania were driving into Ohio to go to bars and eat at restaurants, etc.) However, I am also under the impression that  a lot of red state voters in Ohio have been unhappy with DeWine for the policies that he has actually enacted in Ohio to fight Covid.

Early on he did pretty well but over time he got sucked back toward the party line. 

[katfco]

Aug 6, 2020 13:11:58 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Aug 6, 2020 13:06:13 GMT -5 susquehanna said:

The thing is, I thought that he was one of the rare Republications who was being kind of "strict" about preventing Covid-19.

Disclaimer: I'm a Democrat in Pennsylvania, and the governor in Pennsylvania is a Democrat. Lots of people in PA are upset at our governor about the policies that he has enacted in PA against Covid. I am under the impression that Ohio wasn't as strict about preventing Covid as Pennsylvania was in some respects. (People from Pennsylvania were driving into Ohio to go to bars and eat at restaurants, etc.) However, I am also under the impression that  a lot of red state voters in Ohio have been unhappy with DeWine for the policies that he has actually enacted in Ohio to fight Covid.

Early on he did pretty well but over time he got sucked back toward the party line. 

This. He caved when protesters showed up at the State house with guns. 

[atarianna]

I’ll be the dissenting voice. He is my governor and I’ve been generally very happy with how he has handled everything. He has taken a science centered approach and his reopening plan was somewhat phased and toed the line between health and economy.

He has not criticized Rump, but he also has not followed the party line on anti-Covid/anti-mask/pro-hoax garbage. He has been called a RINO by many angry Trumplicans, which I find incredibly ironic because Rump isn’t a conservative and do feel like DeWine is a legit conservative.

I do wish he would have mandated masks sooner, but have been happy that his approach to Covid. Early on, he blocked the Arnold before anyone was really even paying attention to COVID. There were tens of thousands of participants expected from around the world in early March. He closed schools and I think was the first state to do so. He was early in closing bars, gatherings places etc.

Also early this week he became the second governor to mandate masks in schools that choose to open.

[susquehanna]

Aug 6, 2020 15:16:19 GMT -5 atarianna said:

I’ll be the dissenting voice. He is my governor and I’ve been generally very happy with how he has handled everything. He has taken a science centered approach and his reopening plan was somewhat phased and toed the line between health and economy.

He has not criticized Rump, but he also has not followed the party line on anti-Covid/anti-mask/pro-hoax garbage. He has been called a RINO by many angry Trumplicans, which I find incredibly ironic because Rump isn’t a conservative and do feel like DeWine is a legit conservative.

I do wish he would have mandated masks sooner, but have been happy that his approach to Covid. Early on, he blocked the Arnold before anyone was really even paying attention to COVID. There were tens of thousands of participants expected from around the world in early March. He closed schools and I think was the first state to do so. He was early in closing bars, gatherings places etc.

Also early this week he became the second governor to mandate masks in schools that choose to open.

Thanks for your perspective.

I asked about this because I was confused from watching the Pittsburgh-area news coverage that mentioned Ohio and DeWine. A lot of people in Western Pennsylvania drive into Ohio for work, entertainment, and shopping, so our media outlets give a little bit of media attention to some of the things that are happening in Ohio.

Obviously, most of the coverage was about how Pennsylvania had more restrictions than Ohio did. For instance, the local news covered the story that an Ohio restaurant - as a tongue-in-cheek gesture - named Pennsylvania's governor, Tom Wolf, as that restaurant's Employee of the Week because Wolf's Covid policies resulted in a bunch of people from Pennsylvania to travel over the state line to patronize this restaurant in Ohio. 

[bernsteincat]

As a KYian, our (Dem) Governor has held up Ohio’s (R) Governor as an example of how different parties can come together for the good of the people. Beshear mentioned early and often that he was in constant communication with DeWine and praised him for taking appropriate measures similar to ours. I’m sure all of NKY being a bedroom to Cincinnati had a big part in that.

Tennessee’s (R) Governor..... not so much. Lol.

[picksthemusic]

So do we know if he has symptoms or is he asymptomatic? Does he plan to quarantine himself and anyone he's come into contact with since?

[1confused1]

Aug 6, 2020 15:40:06 GMT -5 picksthemusic said:

So do we know if he has symptoms or is he asymptomatic? Does he plan to quarantine himself and anyone he's come into contact with since?

