I feel like telling myself this and not letting myself hope for better does two things: 1. Keeps me motivated to donate, talk to people, etc. 2. Keeps my expectations low so my mental health isn’t a complete shit show when Trump does win.
After reading the comments - I changed my answer to Biden. I think Biden will clearly win the election in a manner that would have been accepted in any other prior election year. It won't necessarily be on November 3, but I do think within the month of November. However, I still think Trump and his supporters will contest it and make a lot of noise, giving the impression that the election hasn't been decided.
I don't know that that means for January. I'm afraid it means it will go to the supreme court and Trump's appointee will decide he should be president. But it will be clear that Biden won.
Honest question: is there where a point when international agencies step in to help us count/reach consensus? I forget who does that...the UN?
No. there is no way the US is letting that happen.
Not to mention Trump has done his damnedest to pull us out of and/or alienate us from our allies in the UN and NATO, and relations with our two land borders aren't at their best.
I feel like telling myself this and not letting myself hope for better does two things: 1. Keeps me motivated to donate, talk to people, etc. 2. Keeps my expectations low so my mental health isn’t a complete shit show when Trump does win.
I agree.
I was a sniveling, sobbing pile of despair the night of November 8, 2016.
I can't handle that again this year.
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I remember watching states going to Trump like PA and MI and feeling damn near close to the devastated feeling when the twin towers were hit. That may sound melodramatic to some, but that is how shocked i was. I just came across the letter I wrote to my daughter that morning, so full of 100% confidence we were getting our first female president that day. I was totally blind-sided. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong this time.
Post by W.T.Faulkner on Sept 23, 2020 14:53:43 GMT -5
My hope is that the dickheads who were going to stay home or vote third party now hate Mitch McConnell too bad to do that. I was heartened by the ActBlue fundraising over the weekend after RBG’s passing.
However, I’d be pleasantly surprised if Joe wins and not surprised at all if Trump does, so I guess that’s my answer.
Post by thelurkylulu on Sept 23, 2020 15:04:03 GMT -5
I think there needs to be an “I have no idea” option. There’s still 50ish days until the election and it seems like every day there is something new. I think a lot of it depends on how well Biden does in the debates. I feel like there are a large number of moderate voters he has the ability to pull in.
Well yeah I guess if there was a civil war. I just didn't want to jump to everything going that badly.
I've told myself it would be Trump since 2016. Even my son who was pretty young at the time cried at the election. His daycare had done a unit on first female president, and he was pretty disappointed.
::looks around at all the bullshit::
Jump? I think it was a jump in 2016 maybe, but I don’t think it’s a jump to wonder about civil war now.
Well yeah I guess if there was a civil war. I just didn't want to jump to everything going that badly.
I've told myself it would be Trump since 2016. Even my son who was pretty young at the time cried at the election. His daycare had done a unit on first female president, and he was pretty disappointed.
::looks around at all the bullshit::
Jump? I think it was a jump in 2016 maybe, but I don’t think it’s a jump to wonder about civil war now.
Post by Dumbledork on Sept 23, 2020 15:07:53 GMT -5
Remember after 2016 when assholes were like, the President is like the pilot of our plane. To hope Trump fails is like to hope the pilot fails and then we’ll all die in the plane crash.
I truly do think that Biden will get more votes. I just can't believe that an actual majority of people in this country really do want Trump to be president. I think that is both logic and just that my psyche cannot withstand thinking otherwise.
I do not realistically think we are going to have a resolution on election night. It just took me 20 days to receive something a friend mailed me using the USPS. I do not think we will have all ballots collected even by Thanksgiving, and I think it will take a while to count them. By then Trump will have already convinced enough people that he won and/or that there is voter fraud/uncertainty that a resolution will be slow. I am not really sure what will happen.
Well yeah I guess if there was a civil war. I just didn't want to jump to everything going that badly.
I've told myself it would be Trump since 2016. Even my son who was pretty young at the time cried at the election. His daycare had done a unit on first female president, and he was pretty disappointed.
::looks around at all the bullshit::
Jump? I think it was a jump in 2016 maybe, but I don’t think it’s a jump to wonder about civil war now.
I mean, Trump’s DOJ just designated three American cities as anarchist jurisdictions in order to defund us, including mine. Smells like setting the stage for a civil war to me.
Post by AdaraMarie on Sept 23, 2020 15:20:27 GMT -5
I think Trump because I have no optimism. I think everything in 2020 will continue to be awful just because it's 2020 and that anyone I thought might flip away from him because of the national dumpster fire will now flip back because of the supreme court. And everything will be awful forever. You know, based on gut feelings and no data
I think Trump because I have no optimism. I think everything in 2020 will continue to be awful just because it's 2020 and that anyone I thought might flip away from him because of the national dumpster fire will now flip back because of the supreme court. And everything will be awful forever. You know, based on gut feelings and no data
I'm feeling this.
I only have to drive an hour north before I see Trump flags and signs everywhere, and it makes me angry/sad/depressed at every instance I lay my eyes on.
The UN isn't stepping in if there is clear election fraud. It might pass a strongly worded resolution in the General Assembly, or sanctions, but it isn't going to physically intervene in any meaningful way without US consent.
Nor if Trump refuses to leave office after a clear election.
Nor if there is a civil war.
We would have to be so far down the rabbit hole of complete societal and governmental and military breakdown before anything meaningful would happen that there wouldn't be anything left of the country functioning as the United States of America anymore.
The US holds too much power and too many of the world's weapons for the UN to act on it's shores without consent of the de facto government and the military (even if it is illegitimate).