AA and Southwest no alcohol sales till 9/14

[babsbunny]

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A few stupid people ruining it for the rest of people. I support this, but people will/do just get drunk in airports instead. Maybe have a limit of 2 per passenger per flight? 

I am all for harsher penalties for physical abuse of flight attendents or other passengers. It is much too dangerous when it happens in confined spaces.

[af1212]

Just read the article. It says the woman who assaulted the FA will be permanently banned from southwest. Is there no way to ban her from any airline? That seems more appropriate.

[aurora]

It's a bit easier to get drunk on a plane than in an airport, I think (you're stuck in one spot for hours, not running around to make your connection). I'm fine with airlines deciding not to serve alcohol if it makes their flights go smoother. A restaurant can decline to serve alcohol, and if people want to drink with their meal they can choose a different restaurant.

[NewOrleans]

May 30, 2021 9:58:08 GMT -5 af1212 said:

Just read the article. It says the woman who assaulted the FA will be permanently banned from southwest. Is there no way to ban her from any airline? That seems more appropriate.

Yeah there’s no reason she can’t be on a no-fly list? Honestly.

[tacokick]

If you are very drunk from a restaurant they can refuse to let you on the flight.

If you get very drunk on the flight there a lot fewer options the airline can take, none of them are good and most would effect other passengers.

[af1212]

May 30, 2021 9:37:12 GMT -5 babsbunny said:

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A few stupid people ruining it for the rest of people. I support this, but people will/do just get drunk in airports instead. Maybe have a limit of 2 per passenger per flight? 

I am all for harsher penalties for physical abuse of flight attendents or other passengers. It is much too dangerous when it happens in confined spaces.

I believe there already is a limit of two drinks, isn't there?

[af1212]

May 30, 2021 10:28:09 GMT -5 af1212 said:

May 30, 2021 9:37:12 GMT -5 babsbunny said:

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A few stupid people ruining it for the rest of people. I support this, but people will/do just get drunk in airports instead. Maybe have a limit of 2 per passenger per flight? 

I am all for harsher penalties for physical abuse of flight attendents or other passengers. It is much too dangerous when it happens in confined spaces.

I believe there already is a limit of two drinks, isn't there?

Google tells me I’m wrong.

[Jalapeñomel]

There’s a post on ML about the rash of angry fighting on Spirit but sort of divulged into all airlines because wtf is the deal here??

[goldengirlz]

May 30, 2021 10:06:33 GMT -5 aurora said:

It's a bit easier to get drunk on a plane than in an airport, I think (you're stuck in one spot for hours, not running around to make your connection). I'm fine with airlines deciding not to serve alcohol if it makes their flights go smoother. A restaurant can decline to serve alcohol, and if people want to drink with their meal they can choose a different restaurant.

It sounds like you haven’t spent much time in airport bars! On planes at least you have to wait for the FAs to come through with the beverage service (usually only 1-3 times depending on flight length.) And they only serve those little bottles. In airport bars, you can buy a 20 ounce beer with a shot — and keep ‘em coming. Also, in the Before Times, I was frequently trapped for hours in one spot waiting for a delayed flight. I’ve boarded many a flight completely tipsy after having a few rounds of drinks (not proud of this fact, but sometimes boredom would win out). The only times I’ve gotten drunk on a plane were in first.

Ultimately, airlines can do what they want but it seems like they’re tackling the symptoms of the problem (unruly passengers) rather than the problem itself, which is that their cost-cutting measures have made flying downright miserable and stressful and people are at their breaking point. Also, I’m sure AA will continue to serve alcohol in first/business, which probably says something about which passengers they want to keep happy.

[VillainV]

I’d love to see the airport bars held responsible if they over-serve a passenger who ends up causing trouble on a flight. I realize that legal recourse is unlikely, but maybe the airline could fine them or the airport could revoke their ability to serve alcohol?

[aurora]

May 30, 2021 12:23:32 GMT -5 goldengirlz said:

May 30, 2021 10:06:33 GMT -5 aurora said:

It's a bit easier to get drunk on a plane than in an airport, I think (you're stuck in one spot for hours, not running around to make your connection). I'm fine with airlines deciding not to serve alcohol if it makes their flights go smoother. A restaurant can decline to serve alcohol, and if people want to drink with their meal they can choose a different restaurant.