CNN just played a clip, he said he has a headache but overall feels fine.

[stephm0188]

Aug 6, 2020 15:40:06 GMT -5 picksthemusic said:

So do we know if he has symptoms or is he asymptomatic? Does he plan to quarantine himself and anyone he's come into contact with since?

Largely asymptomatic and is self quarantining at home for 14 days.

[stephm0188]

2nd test came back negative.
www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2020/08/06/ohio-gov-mike-dewine-tests-negative-second-covid-19-test/3315697001/

[Velar Fricative]

Aug 6, 2020 20:40:12 GMT -5 stephm0188 said:

2nd test came back negative.
www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2020/08/06/ohio-gov-mike-dewine-tests-negative-second-covid-19-test/3315697001/

Weird. I was just reading that this happened to Matthew Stafford too (NFL player).

How certain can we be about false positives? I figure it’s way more likely for a test to not detect the virus than it is to think the virus is detected when it’s really not there. Unless the rapid tests might detect another type of coronavirus?

[stephm0188]

Aug 6, 2020 20:50:14 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Aug 6, 2020 20:40:12 GMT -5 stephm0188 said:

2nd test came back negative.
www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2020/08/06/ohio-gov-mike-dewine-tests-negative-second-covid-19-test/3315697001/

Weird. I was just reading that this happened to Matthew Stafford too (NFL player).

How certain can we be about false positives? I figure it’s way more likely for a test to not detect the virus than it is to think the virus is detected when it’s really not there. Unless the rapid tests might detect another type of coronavirus?

From his Facebook:

“In a second test administered today in Columbus, Governor Mike DeWine has tested negative for COVID-19. First Lady Fran DeWine and staff members have also all tested negative for COVID-19.

A PCR test was administered to the Governor and members of his staff this afternoon. The PCR test looks for the specific RNA for the SARS CoV-2 -- in other words, the genetic material specific for the virus that causes COVID-19. This test is known to be extremely sensitive, as well as specific, for the virus. The PCR tests for the Governor, First Lady, and staff were run two times. They came back negative the first time and came back negative when they were run on a second diagnostic platform.

We feel confident in the results from Wexner Medical Center. This is the same PCR test that has been used over 1.6 million times in Ohio by hospitals and labs all over the state.

The test administered this morning to the Governor in Cleveland, as part of the protocol required to meet the President, was an antigen test. These tests represent an exciting new technology to reduce the cost and improve the turnaround time for COVID-19 testing, but they are quite new, and we do not have much experience with them here in Ohio. We will be working with the manufacturer to have a better understanding of how the discrepancy between these two tests could have occurred.

Out of an abundance of caution, and at the direction of medical professionals, the Governor and First Lady plan on having another PCR test on Saturday. Results of these tests will also be released.“

[Velar Fricative]

I was *just* reading an article today about antigen tests and how we could solve our testing issues with them being done at home every couple of days. It was noted that they are not as accurate but because our outbreaks in the US are horrible, at this point we need to avoid creating more PCR backlogs.

[goldengirlz]

Ugh for two reasons.

1) I was rooting for DeWine. He was one of the early Republicans to move to shelter in place and made it a bipartisan action (at least until it all unraveled. But, if the federal government had been smart [side note: :::cries:::] he would have helped in buying the country time.)

2) The negative test after the positive one is just going to add fuel to the fire for COVID-deniers who think our numbers are exaggerated.

[aliciabella]

Aug 6, 2020 13:11:58 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Aug 6, 2020 13:06:13 GMT -5 susquehanna said:

The thing is, I thought that he was one of the rare Republications who was being kind of "strict" about preventing Covid-19.

Disclaimer: I'm a Democrat in Pennsylvania, and the governor in Pennsylvania is a Democrat. Lots of people in PA are upset at our governor about the policies that he has enacted in PA against Covid. I am under the impression that Ohio wasn't as strict about preventing Covid as Pennsylvania was in some respects. (People from Pennsylvania were driving into Ohio to go to bars and eat at restaurants, etc.) However, I am also under the impression that  a lot of red state voters in Ohio have been unhappy with DeWine for the policies that he has actually enacted in Ohio to fight Covid.

Early on he did pretty well but over time he got sucked back toward the party line. 

Which one, DeWine?

[seeyalater52]

Aug 7, 2020 12:58:50 GMT -5 aliciabella said:

Aug 6, 2020 13:11:58 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Early on he did pretty well but over time he got sucked back toward the party line. 

