I'm not that surprised. The women aren't going to defect because where and how is this going to happen? If you are 17 or 18 year old girl raised in that environment, how exactly do you just jump ship and tell all? It's not like they've got friends from outside that world, or some trusted aunt in the city that they can run away to. And then after that, in a blink of an eye, they are married with a houseful of kids with no money of their own.
It's probably easier for the men to leave, but they have less of an incentive. And honestly I suspect a lot of them are much like Josh and have a history of sexual crimes and fear the church file on them will be turned over to the police in retaliation.
I don't follow Jill/Derrick, but why do we think the distancing is because they disapprove of Duggar life? Isn't it typical abuser behavior to separate the wife from her family? Maybe she's voluntarily distancing herself, but it could also be that he's forcing her to distance.
I don't know for sure why Jill/Derrick have distanced themselves, but from what they have said she is in therapy and has been invited back home, but hasn't been there in years because their home is a trigger for her. She's also started wearing pants, drinking alcohol and using birth control. She allows the kids to watch TV. I don't know details obviously, but she has made it seem that she is the one pulling away.
Fun fact in my reading on Jill: we have the same birthday.
eta: I was just catching up on Jill and missed the charges. My god. His damn "I do what I want, always have, and I'll get away with this too" smirk gave me a physical response.
To those that are shocked more Duggar kids haven’t distanced themselves from IFB, it should really be more shocking that it appears Jill may be. These kids have been trained from the jump to question all outsiders, that the world is evil, and have been trained to control their own thoughts and emotions in line with the IFB beliefs. It’s extremely hard to overcome mind control.
To those that are shocked more Duggar kids haven’t distanced themselves from IFB, it should really be more shocking that it appears Jill may be. These kids have been trained from the jump to question all outsiders, that the world is evil, and have been trained to control their own thoughts and emotions in line with the IFB beliefs. It’s extremely hard to overcome mind control.
2. Since we all seem to want to use correct language, "child porn" is no longer considered appropriate as it puts the onus of the abuse on the child. The language used is "child sexual abuse imagery/media."
3. Every single one of those women and children are victims. You're not going to change my mind. They have ZERO power. They have ZERO agency. They do not have the education, experience, resources, support, etc. that any single one of us has. Keep that in mind when you blame Anna Duggar for her situation (or any of the women in relationships with men who follow this cult.)
Fuck him and his enabling parents. I hope his ass stays locked up. Will be curious how they try to spin this. If Anna stays married after this damn.
She won't be allowed to divorce and stay in the fold. She would have to completely separate herself and that would take some information and resources I'm not sure she has access to. And there could be a custody fight with the Duggars over her kids. Those people are very powerful.
Fuck him and his enabling parents. I hope his ass stays locked up. Will be curious how they try to spin this. If Anna stays married after this damn.
She won't be allowed to divorce and stay in the fold. She would have to completely separate herself and that would take some information and resources I'm not sure she has access to. And there could be a custody fight with the Duggars over her kids. Those people are very powerful.
Anna has a couple of siblings who are out of the cult. They are probably her only way out.
I'm wondering if Amy, the cousin, could help Anna at all.
I've thought about this too. I think her siblings are still her best bet out, but I read that once the girl marries she basically becomes property of her husband's family in their cult. So...I just think Michelle and Jim Bob are going to tell her to live with them forever and that will not be much of an improvement (although having Josh out of there is great). Ugh...I don't know. I hope CPS gets involved. Unfortunately, I think Duggars are probably pros at CPS investigations. UGH.
2. Since we all seem to want to use correct language, "child porn" is no longer considered appropriate as it puts the onus of the abuse on the child. The language used is "child sexual abuse imagery."
3. Every single one of those women and children are victims. You're not going to change my mind. They have ZERO power. They have ZERO agency. They do not have the education, experience, resources, support, etc. that any single one of us has. Keep that in mind when you blame Anna Duggar for her situation (or any of the women in relationships with men who follow this cult.)