It sounds like you haven’t spent much time in airport bars! On planes at least you have to wait for the FAs to come through with the beverage service (usually only 1-3 times depending on flight length.) And they only serve those little bottles. In airport bars, you can buy a 20 ounce beer with a shot — and keep ‘em coming. Also, in the Before Times, I was frequently trapped for hours in one spot waiting for a delayed flight. I’ve boarded many a flight completely tipsy after having a few rounds of drinks (not proud of this fact, but sometimes boredom would win out). The only times I’ve gotten drunk on a plane were in first.

Ultimately, airlines can do what they want but it seems like they’re tackling the symptoms of the problem (unruly passengers) rather than the problem itself, which is that their cost-cutting measures have made flying downright miserable and stressful and people are at their breaking point. Also, I’m sure AA will continue to serve alcohol in first/business, which probably says something about which passengers they want to keep happy.

LOL. I mean, I've been to airport bars, but I rarely spend more than about an hour at one.

On the other hand, I remember the Lufthansa flight attendants coming through with alcohol (free wine, beer, and liquor) 9 times on my 9-hr direct flight to Frankfurt, then telling passengers they could get up to help themselves when the service was done. This was in coach. Admittedly, German airlines probably have a different perspective then many in the US.

ETA I do agree that many airlines continue to make flying more and more uncomfortable - I won't argue that point!

[eddy]

I am flying AA in two weeks. I love a flight cocktail. I am also totally fine with this. I would rather forgo then deal with belligerence.

[basilosaurus]

I got totally wasted on a flight from Tokyo to Dallas. My seatmate figured out we could order doubles, so when I came back from the lav the entire tray on the empty seat between us was completely filled. She and I drunk talked the whole time. And I love a good drink in the airport lounge on occasion. But I have no problem with this ban.

I did board once completely drunk. I had a 12 hour layover in LA after a red eye first leg. My cousin picked me up and wanted to show me a good time. Bloodys for breakfast. Grog for cocktails. A couple bottles of wine with dinner. Oy vey. I'm shocked they let me board in retrospect. But I was a very compliant passenger as I basically just passed out for the entire 10+hr flight.

[Jalapeñomel]

May 31, 2021 9:25:17 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

I got totally wasted on a flight from Tokyo to Dallas. My seatmate figured out we could order doubles, so when I came back from the lav the entire tray on the empty seat between us was completely filled. She and I drunk talked the whole time. And I love a good drink in the airport lounge on occasion. But I have no problem with this ban.

I did board once completely drunk. I had a 12 hour layover in LA after a red eye first leg. My cousin picked me up and wanted to show me a good time. Bloodys for breakfast. Grog for cocktails. A couple bottles of wine with dinner. Oy vey. I'm shocked they let me board in retrospect. But I was a very compliant passenger as I basically just passed out for the entire 10+hr flight.

I’ve flown intoxicated or buzzed lots of times, but like you, I know how to hold my liquor. Some people are just assholes, and you get them tipsy or drunk, then they turn into lunatics.

[jlt19]

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I'll be so mad if I don't get to drink on my 8.5 hour AA flight to Hawaii with my children. It was my only plan for surviving!

[meganew]

May 31, 2021 14:40:58 GMT -5 jlt19 said:

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I'll be so mad if I don't get to drink on my 8.5 hour AA flight to Hawaii with my children. It was my only plan for surviving!

Can’t you still bring your own? I’ve never bought a cocktail on a flight because I’m cheap- but I have brought the tiny liquor bottles in a ziplock bag in my carry on and then ordered a soda and mixed it myself! Lol

[bears]

May 31, 2021 20:11:23 GMT -5 meganew said:

May 31, 2021 14:40:58 GMT -5 jlt19 said:

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I'll be so mad if I don't get to drink on my 8.5 hour AA flight to Hawaii with my children. It was my only plan for surviving!

