I stopped following them ages ago so there may be info out there that would change my mind, but I feel like she's kind of both complicit and a victim? Like, I don't exactly feel sorry for her, but I also think she genuinely has no where to go if she wanted out.
She’d be set for life if she left and wrote a tell all.
Financially, maybe yes. But she'd have basically no one.
As an aside, I would bet many dollars that a tell-all book written by her would be pretty terrible. She has basically no education and doesn't seem like she'd be a particularly captivating storyteller.
Jill and her husband are estranged from her parents and she wears pants and has a nose piercing and does other "secular" things now. Still a conservative Christian but like a normal one, not an uber fundie.
also rumors are that Jana is courting, finally.
Whoaaaa. Good for her! She’s the one who hugged him before they got married right? They met abroad or something? I remember thinking that if any of them were going to buck the family it would be her, but then she got all involved in another show with Jinger (edit: it was Jessa, not Jinger) and I gave up on the idea.
I haven’t sought out Duggar news in quite some time.
She’d be set for life if she left and wrote a tell all.
Financially, maybe yes. But she'd have basically no one.
As an aside, I would bet many dollars that a tell-all book written by her would be pretty terrible. She has basically no education and doesn't seem like she'd be a particularly captivating storyteller.
I assume it would be written by someone else.
But again she just has no life experience. She wouldn’t find someone like this on her own so that means someone is seeking her out. How does she sift through the scams and all. I have to think that critical thinking and evaluation skills aren’t something they really focus on when teaching their young girls in their “homeschool” program.
Not to mention even if she had all of the $$ in the world she still has 7 kids. That’s a lot of people to move, house, plan for, etc.
Post by prettyinpearls on Apr 29, 2021 19:29:33 GMT -5
I read that he was arrested by Homeland Security but was put into jail on "federal hold" for another agency. Anyone know what that means? He's going before a judge at 11AM tomorrow; is that when they'll issue charges? How can you arrest someone without any charges? (Clearly I have no idea how any of this works)
@@ Derick accused JB of taking the paychecks of the minor children and the unmarried daughters (unclear if the adult male children were paid- though the I think it was "Counting On" which was focused on Jill/Jessa at that point and not the other siblings.) I believe Derick HOWEVER I think Derick is his own pile of garbage. He was fired by TLC for unrelenting transphobic attacks on a fellow TLC star (who was a child! at the time) and soon after began bashing JB stating they wouldn't appear because of the financial aspect.
Who is Derrick? It’s been years and I can’t remember
I read that he was arrested by Homeland Security but was put into jail on "federal hold" for another agency. Anyone know what that means? He's going before a judge at 11AM tomorrow; is that when they'll issue charges? How can you arrest someone without any charges? (Clearly I have no idea how any of this works)
I think you either have a warrant for arrest, or the police arrest you for probable cause.
I read that he was arrested by Homeland Security but was put into jail on "federal hold" for another agency. Anyone know what that means? He's going before a judge at 11AM tomorrow; is that when they'll issue charges? How can you arrest someone without any charges? (Clearly I have no idea how any of this works)
I think you either have a warrant for arrest, or the police arrest you for probable cause.
I read that federal arrests are only done when they’re like really sure they will win and the conviction rate is over 90% so there’s a really good chance he is fucked.
She’d be set for life if she left and wrote a tell all.
Financially, maybe yes. But she'd have basically no one.
As an aside, I would bet many dollars that a tell-all book written by her would be pretty terrible. She has basically no education and doesn't seem like she'd be a particularly captivating storyteller.
True but she does have a few siblings who have left the cult and if I’m not mistaken she still speaks to them so hopefully she will get support of one of them. She went to the wedding of one of them a few years ago who has left the cult. There is hope.
I believe a few of her siblings have divorced also.
So wait, people feel for Anna? Was she not complicit in this at all? I have never followed the Duggars, so I really don’t know.
This ties into something I posted awhile ago about when should someone “know better”. She was raised in this cult, homeschooled, married her husband when she was 19, and immediately became @@@
pregnant. 7 kids later, without access to outside world, should she “know better”?
I just don’t know what the right answer is here. Is she a victim or a perpetrator?