Child sexual abuse media (so it includes pics and videos) is also accepted.
It’s an important part of changing our language and separating it out from pornography. Language is powerful in how we evaluate things and we should all be doing it.
Yes, and for clarifying that. I saw the new terminology in some article headlines, and thought it was depicting violence too. This is all so awful anyway, but I’m glad they’ve updated things.
Fuck him and his enabling parents. I hope his ass stays locked up. Will be curious how they try to spin this. If Anna stays married after this damn.
She won't be allowed to divorce and stay in the fold. She would have to completely separate herself and that would take some information and resources I'm not sure she has access to. And there could be a custody fight with the Duggars over her kids. Those people are very powerful.
Agreed. I hope some outfit like Lifetime comes along and offers $$ to spill the beans and she takes it. At least he can't live with her and the kids.
She won't be allowed to divorce and stay in the fold. She would have to completely separate herself and that would take some information and resources I'm not sure she has access to. And there could be a custody fight with the Duggars over her kids. Those people are very powerful.
Agreed. I hope some outfit like Lifetime comes along and offers $$ to spill the beans and she takes it. At least he can't live with her and the kids.
I just can’t imagine her being pregnant, having 6 kids, living on my Inlaws property with no education, and having the courage to leave.
Worse. Family research council. Fotf stays just barely on the side of not being a hate group. Frc does not.
Dude Focus on the Family is absolutely a hate group.
I agree with you personally, but I don't the SPLC labels them as such, but they do for FRC. I was referring to that designation not what I think about them which is that they're evil and hateful and cause irreparable harm to children.
I've unfortunately had to have a lot of professional interaction with FoTF (we were tech trainers, so not at all involved in their work), and while they were always professional and respectful, and I was, too, every chance I got to slightly fuck with them I did. Our male gay employees always went as their most flamboyant selves and volunteered for the opportunity to make the assholes squirm.
It makes me wish I believe in the hell they think is so real and scary. If anyone deserves it...
Also, fuck everyone who enabled and helped him cover up all those many years ago.
His parents were the worst enablers! They wouldn’t let him go to normal treatment after he molested his sisters Bc they didn’t want him to be around worldly sinners, so they sent him to a “church rehab”. Ugh. So sad.
2. Since we all seem to want to use correct language, "child porn" is no longer considered appropriate as it puts the onus of the abuse on the child. The language used is "child sexual abuse imagery/meia."
Dude Focus on the Family is absolutely a hate group.
I agree with you personally, but I don't the SPLC labels them as such, but they do for FRC. I was referring to that designation not what I think about them which is that they're evil and hateful and cause irreparable harm to children.
I've unfortunately had to have a lot of professional interaction with FoTF (we were tech trainers, so not at all involved in their work), and while they were always professional and respectful, and I was, too, every chance I got to slightly fuck with them I did. Our male gay employees always went as their most flamboyant selves and volunteered for the opportunity to make the assholes squirm.
All due respect to the SPLC but they’re not the final or only arbiter of what constitutes a hate group.
To those that are shocked more Duggar kids haven’t distanced themselves from IFB, it should really be more shocking that it appears Jill may be. These kids have been trained from the jump to question all outsiders, that the world is evil, and have been trained to control their own thoughts and emotions in line with the IFB beliefs. It’s extremely hard to overcome mind control.
This is so true. I'm currently reading "Unfollow" about "Loving and Leaving the Westboro Baptist Church." The author is very clear about how they were taught about the outside world. And when her brother left, the message on him changed INSTANTLY. He instantly became evil, one of "them" and they completely turned their backs on him. To the extent that it sounds like she felt she needed to change the number of people in her family. She describes how odd that was going from being BFFs with her brother to him being complete evil literally overnight. (He left in the middle of the night.)
