7 Senate Dems reject proposal to raise minimum waige

[redheadbaker]

thehill.com/homenews/senate/541826-senate-rejects-sanders-15-minimum-wage-hike

The Senate on Friday voted to reject a proposal sponsored by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to raise the federal minimum wage to $15.

Seven Democrats and one Independent who caucuses with Democrats voted against it. The vote has yet to be gaveled closed, though it appeared every senator had cast their vote by 12:15 p.m.

Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.), Jon Tester (D-Mont.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.), Chris Coons (D-Del.) Tom Carper (D-Del.) and Angus King (I-Maine.) voted to sustain a procedural objection — a budget point of order — against the wage increase.

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The overwhelming vote raises doubts whether Biden will be able to raise the federal minimum wage to $15 at any point in his first term.

[taratru]

I just DON'T get it.

[shauni27]

I see I have some state senators to call.

[agnes]

Of course Joe Manchin voted against it.

[1yeartogo]

I hate this, but they probably have CBO analysis of how many jobs this would cost and just will not go with it no matter what. Realistically then they should go to these 7 senators and say what would be the highest # you would agree to, and then go with that as a consensus to pass something! I would rather see $12.50 than have no improvement. If we don’t pass the increase before the next election it will never happen.

[lea]

Mar 5, 2021 13:29:22 GMT -5 1yeartogo said:

I hate this, but they probably have CBO analysis of how many jobs this would cost and just will not go with it no matter what. Realistically then they should go to these 7 senators and say what would be the highest # you would agree to, and then go with that as a consensus to pass something! I would rather see $12.50 than have no improvement. If we don’t pass the increase before the next election it will never happen.

I think it was something like 1.4 million jobs lost but it would raise 900,000 people out of poverty.

I agree with trying to negotiate and at least get it raised some at this point before we lose the opportunity. There are still a lot of states below $12. It’s frustrating that it hasn’t budged above 7.25 in over a decade.

[heat40]

Well this is why all the anger towards Kamala Harris pressuring her to overrule the parliamentarian was bullshit. We never had the votes period.

[atexan]

Also shows that St. Bernard was full of shit when he said this was going to be no problem.

[5kcandlesinthewind]

If I'm following, this was just a procedural vote on whether or not to include the amendment as part of the final bill. I have no doubt that some on that list would be against it in a clean vote, but for some of them, it's possible this was just calculus on whether or not the stimulus bill could pass with it included and an attempt to avoid restarting the clock while people are in need.

Or I'm reading it wrong and they're all shitheads. Equally plausible!

[seeyalater52]

Mar 5, 2021 13:56:53 GMT -5 5kcandlesinthewind said:

If I'm following, this was just a procedural vote on whether or not to include the amendment as part of the final bill. I have no doubt that some on that list would be against it in a clean vote, but for some of them, it's possible this was just calculus on whether or not the stimulus bill could pass with it included and an attempt to avoid restarting the clock while people are in need.

Or I'm reading it wrong and they're all shitheads. Equally plausible!

Thank you. GUYS. This is a procedural vote about amendments to the reconciliation/stimulus bill. It’s called vote-a-rama and it’s specifically intended to force Senators onto the record in this way so their votes can be used against them (for better or for worse.)

The minimum wage increase was never going to be in the stimulus bill because IT IS NOT RECONCILIATION ELIGIBLE per the parliamentarian. Her ruling is fine. If we want a min wage increase we need to get a better Senate majority or eliminate the filibuster.

For fuck’s sake. Bernard knows this. You know what else he knows? That “we” would fall for this clickbait headline bullshit. So good going, I guess.

[seeyalater52]

Also voting to sustain a procedural objection based on long-standing Senate rules and deference to the parliamentarian =/= voting against whatever the content of the amendment is.

All this tells me is that these people agree (rightly IMO) that the parliamentarian’s ruling should stand, which I have no problem with.

[smock]

Mar 5, 2021 13:35:11 GMT -5 lea said:

Mar 5, 2021 13:29:22 GMT -5 1yeartogo said:

I hate this, but they probably have CBO analysis of how many jobs this would cost and just will not go with it no matter what. Realistically then they should go to these 7 senators and say what would be the highest # you would agree to, and then go with that as a consensus to pass something! I would rather see $12.50 than have no improvement. If we don’t pass the increase before the next election it will never happen.

I think it was something like 1.4 million jobs lost but it would raise 900,000 people out of poverty.

I agree with trying to negotiate and at least get it raised some at this point before we lose the opportunity. There are still a lot of states below $12. It’s frustrating that it hasn’t budged above 7.25 in over a decade.

Here in Seattle we raised the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Guess what? It did cost people jobs––because people working 2-3 jobs to make enough money cut their hours down to 1 job. The average hours for low-income workers went down, while their average wages went UP, even though the number of jobs went down. I really wish there was room for nuance in these conversations. 