You can be both. I have a number of people in my extended family who survived the atrocities of Holocaust and their bitterness haunted them for the rest of their lives. The level of emotional abuse they inflicted on their spouses (and children, to a lesser extent) is horrible.
People are complicated.
That said, I’m not sure I believe the Duggars are as sheltered as they portray themselves. As someone raised in proximity to ultra-Orthodox culture, I understand what it means to be sheltered, even brainwashed. But the fact that the Duggars opened up their lives and became household names — that’s not consistent with fundamentalist culture. I’ve seen what fundamentalism does to women — and it can be terrible — but she has more resources and lifelines than most women in her situation do. It’s a level of nuance that raises the question of at what point does “ignorance” become “willful ignorance?”
Flammable or not, idgaf, my sympathy is dead for people who procreate with known pedophiles.
Definitely understand your position but I don’t think it’s consenting if you don’t know / believe saying no is an option. I myself am definitely really ambivalent about how to react to her.
Apparently JB and Michelle are at the big homeschool conference at Big Sandy right now, not at home. So they are surrounded by other fundie families that worship them. Gonna be interesting. Wonder if they will high tail it home
Buzzfeed News is reporting that Josh Duggar was arrested by US Marshals and not the FBI. An FBI official said that the agency isn't involved in this case.
I wonder if that news gives a clue as to what Duggar is being charged with.
Nope, it's related to the raid that was carried out on his car dealership a year and a half ago. It's the feds, not local LE, so probably something to do with money laundering or fraud. And didn't he used to be a spokesperson for some conservative Christian political think tank?
Focus on the Family
Worse. Family research council. Fotf stays just barely on the side of not being a hate group. Frc does not.
Post by maudefindlay on Apr 30, 2021 5:09:39 GMT -5
Does anyone know why Josh and fam have been living in a warehouse on his parent's property? Also, I don't believe Anna is as sheltered as some think. She's on Instagram. Unless others feel that is controlled by someone else.
Also my bet is it is a financial crime, dealership was raided in 2019. If this was related to a sexual crime wouldn’t he have been arrested already?
But the no bail thing...
I’m guessing both — that the investigation of the financial crime lead to the discovery of a sexual crime. If US Marshalls are involved, it’s an interstate crime. So I’d bet child pornography or hush money payments to cover up harm to children. These are the kinds of things I could imagine being discovered while deep in the weeds of a financial crime investigation.
Of course I hope he wasn’t hurting kids, but if it walks like a duck....
Whatever it is, he’s a monster and at least his kids are safer today than they were yesterday.
As for Anna, put me in the both category. She can be worldly and still completely under the control of a man. Highly educated women stay in abusive relationships for years all the time. We don’t know if the later three kids were the product of consensual sex, and we don’t know what kind of complicated legal weapons Josh and his family wild over her to maintain compliance.
according to her religion, she is never allowed to say no to sex with her husband. If you can’t say no, then your yes is meaningless. I think women have very little agency in this cult and I tend to come down on the side of victim.
I'm going to sound like an asshole for suggesting norplant or depo as a means to not have babies with a dude who molested his sisters.
I wonder if she has access to these? If the cult takes away her ability to decide whether or not to consent to sex with her husband, then it probably takes away her access to birth control too. Also, I feel very uncomfortable with the idea that a rape victim is responsible for preventing their own pregnancy.
I find it INSANE that with 19 kids and all of those marriages and kids that no one has written a tell all yet. Like what the hell is Jim Bob doing to keep all of those humans so hush? Somebody spill the tea and shut that family down!!
I find it INSANE that with 19 kids and all of those marriages and kids that no one has written a tell all yet. Like what the hell is Jim Bob doing to keep all of those humans so hush? Somebody spill the tea and shut that family down!!
I thought I read a headline a year or two back that Derrick was writing one, but he's prolly busy with law school.
I find it INSANE that with 19 kids and all of those marriages and kids that no one has written a tell all yet. Like what the hell is Jim Bob doing to keep all of those humans so hush? Somebody spill the tea and shut that family down!!
I thought I read a headline a year or two back that Derrick was writing one, but he's prolly busy with law school.
From what I was reading this morning, I wouldn’t buy anything from him. Evidently, he’s a transphobic, homophobic misogynist too.