Which one, DeWine?

Yup. And I stand by that. Obviously he's done better than most Republican governors (very low bar) but the backtracking wasn't a good look. 

[kadams767]

So, I feel really dumb for not understanding this. Or maybe I do understand it just fine, who knows. Anyhow. Isn't it possible to be positive one day (ie. you have it) and then negative at another point (ie. once you no longer have it)? Especially if a person had been asymptomatic, they wouldn't really know how long they were positive prior to their first positive test, right?

This isn't specific to DeWine, just generally for people yelling about false positives. There isn't really a foolproof way to know if a positive was a false positive, other than multiple tests in rapid succession, is there?

[VillainV]

Aug 7, 2020 14:20:09 GMT -5 kadams767 said:

So, I feel really dumb for not understanding this. Or maybe I do understand it just fine, who knows. Anyhow. Isn't it possible to be positive one day (ie. you have it) and then negative at another point (ie. once you no longer have it)? Especially if a person had been asymptomatic, they wouldn't really know how long they were positive prior to their first positive test, right?

This isn't specific to DeWine, just generally for people yelling about false positives. There isn't really a foolproof way to know if a positive was a false positive, other than multiple tests in rapid succession, is there?

Yes, but it would be very strange to have a positive test then a negative test later in the same day. Generally speaking false negatives are much more common than false positives (for COVID but also for flu, strep, etc). The implication here is that this may have been a false positive because the type of test that the WH team uses may not have been as thoroughly tested as the type of test more common in OH (and the rest of the country).

If I may put my tinfoil hat on for a second, I wouldn’t put it past Trump’s team to tell people they are positive when they aren’t just to keep them away from the president or punish them for going against him. I don’t think DeWine is implying that, but he is definitely implying that the WH’s test isn’t very good.

[mcsangel2]

I totally understand how you get a false negative, but not a false positive. Can anyone enlighten me?

[atarianna]

Aug 7, 2020 14:02:11 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Aug 6, 2020 15:16:19 GMT -5 atarianna said:

I’ll be the dissenting voice. He is my governor and I’ve been generally very happy with how he has handled everything. He has taken a science centered approach and his reopening plan was somewhat phased and toed the line between health and economy.

He has not criticized Rump, but he also has not followed the party line on anti-Covid/anti-mask/pro-hoax garbage. He has been called a RINO by many angry Trumplicans, which I find incredibly ironic because Rump isn’t a conservative and do feel like DeWine is a legit conservative.

I do wish he would have mandated masks sooner, but have been happy that his approach to Covid. Early on, he blocked the Arnold before anyone was really even paying attention to COVID. There were tens of thousands of participants expected from around the world in early March. He closed schools and I think was the first state to do so. He was early in closing bars, gatherings places etc.

Also early this week he became the second governor to mandate masks in schools that choose to open.

Are republicans in Ohio going wild attacking him? I'm just curious because nearly everyone is attacking Whitmer and I'm assuming there is some kind of double standard here. Like there are recall petitions and lawsuits going on over Gretchen just trying to keep people alive.

Many trumplicans are going crazy in Ohio, and they are the same criticizing “that woman in Michigan!” More reasonable Republicans (ha, but I am in a red area so I have to be able to differentiate) give him the benefit of the doubt and just say how he is better than Andy (Dem Kentucky gov) or Whitmer. So absolutely a double standard, but moreso with far right people than more moderate replublicans.

[atarianna]

Aug 7, 2020 14:34:04 GMT -5 mcsangel2 said:

I totally understand how you get a false negative, but not a false positive. Can anyone enlighten me?

They tried to address it in the news conference today, but I think their methodology worked much better in showing why false negatives happen, not positives. Essentially the doctor on the conference compared the quick test to binoculars and the PCE test to a telescope, showing binoculars can make mistakes in what they see. A reporter said she spoke with the manufacturer of the test and they have a 99% accuracy rate and stand by their test result.

[kadams767]

Aug 7, 2020 14:28:49 GMT -5 VillainV said:

Aug 7, 2020 14:20:09 GMT -5 kadams767 said:

So, I feel really dumb for not understanding this. Or maybe I do understand it just fine, who knows. Anyhow. Isn't it possible to be positive one day (ie. you have it) and then negative at another point (ie. once you no longer have it)? Especially if a person had been asymptomatic, they wouldn't really know how long they were positive prior to their first positive test, right?

