Who do you think is going to win in November

[Velar Fricative]

Sept 24, 2020 12:40:59 GMT -5 fryjack2 said:

Sept 23, 2020 17:30:49 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

I think only one will flip back to blue and I’ll pick MI over PA.

My mom is trying really hard to do this in MI.  She bought a billboard, among other actions to help get people to vote. 

My sister too! She's in Macomb County which is supposed to be the biggest battleground there. She sees a lot of Trump stuff but also sends me pictures of all the houses all decked out in Biden stuff. I'm trying to live vicariously through her to see how it feels to live in a swing state lol. 

[BlondeSpiders]

Sept 23, 2020 16:41:04 GMT -5 ohgillian said:

www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/


caravans of Trump supporters, adorned in Second Amendment accessories...

[ohgillian]

Sept 24, 2020 13:23:39 GMT -5 BlondeSpiders said:

Sept 23, 2020 16:41:04 GMT -5 ohgillian said:

www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/


caravans of Trump supporters, adorned in Second Amendment accessories...

Wait, what? I didn't say that thing that you're quoting as something I said. Is it a line from the article or something?

[mbcdefg]

Arnold Schwarzenegger is offering to fund grants to reopen closed polling places across the South.

[sonrisa]

Sept 24, 2020 14:25:33 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

Arnold Schwarzenegger is offering to fund grants to reopen closed polling places across the South.

Schwarzenegger was a bad choice for California and not a great governor. I am nooooot a fan. But he'd make a great deep red state republican governor. 

[timorousbeastie]

Sept 24, 2020 13:21:18 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Sept 24, 2020 12:40:59 GMT -5 fryjack2 said:

My mom is trying really hard to do this in MI.  She bought a billboard, among other actions to help get people to vote. 

My sister too! She's in Macomb County which is supposed to be the biggest battleground there. She sees a lot of Trump stuff but also sends me pictures of all the houses all decked out in Biden stuff. I'm trying to live vicariously through her to see how it feels to live in a swing state lol. 

I live in Macomb County, in a very Trump-loving city. Just going by demographics, I would expect that almost everyone in my particular neighborhood of ~40 homes fits the bill for deeply Republican. And yet the number of homes with Biden/anti-Trump signs is currently more than the number of homes with Trump signs. It’s giving me a tiny bit of hope (even though I would still be willing to bet serious money that my city overall will vote for Trump, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Macomb goes for Trump again).

[mbcdefg]

So this is going around right wing Twitter, about military ballots for Trump found discarded in PA: www.justice.gov/usao-mdpa/pr/revised-statement-us-attorney-freed-inquiry-reports-potential-issues-mail-ballots

Why were they already or owned? Is PA counting them this early? Is it normal for the Department of Justice to issue this statement, and/or point out that most of the ballots were for Trump?

Genuine questions. Smells like made up bullshit to me but I legit don’t know.

ETA: and their original release apparently said all nine ballots were for Trump, before they deleted it

[jamaicam]

I dont know of the UN doing any election-watching/Observer Missions, but the entities that tend to do it include the Carter Centre, the Organisation of American States and the Commonwealth.

They tend to visit countries in period running up to an election and help with any disputes in the aftermath. Most recent example from this region being the contested elections in Guyana.

They used to come here to observe but we have 'graduated' and our elections are widely thought to be free and fair.

I have no idae whether they could observe in teh USA - you are a member of the Organisation of American States so that might be the one that is of most relevance. No clue how it works thought to get them in.

[BlondeSpiders]

Sept 24, 2020 13:37:20 GMT -5 ohgillian said:

Sept 24, 2020 13:23:39 GMT -5 BlondeSpiders said:

Wait, what? I didn't say that thing that you're quoting as something I said. Is it a line from the article or something?

Sorry, I was just quoting the article you posted. It wasn't *at* you.

[taratru]

Sept 24, 2020 15:11:45 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

So this is going around right wing Twitter, about military ballots for Trump found discarded in PA: www.justice.gov/usao-mdpa/pr/revised-statement-us-attorney-freed-inquiry-reports-potential-issues-mail-ballots

Why were they already or owned? Is PA counting them this early? Is it normal for the Department of Justice to issue this statement, and/or point out that most of the ballots were for Trump?

Genuine questions. Smells like made up bullshit to me but I legit don’t know.

ETA: and their original release apparently said all nine ballots were for Trump, before they deleted it

Even if it is bullshit, it's bullshit cooked up to say "SEE! Mail in doesn't WORK!" done by a Trump supporter in that office. I guarantee it. There is no way a Democrat worker would take that chance, right?  RIGHT?!?!?

[DesertMoon]

I assume Trump will win. For a lot of reasons, 1 is because second terms in general go the current president's way.

The other reason is I think people are fantasizing about the years of trump before covid and are hoping to return to that. Also the whole mail in thing I think is actually going to hurt Democrats because I think it will truly deter or be forgotten or mishandled by a lot of people.

I have trouble getting my own Democrat abroad ballot in because I just keep putting it off. It's not like an appointment I have to physically go and vote so sometimes it falls by the way side. It's a scary thought. (I did mail mine in 4 days ago though!)

