Right, I think it is similar to what you were saying the other day about none of us are protected until we all are (I’m paraphrasing). But as far as a scenario like visiting my parents — a vaccinated adult seeing an older unvaccinated parent, without masking, is probably too high a risk for my comfort level, if there’s like a 30% chance that I could be a carrier (as long as there are high levels in the community as there are now, also, is that how stats work, lol)
lol, no. If you otherwise had a 10% of being a carrier, after vaccine you have a 3.3% chance.
(30%ish would mean you had a base rate of close to 100% - ie. *everyone* is a carrier)
Haha thank you!! I knew that didn’t sound right. Where does the 10% number come from?
My other anti-vax friend is now pro-vax! Unclear if it's just pro-covid vax, or if she's now pro-all vax, but I'm calling it a win.
@@ Apparently being stuck in her house with her 5 kids for almost a year made her re-think that stance.
My "antivax" kid is now excited to get Gardasil. Vaccine mania is everywhere! (And by antivax, I mean throws a fit when she gets a vaccine, not some deep seated stance, lol).
lol, no. If you otherwise had a 10% of being a carrier, after vaccine you have a 3.3% chance.
(30%ish would mean you had a base rate of close to 100% - ie. *everyone* is a carrier)
Haha thank you!! I knew that didn’t sound right. Where does the 10% number come from?
Thin air I used that example because it makes the math easy. 10% is higher than the carrier base rate in most high transmission areas. Perhaps NYC in April was higher than that, but most of the time it'll be lower than that.
Breaking—Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine not only protects people from serious illness and death, but also substantially *slows the transmission by nearly 2/3rds* (pre print).
“The study by researchers at the University of Oxford is the first to document evidence that any coronavirus vaccine can reduce transmission of the virus.
Researchers measured the impact on transmission by swabbing participants every week seeking to detect signs of the virus. If there is no virus present, even if someone is infected, it cannot be spread. And they found a 67 percent reduction in positive swabs among those vaccinated.
The results, detailed by Oxford and AstraZeneca researchers in a manuscript that has not been peer-reviewed, found that the vaccine could cut transmission by nearly two-thirds.”
Great! I can’t wait to read the data.
The arm of the AZ trial I was in didn’t do that, so I wonder which participants were in that arm and how they decided which participants did that part.
The arm of the AZ trial I was in didn’t do that, so I wonder which participants were in that arm and how they decided which participants did that part.
I just wish Pfizer and Moderna had studied this in their initial trials as well, because this article makes it sounds like they didn't. Which kind of seems like an oversight? Although I think I've read there should be more data re: transmission soon, so maybe now they are.
I personally don’t think it was an oversight not to swab everyone weekly. I’m fine with their primary endpoints of decreasing illness and death. When you’re in the middle of the pandemic, I think the protocols that they used were fine.
But yeah like I said it’ll be interesting to see the AZ data because they didn’t do the weekly swabs for every participant, so I wonder how the numbers are broken down.
I personally don’t think it was an oversight not to swab everyone weekly. I’m fine with their primary endpoints of decreasing illness and death. When you’re in the middle of the pandemic, I think the protocols that they used were fine.
But yeah like I said it’ll be interesting to see the AZ data because they didn’t do the weekly swabs for every participant, so I wonder how the numbers are broken down.
Yeah, I get it. It would just be really nice data to have in the constant "when is life going to go back to something even somewhat resembling 'normal'?" projections/conversations!
Data is still being collected, the trials are for 2 years, so I’m sure we’ll get more info as time goes on. Most vaccine trials span over longer periods.
Y'all--my arm feels like an alligator tried to rip it off. OMG, it's every flu shot I've ever gotten rolled into 1. I don't have any other after-effects (1st dose), but damn, it hurts so much.
I think the concern about people feeling bad after shot 1 and subsequently not getting shot 2 is real.
The arm pain I had (for both shots) was worse than any other vaccine I’ve had, so I don’t think it’s completely out of the range of normal. I struggled to lift my arm at all between hours 8 and 24. Then it got better pretty quickly.
kittenponypony , data like this doesn't (IMO) give vaccinated people a free pass. but it means that our overall population (large majority unvaccinated) may be a little bit safer each week/month going about their essential activities. and that's amazing.
Yes although we have had sporadic positives the past few months at my work and I sometimes work with patients with a recent history of Covid so that probably raises my risk level over just the base infection rate in the community (I would think)
Oh man we just got my ILs appointments. It was announced in Iowa that 32K doses were taken back from the LTF allotment due to being turned down and were released to the 65+ public via walgreens and cvs.