This isn't specific to DeWine, just generally for people yelling about false positives. There isn't really a foolproof way to know if a positive was a false positive, other than multiple tests in rapid succession, is there?

Yes, but it would be very strange to have a positive test then a negative test later in the same day. Generally speaking false negatives are much more common than false positives (for COVID but also for flu, strep, etc). The implication here is that this may have been a false positive because the type of test that the WH team uses may not have been as thoroughly tested as the type of test more common in OH (and the rest of the country).

If I may put my tinfoil hat on for a second, I wouldn’t put it past Trump’s team to tell people they are positive when they aren’t just to keep them away from the president or punish them for going against him. I don’t think DeWine is implying that, but he is definitely implying that the WH’s test isn’t very good.

Right, I didn't realize initially that he took two tests the same day.  I was thinking more generally about the concept of false positives and how many people would really be getting multiple tests in one day.  I assume not very many of us outside of the public eye.

[tripleshot]

I’m in Ohio. DeWine is getting another test Saturday. They said the rapid test he took first is not very accurate and the normal PCR test is the gold standard. I feel like I’m surrounded by covidiots here and they’re all criticizing DeWine for everything he says or does. They’re all so ignorant.

And on a side note, I drove by a house today that had a trump sign and next to it was a garden sign that says “Hate has no home here.” Hmmm, doesn’t make much sense to me. That’s par for the course around here.

[TR]

Aug 7, 2020 14:34:04 GMT -5 mcsangel2 said:

I totally understand how you get a false negative, but not a false positive. Can anyone enlighten me?

I thought it had something to do with the test not being specific enough to the type of coronavirus it's reacting to. So it might test positive because you had a different coronavirus and not SARS-COV-2 (that's this one, right?)

[susquehanna]

Aug 7, 2020 14:02:11 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Aug 6, 2020 15:16:19 GMT -5 atarianna said:

Are republicans in Ohio going wild attacking him? I'm just curious because nearly everyone is attacking Whitmer and I'm assuming there is some kind of double standard here. Like there are recall petitions and lawsuits going on over Gretchen just trying to keep people alive.

If you're trying to figure out whether Whitmer is getting more criticism than male governors, here are my thoughts on Pennsylvania.

Tom Wolf, a Democrat, is our male governor. He issued strict anti-Covid policies in Pennsylvania in mid March. I don't think that they were quite as strict as Michigan's policies, but they were still strict. (As I mentioned above, some people were driving into Ohio in order to do stuff that they couldn't do in Pennsylvania.) I work in downtown Pittsburgh (well, I did until mid March) but I live in a rural county outside of Pittsburgh and commute. In my opinion, there are a lot of rural residents who are very unhappy with Wolf. On one of the rural highways outside of Pittsburgh, many homes have pro-Trump and anti-Wolf signs in their yards. There are "Impeach Wolf" signs in some people's yards. I am under the impression that there are people filing lawsuits against Wolf. There have been anti-Wolf rallies in our state capitol over this. (I am not aware of any recall petitions, but maybe the media just hasn't given much coverage to this.)

[wanderingback]

Aug 7, 2020 14:34:04 GMT -5 mcsangel2 said:

I totally understand how you get a false negative, but not a false positive. Can anyone enlighten me?

He took the rapid test which is an antigen test.
No tests are 100% specific and 100%.
The reagents can affect results and how it is processed and the results reported.
I'm not sure of the brand he used, but there was a warning about the false positives from 1 manufacturer. 
www.medtechdive.com/news/fda-warns-of-false-positives-with-bd-coronavirus-diagnostic/581115/

In general recommend a follow up molecular test if using the rapid antigen test due to this problem.

This is the same as for some other tests. For example rapid HIV tests are pretty accurate, but there is a risk of false positives (and negatives), so we always do the more accurate follow up test for positives especially. 

[rubytue]

Aug 7, 2020 13:08:03 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Aug 7, 2020 12:58:50 GMT -5 aliciabella said:

Which one, DeWine?

Yup. And I stand by that. Obviously he's done better than most Republican governors (very low bar) but the backtracking wasn't a good look. 

Hogan is doing the same thing in MD. It’s still pretty good (mask mandate that is followed), but he is caving on in-person voting and overall, seems to be leaning much more right than center of late. 🥴