[mbcdefg]

Sept 24, 2020 16:25:27 GMT -5 taratru said:

Sept 24, 2020 15:11:45 GMT -5 mbcdefg said:

So this is going around right wing Twitter, about military ballots for Trump found discarded in PA: www.justice.gov/usao-mdpa/pr/revised-statement-us-attorney-freed-inquiry-reports-potential-issues-mail-ballots

Why were they already or owned? Is PA counting them this early? Is it normal for the Department of Justice to issue this statement, and/or point out that most of the ballots were for Trump?

Genuine questions. Smells like made up bullshit to me but I legit don’t know.

ETA: and their original release apparently said all nine ballots were for Trump, before they deleted it

Even if it is bullshit, it's bullshit cooked up to say "SEE! Mail in doesn't WORK!" done by a Trump supporter in that office. I guarantee it. There is no way a Democrat worker would take that chance, right?  RIGHT?!?!?

Barr briefed Trump on investigation into discarded Pennsylvania ballots

The president then revealed the investigation in an interview with Fox News.

abcnews.go.com/Politics/barr-briefed-trump-investigation-discarded-pennsylvania-ballots/story?id=73244344

“According to the Pennsylvania Election Code, ballot envelopes cannot be opened until the canvass is under way, and it is incumbent on counties to properly store and maintain the security of returned ballots.”

***

I like how they’re just doing all this shady shit in plain sight, and in advance of the election, so everyone can see how they’re going to cheat yet wring their hands saying “oooohhh how can we possibly stop them?”

[Jalapeñomel]

I think Trump will continue his presidency regardless of outcome.

[Jalapeñomel]

I also think BS supporters aren’t going to vote for either Trump or Biden, and that’s gonna hurt us.

[mbcdefg]

Local officials in Pennsylvania are saying that it was DOJ -- not them -- that identified those 9 discarded ballots as being for Trump


www.politico.com/news/2020/09/25/pennsylvania-ballots-trump-421908

[idahome]

Well that article from The Atlantic was anxiety inducing, for sure.

I’m a process person and believe documented processes are important as documentation equals less confusion in my mind. Seems like we could use some documentation on the “Interregnum” to deal with the chaos between Election Day and Inauguration Day. I’m not sure my already high anxiety will make it through that period. We need a clear blue wave because without it I truly believe Trump waits until the very last minute to exit.

Also, Indiana is running in single digits right now. I may take Election Day off work and offer to drive/escort people to the polls because of the Republican shenanigans discussed in the article.

[Michelle]

Sept 24, 2020 12:35:44 GMT -5 lemoncupcake said:

Sept 24, 2020 12:07:10 GMT -5 Michelle said:

That makes me hopeful. I don't know a single person who openly voted for Trump last time who plan to vote for Biden.

I know some who are voting for Jojo in protest. That's pretty much a vote for Trump in Texas.

My dad in Texas is a lifelong republican and has a Biden sign in his front yard. But he has been an anti-Trump republican since before the 2016 election, when he voted for a 3rd party candidate.


I have to have some hope that Biden will win.

I talked to an inside source for the Lincoln Project who said a surprising number of Bush family republicans (not naming the Bushes, but Republicans who fall in the Bush Republican camp) are pouring money into that effort. Wouldn’t it be incredible if Texas turned Blue for Biden because of them!? We can hope!!!

[ellipses84]

Sept 26, 2020 23:56:53 GMT -5 Michelle said:

Sept 24, 2020 12:35:44 GMT -5 lemoncupcake said:

My dad in Texas is a lifelong republican and has a Biden sign in his front yard. But he has been an anti-Trump republican since before the 2016 election, when he voted for a 3rd party candidate.


I have to have some hope that Biden will win.

I talked to an inside source for the Lincoln Project who said a surprising number of Bush family republicans (not naming the Bushes, but Republicans who fall in the Bush Republican camp) are pouring money into that effort. Wouldn’t it be incredible if Texas turned Blue for Biden because of them!? We can hope!!!

This gives me some hope. I was in TX for the last election and while urban areas were blue, there was a lot of hate for both candidates and people who didn’t vote for Hilary with an attitude that the other candidate couldn’t be that bad / they could give him a shot / maybe he’d surround himself with good people. Also a lot of people who didn’t vote at all or voted third party. The challenge is always the huge red rural areas overwhelming the blue cities in TX. I hope that with everything awful that has happened in the past 4 years there are a lot of regretful voters in the state who have changed their stance.

I’m going to be an optimist and say that Biden will win the election by a bigger margin of popular votes than the last election and the electoral college by a small margin. I’m worried about a close election. 3 years ago, I thought the pendulum was starting to swing back so much that a Democrat would win this election by far, and that was only 1 year into the horrible atrocities the current administration has committed. I am terrified about the state of our country that there are still so many vocally supporting the orange menace / impact of the conservative media / lack of critical thinking and people voting in ways that will have huge negative repercussions on their own lives in the future.