An hour of my ILs, my H and my BIL working on it and they got two appointments. I was the one who saw the announcement so I am patting myself on the back for enacting the team.
Oh man we just got my ILs appointments. It was announced in Iowa that 32K doses were taken back from the LTF allotment due to being turned down and were released to the 65+ public via walgreens and cvs.
An hour of my ILs, my H and my BIL working on it and they got two appointments. I was the one who saw the announcement so I am patting myself on the back for enacting the team.
I had my second dose of Moderna yesterday and am knocked out today. I slept most of the day, but hopefully should be fine by tomorrow. Despite that, I feel relieved that DH and I have now both had both doses. My mom gets her second dose next week.
I feel like CO is going to be a free-for-all by the time it gets there, as employment checks for that are going to be hard to manage.
I agree and it’s really frustrating. I think it makes a lot of sense to vax those that are constantly exposed, but meanwhile people with severe comorbidities keep getting pushed further down unless they are elderly. I was originally in 1B and expected to get it in March and I’m starting to suspect we will just keep getting pushed to the general public phase because we’ve already been moved down twice. I’m just so tired, I have literally gone nowhere and done nothing for 11 months, no groceries, no family, nothing. I’m completely burned out and I know that applies to so many people but I’m also constantly terrified. My disease markers are all up and they upped my immune suppressants in December because of it, so I just constantly feel like if I could just get a vax I could exhale.
I feel like CO is going to be a free-for-all by the time it gets there, as employment checks for that are going to be hard to manage.
I agree and it’s really frustrating. I think it makes a lot of sense to vax those that are constantly exposed, but meanwhile people with severe comorbidities keep getting pushed further down unless they are elderly. I was originally in 1B and expected to get it in March and I’m starting to suspect we will just keep getting pushed to the general public phase because we’ve already been moved down twice. I’m just so tired, I have literally gone nowhere and done nothing for 11 months, no groceries, no family, nothing. I’m completely burned out and I know that applies to so many people but I’m also constantly terrified. My disease markers are all up and they upped my immune suppressants in December because of it, so I just constantly feel like if I could just get a vax I could exhale.
Maryland has been doing the same thing. It’s so frustrating. I hope you can exhale soon.
I was just able to schedule my appointment. I'm in 1c for work but also have comorbidities. Just having an appointment, I feel relieved. My second dose is scheduled for a Sunday, so I may pre-emptively take that next Monday off.
My work has been sending out emails about vaccine equity and just cancelled a bunch of appointments and rescheduled them in order to make the scheduling more equitable they say. I can't quite figure out what they really did though?
I work for a peds hospital and we recently had a very loved physician due leave to institutional racialism at the hospital. I just am not feeling very trusting of them right now and I don't see them doing enough to make others trust them enough either. For a place that says they focus on equity and diversity I'm disappointed. Maybe I'm missing some nuance not being there but I doubt it.
I know several others have already replied, but my lymph nodes swelled up starting 5 days (if I recall correctly, or maybe 4?) after my first dose of Moderna and stayed swollen and painful for 2-3 days. I get my second tomorrow, so I'm not sure what will happen there.
Keep me posted, would you? I assume that’s what this is - it’s a little tender to the touch, slightly larger than a pea, and it moves. Sitting right on my collarbone.
I got my second Moderna yesterday and so far just tenderness at the injection site. Maybe very mild fatigue? I might just be worn out from the work week, though. Really about the same as the first dose.
DH and I managed to get vaccine appointments, though weirdly mine is weeks sooner even though I signed up later. Here in Texas, BMI > 30 counts as 1b and that's how both of us qualify. I feel slightly bad because we're able to work remotely, but we are following the rules. BMI is a stupid indicator of course - a year ago I'd have nearly qualified but looked lean because I have a lot of muscle mass...but now I've put on a bunch of weight due to stress and lack of exercise. Once I am vaccinated I will probably risk trail running again, which would help my sanity a lot.
I was just able to schedule my appointment. I'm in 1c for work but also have comorbidities. Just having an appointment, I feel relieved. My second dose is scheduled for a Sunday, so I may pre-emptively take that next Monday off.
Just curious since I see you are in MD. How did you get an appointment? Through whom? I'm just curious because I have heard of very few people who have gotten appointments. I don't know where to even start to try to help my H and in-laws get them.