The difference between the two, however, is that the Westboro kids went to public school. Their mother felt that the kids needed to know the evils they were against and was sufficiently confident in her brainwashing that they didn't even consider that the kids would be swayed by it. Those kids had an out. Connections to the outside world. The Duggar kids do not. They are taught that everyone on the outside is evil. And someone tryin to rescue them from their cult is actually the work of the devil. And honestly, it goes back generations. Unless Jim Bob and Michelle started this, they're simply a product of their upbringing, too. The cycle just continues.
Hopefully it'll stop with Jill...and hopefully others will follow closely behind.
To those that are shocked more Duggar kids haven’t distanced themselves from IFB, it should really be more shocking that it appears Jill may be. These kids have been trained from the jump to question all outsiders, that the world is evil, and have been trained to control their own thoughts and emotions in line with the IFB beliefs. It’s extremely hard to overcome mind control.
This is so true. I'm currently reading "Unfollow" about "Loving and Leaving the Westboro Baptist Church." The author is very clear about how they were taught about the outside world. And when her brother left, the message on him changed INSTANTLY. He instantly became evil, one of "them" and they completely turned their backs on him. To the extent that it sounds like she felt she needed to change the number of people in her family. She describes how odd that was going from being BFFs with her brother to him being complete evil literally overnight. (He left in the middle of the night.)
The difference between the two, however, is that the Westboro kids went to public school. Their mother felt that the kids needed to know the evils they were against and was sufficiently confident in her brainwashing that they didn't even consider that the kids would be swayed by it. Those kids had an out. Connections to the outside world. The Duggar kids do not. They are taught that everyone on the outside is evil. And someone tryin to rescue them from their cult is actually the work of the devil. And honestly, it goes back generations. Unless Jim Bob and Michelle started this, they're simply a product of their upbringing, too. The cycle just continues.
Hopefully it'll stop with Jill...and hopefully others will follow closely behind.
I don't know about Jim Bob, but Michelle grew up in a non-religious household and has spoken before about kissing other boys before Jim Bob and how she regrets it now. I believe she was also a cheerleader in high school and so was showing her thighs then. She had a very, very different upbringing from her own daughters.
It makes me wish I believe in the hell they think is so real and scary. If anyone deserves it...
Also, fuck everyone who enabled and helped him cover up all those many years ago.
His parents were the worst enablers! They wouldn’t let him go to normal treatment after he molested his sisters Bc they didn’t want him to be around worldly sinners, so they sent him to a “church rehab”. Ugh. So sad.
And "church rehab" was just doing some remodel work for a church family. And having him talk to a state trooper who was a friend of the family who later went to prison for possession of child abuse imagery/media (was released once, re-offended and is now serving a sentence that should keep in prison for the rest of his life).
This is so true. I'm currently reading "Unfollow" about "Loving and Leaving the Westboro Baptist Church." The author is very clear about how they were taught about the outside world. And when her brother left, the message on him changed INSTANTLY. He instantly became evil, one of "them" and they completely turned their backs on him. To the extent that it sounds like she felt she needed to change the number of people in her family. She describes how odd that was going from being BFFs with her brother to him being complete evil literally overnight. (He left in the middle of the night.)
The difference between the two, however, is that the Westboro kids went to public school. Their mother felt that the kids needed to know the evils they were against and was sufficiently confident in her brainwashing that they didn't even consider that the kids would be swayed by it. Those kids had an out. Connections to the outside world. The Duggar kids do not. They are taught that everyone on the outside is evil. And someone tryin to rescue them from their cult is actually the work of the devil. And honestly, it goes back generations. Unless Jim Bob and Michelle started this, they're simply a product of their upbringing, too. The cycle just continues.
Hopefully it'll stop with Jill...and hopefully others will follow closely behind.
I don't know about Jim Bob, but Michelle grew up in a non-religious household and has spoken before about kissing other boys before Jim Bob and how she regrets it now. I believe she was also a cheerleader in high school and so was showing her thighs then. She had a very, very different upbringing from her own daughters.
Yup. This. And she didn't even want kids until she had a miscarriage and that is when she changed to "we will have all the kids god wants us to have". She used to use birth control!