(and all this is aside from the procedural vote, which does not mean those Dems don't support an increase to the minimum wage.)

[seeyalater52]

Mar 5, 2021 14:20:01 GMT -5 smock said:

Mar 5, 2021 13:35:11 GMT -5 lea said:

I think it was something like 1.4 million jobs lost but it would raise 900,000 people out of poverty.

I agree with trying to negotiate and at least get it raised some at this point before we lose the opportunity. There are still a lot of states below $12. It’s frustrating that it hasn’t budged above 7.25 in over a decade.

Here in Seattle we raised the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Guess what? It did cost people jobs––because people working 2-3 jobs to make enough money cut their hours down to 1 job. The average hours for low-income workers went down, while their average wages went UP, even though the number of jobs went down. I really wish there was room for nuance in these conversations. 

(and all this is aside from the procedural vote, which does not mean those Dems don't support an increase to the minimum wage.)

Agreed. Also for the record re: the posts you were responding to, it isn’t possible to negotiate on the dollar amount in this particular context. A minimum wage increase cannot be included in the stimulus bill whether it’s $30, $15 or $9/hour. It’s not the amount that is the issue, it’s that it is a spending bill and that isn’t eligible.

[smock]

Here's an idea! Let's lock all the senators in a room. They can each write a number on a slip of paper and put it in a hat. Then we take out all the slips that say zero (You know Rand Paul and Ted Cruz want to get rid of the minimum wage). Then we pass a standalone bill raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour. We don't let Ted Cruz out of the room, so he can't vote.

[silva]

Mar 5, 2021 14:04:36 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Mar 5, 2021 13:56:53 GMT -5 5kcandlesinthewind said:

If I'm following, this was just a procedural vote on whether or not to include the amendment as part of the final bill. I have no doubt that some on that list would be against it in a clean vote, but for some of them, it's possible this was just calculus on whether or not the stimulus bill could pass with it included and an attempt to avoid restarting the clock while people are in need.

Or I'm reading it wrong and they're all shitheads. Equally plausible!

Thank you. GUYS. This is a procedural vote about amendments to the reconciliation/stimulus bill. It’s called vote-a-rama and it’s specifically intended to force Senators onto the record in this way so their votes can be used against them (for better or for worse.)

The minimum wage increase was never going to be in the stimulus bill because IT IS NOT RECONCILIATION ELIGIBLE per the parliamentarian. Her ruling is fine. If we want a min wage increase we need to get a better Senate majority or eliminate the filibuster.

For fuck’s sake. Bernard knows this. You know what else he knows? That “we” would fall for this clickbait headline bullshit. So good going, I guess.

yeah. Twitter is going insane at this vote. I was hoping for some common sense, but everyone is acting like it's the end of the Dem party this will cause us to lose BIG in 2020.  I just want it all to stop. 

[5kcandlesinthewind]

HOWEVER, Kyijrstyein Sinema can fuck all the way off with her shenanigans while voting.

[ajj]

Mar 5, 2021 15:24:33 GMT -5 5kcandlesinthewind said:

HOWEVER, Kyijrstyein Sinema can fuck all the way off with her shenanigans while voting.

Ew.

[thelurkylulu]

Someone needs to introduce a bill where Congress makes minimum wage.

[kershnic]

Mar 5, 2021 15:22:40 GMT -5 silva said:

Mar 5, 2021 14:04:36 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Thank you. GUYS. This is a procedural vote about amendments to the reconciliation/stimulus bill. It’s called vote-a-rama and it’s specifically intended to force Senators onto the record in this way so their votes can be used against them (for better or for worse.)

The minimum wage increase was never going to be in the stimulus bill because IT IS NOT RECONCILIATION ELIGIBLE per the parliamentarian. Her ruling is fine. If we want a min wage increase we need to get a better Senate majority or eliminate the filibuster.

For fuck’s sake. Bernard knows this. You know what else he knows? That “we” would fall for this clickbait headline bullshit. So good going, I guess.

yeah. Twitter is going insane at this vote. I was hoping for some common sense, but everyone is acting like it's the end of the Dem party this will cause us to lose BIG in 2020.  I just want it all to stop. 

RIGHT? Like the solution to get $15/hr is to just let Republicans take over, rather than working harder on getting more and better dems in office. I’m sure that will work out well.

Also, be reasonable people... we need more progressive dems from other states, not a dreamworld where we can primary out Manchin from the left in West Virginia. Eye roll here.

[AdaraMarie]

Mar 5, 2021 15:41:00 GMT -5 thelurkylulu said:

Someone needs to introduce a bill where Congress makes minimum wage.

I just wish they had sone of the same job requirements as I do: minimum education level, respect in the workplace training/ policies, appropriate social media policies etc.