I was just able to schedule my appointment. I'm in 1c for work but also have comorbidities. Just having an appointment, I feel relieved. My second dose is scheduled for a Sunday, so I may pre-emptively take that next Monday off.
Just curious since I see you are in MD. How did you get an appointment? Through whom? I'm just curious because I have heard of very few people who have gotten appointments. I don't know where to even start to try to help my H and in-laws get them.
I booked it through this link: massvax.maryland.gov/. It looks like they are doing a drive thru clinic at Six Flags. And you book your second appt at the same time. So I have one this Sunday and one 3 weeks later (so it looks like it will be the Pfizer vaccine they administer).
Just curious since I see you are in MD. How did you get an appointment? Through whom? I'm just curious because I have heard of very few people who have gotten appointments. I don't know where to even start to try to help my H and in-laws get them.
I booked it through this link: massvax.maryland.gov/. It looks like they are doing a drive thru clinic at Six Flags. And you book your second appt at the same time. So I have one this Sunday and one 3 weeks later (so it looks like it will be the Pfizer vaccine they administer).
Thanks! It just says there are no locations near my address. Obviously we're willing to travel, but I wonder if they're targeting certain zip codes. We'll wait until it shows availability. I had no idea that link existed. Thanks!!
I booked it through this link: massvax.maryland.gov/. It looks like they are doing a drive thru clinic at Six Flags. And you book your second appt at the same time. So I have one this Sunday and one 3 weeks later (so it looks like it will be the Pfizer vaccine they administer).
Thanks! It just says there are no locations near my address. Obviously we're willing to travel, but I wonder if they're targeting certain zip codes. We'll wait until it shows availability. I had no idea that link existed. Thanks!!
I think they're just booked for the appts that they have released. Keep checking though.
Post by wanderingback on Feb 4, 2021 11:51:10 GMT -5
tacocat - I heard that story and about that physician. It seemed they were really loved by patients and staff. But that’s what happens with racism. So maddening.
tacocat - I heard that story and about that physician. It seemed they were really loved by patients and staff. But that’s what happens with racism. So maddening.
It really is. We should be better and need some leadership changes. Not just emails about these "improvements" you are making to the systems.
My dad was able to get my 91 year old grandma the vaccine today finally by begging. He can be really annoying when he wants to be. YAY for persistence!
Post by amberlyrose on Feb 4, 2021 14:05:12 GMT -5
Our family is in a weird predicament. My grandpa can get the vaccine but my grandma can't because she's on hospice. My aunt is actually working on getting her off hospice for other reasons, but now gramps is refusing to get it because he doesn't want her left out.
They both had Covid in Sept/Oct- grandpa had no symptoms and grandma ended up with pneumonia and almost on a ventilator, which is actually one of the reasons she was put on hospice. I get not "wasting" vaccines for those on hospice, but it puts us in such a weird situation. I just really want to see them
In good news, both my mom and sister had their first dose and my dad should be getting his soon! I feel the weight lifting slowly
I have a possibly stupid question. I just read that our flu numbers are way down this year- the number I read was .3% positivity rate vs our normal 20-30%, and I think other countries were seeing the same. Obviously this makes sense as we’re masking/distancing. My question is, if it was like this everywhere and not just the US, is there reason to believe our flu numbers could continue being lower than normal over the next few years? Just because there isn’t as much circulating?
amberlyrose - It makes sense not to give the vaccine to people who are terminal, but hospice doesn't always mean that. I know some people who have been on hospice for 2 years, so it just means they get more care. It doesn't make sense that those people who would live for 2 more years shouldn't get it.
meganew - I watched the video that was posted here about the flu and other respiratory diseases. Basically your immune system won't allow the flu to come in while Covid is happening. When Covid numbers go a lot farther down (and if it were still flu season) then you would see flu numbers rise. If it was not flu season then you probably wouldn't see flu numbers rise since schools transmit a lot of the flu and schools are closed in the summer. So maybe we will see more flu in the 2021-2022 season if Covid is under control.
I have a possibly stupid question. I just read that our flu numbers are way down this year- the number I read was .3% positivity rate vs our normal 20-30%, and I think other countries were seeing the same. Obviously this makes sense as we’re masking/distancing. My question is, if it was like this everywhere and not just the US, is there reason to believe our flu numbers could continue being lower than normal over the next few years? Just because there isn’t as much circulating?
This video was posted earlier and it is answers your question and is fascinating!