[erbear]

Mar 5, 2021 15:24:33 GMT -5 5kcandlesinthewind said:

HOWEVER, Kyijrstyein Sinema can fuck all the way off with her shenanigans while voting.

She looks like someone playing the role of obnoxious high school student body president in a bad play.

[Deleted]

Mar 5, 2021 18:41:50 GMT -5 erbear said:

Mar 5, 2021 15:24:33 GMT -5 5kcandlesinthewind said:

HOWEVER, Kyijrstyein Sinema can fuck all the way off with her shenanigans while voting.

She looks like someone playing the role of obnoxious high school student body president in a bad play.

"Marie Antoinette" is trending here locally kn reference to her vote. And we were all so happy when she flipped that seat. Ugh!

ETA we are still happy the sest flipped, just wish it wasnt to her.

[wanderingback]

Mar 5, 2021 14:04:36 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Mar 5, 2021 13:56:53 GMT -5 5kcandlesinthewind said:

If I'm following, this was just a procedural vote on whether or not to include the amendment as part of the final bill. I have no doubt that some on that list would be against it in a clean vote, but for some of them, it's possible this was just calculus on whether or not the stimulus bill could pass with it included and an attempt to avoid restarting the clock while people are in need.

Or I'm reading it wrong and they're all shitheads. Equally plausible!

Thank you. GUYS. This is a procedural vote about amendments to the reconciliation/stimulus bill. It’s called vote-a-rama and it’s specifically intended to force Senators onto the record in this way so their votes can be used against them (for better or for worse.)

The minimum wage increase was never going to be in the stimulus bill because IT IS NOT RECONCILIATION ELIGIBLE per the parliamentarian. Her ruling is fine. If we want a min wage increase we need to get a better Senate majority or eliminate the filibuster.

For fuck’s sake. Bernard knows this. You know what else he knows? That “we” would fall for this clickbait headline bullshit. So good going, I guess.

This is how I feel about medical posts sometimes lol.

I haven't been following this particular vote, but thank you for this explanation!!

[cville]

Mar 5, 2021 14:04:36 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Mar 5, 2021 13:56:53 GMT -5 5kcandlesinthewind said:

If I'm following, this was just a procedural vote on whether or not to include the amendment as part of the final bill. I have no doubt that some on that list would be against it in a clean vote, but for some of them, it's possible this was just calculus on whether or not the stimulus bill could pass with it included and an attempt to avoid restarting the clock while people are in need.

Or I'm reading it wrong and they're all shitheads. Equally plausible!

Thank you. GUYS. This is a procedural vote about amendments to the reconciliation/stimulus bill. It’s called vote-a-rama and it’s specifically intended to force Senators onto the record in this way so their votes can be used against them (for better or for worse.)

The minimum wage increase was never going to be in the stimulus bill because IT IS NOT RECONCILIATION ELIGIBLE per the parliamentarian. Her ruling is fine. If we want a min wage increase we need to get a better Senate majority or eliminate the filibuster.

For fuck’s sake. Bernard knows this. You know what else he knows? That “we” would fall for this clickbait headline bullshit. So good going, I guess.

I would like this opportunity to reiterate that Bernard can shut up FOREVER and ever and I will never like him ever.


Also, HE'S NOT A DEMOCRAT. And I haven't forgotten that he tried to hijack the party to become president because he's an opportunist who cares more about scoring attaboys than he does ACTUALLY AFFECTING REAL AND MEASURABLY POSITIVE CHANGE. Jackass.

[SwimDeep]

Mar 5, 2021 23:36:31 GMT -5 cville said:

Mar 5, 2021 14:04:36 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Thank you. GUYS. This is a procedural vote about amendments to the reconciliation/stimulus bill. It’s called vote-a-rama and it’s specifically intended to force Senators onto the record in this way so their votes can be used against them (for better or for worse.)

The minimum wage increase was never going to be in the stimulus bill because IT IS NOT RECONCILIATION ELIGIBLE per the parliamentarian. Her ruling is fine. If we want a min wage increase we need to get a better Senate majority or eliminate the filibuster.

For fuck’s sake. Bernard knows this. You know what else he knows? That “we” would fall for this clickbait headline bullshit. So good going, I guess.

I would like this opportunity to reiterate that Bernard can shut up FOREVER and ever and I will never like him ever.


Also, HE'S NOT A DEMOCRAT. And I haven't forgotten that he tried to hijack the party to become president because he's an opportunist who cares more about scoring attaboys than he does ACTUALLY AFFECTING REAL AND MEASURABLY POSITIVE CHANGE. Jackass.

I wish I could like this twice! Every now and then a coworker will say something about st. Bernard and how he's got good ideas and blah, blah, blah... I tune it out. I don't have the mental capacity to funnel my rage into coherent arguments. So I don't even play. Especially at work.