Can’t you still bring your own? I’ve never bought a cocktail on a flight because I’m cheap- but I have brought the tiny liquor bottles in a ziplock bag in my carry on and then ordered a soda and mixed it myself! Lol

This is illegal. A few years ago, some college kids were mixing their own drinks on the plane and the FA told them to knock it off and put it away.

thepointsguy.com/guide/planes-alcohol-bring-your-own/

[pixy0stix]

May 31, 2021 20:17:40 GMT -5 bears said:

May 31, 2021 20:11:23 GMT -5 meganew said:

Can’t you still bring your own? I’ve never bought a cocktail on a flight because I’m cheap- but I have brought the tiny liquor bottles in a ziplock bag in my carry on and then ordered a soda and mixed it myself! Lol

This is illegal. A few years ago, some college kids were mixing their own drinks on the plane and the FA told them to knock it off and put it away.

thepointsguy.com/guide/planes-alcohol-bring-your-own/

My last flight the FA actually said this as part of the announcements. It was the first time I've heard them do so.

[breezy8407]

May 31, 2021 21:38:31 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

May 31, 2021 20:17:40 GMT -5 bears said:

This is illegal. A few years ago, some college kids were mixing their own drinks on the plane and the FA told them to knock it off and put it away.

thepointsguy.com/guide/planes-alcohol-bring-your-own/

My last flight the FA actually said this as part of the announcements. It was the first time I've heard them do so.

Same here, and I realized it was the first time I've heard them say that. I'm sure people were bringing their own when airlines weren't serving because of Covid. 

I've flown Delta lately and they are very strict with masks, too. They announced keeping them on and how to properly wear them at least three times, and I heard the FA's tell people around me to get them over their nose repeatedly. 

[neverfstop]

FWIW- I fly all the time. Since COVID, services have been very limited, both in coach & first class. I only fly United, so I can only speak to what they are doing. Most airports also now sell alcohol (beer/wine) in the convenience store shops that you can grab & go to drink while in the airport. I have noticed increased announcements about not bringing your own drinks on board & airlines seem to be slowly loosening restrictions on food/drinks on planes.

[jlt19]

May 31, 2021 20:11:23 GMT -5 meganew said:

May 31, 2021 14:40:58 GMT -5 jlt19 said:

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I'll be so mad if I don't get to drink on my 8.5 hour AA flight to Hawaii with my children. It was my only plan for surviving!

Can’t you still bring your own? I’ve never bought a cocktail on a flight because I’m cheap- but I have brought the tiny liquor bottles in a ziplock bag in my carry on and then ordered a soda and mixed it myself! Lol

Not that we're fancy (just got an amazing points deal), but we're flying first class, so I wanna drink the free stuff!

[jlt19]

May 31, 2021 20:17:40 GMT -5 bears said:

May 31, 2021 20:11:23 GMT -5 meganew said:

Can’t you still bring your own? I’ve never bought a cocktail on a flight because I’m cheap- but I have brought the tiny liquor bottles in a ziplock bag in my carry on and then ordered a soda and mixed it myself! Lol

This is illegal. A few years ago, some college kids were mixing their own drinks on the plane and the FA told them to knock it off and put it away.

thepointsguy.com/guide/planes-alcohol-bring-your-own/

College kids are so dumb, they were probably pouring the bottles into the cups while the FA was serving the other side of the aisle.

[bears]

Jun 1, 2021 9:03:28 GMT -5 jlt19 said:

May 31, 2021 20:17:40 GMT -5 bears said:

This is illegal. A few years ago, some college kids were mixing their own drinks on the plane and the FA told them to knock it off and put it away.

thepointsguy.com/guide/planes-alcohol-bring-your-own/

College kids are so dumb, they were probably pouring the bottles into the cups while the FA was serving the other side of the aisle.

You've got it--they were actually sharing it with random passengers while the FAs were doing beverage service.

[Michelle]

May 31, 2021 9:25:17 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

I got totally wasted on a flight from Tokyo to Dallas. My seatmate figured out we could order doubles, so when I came back from the lav the entire tray on the empty seat between us was completely filled. She and I drunk talked the whole time. And I love a good drink in the airport lounge on occasion. But I have no problem with this ban.

I did board once completely drunk. I had a 12 hour layover in LA after a red eye first leg. My cousin picked me up and wanted to show me a good time. Bloodys for breakfast. Grog for cocktails. A couple bottles of wine with dinner. Oy vey. I'm shocked they let me board in retrospect. But I was a very compliant passenger as I basically just passed out for the entire 10+hr flight.

I had a red-eye from Alaska to Texas that didn't leave until 2a. So my brother (whom i was visiting) took me out for a Karaoke night on the way to the airport, lol. This was pre-911 so you didn't have to get there really early either.

I fell asleep before the plane even fully boarded.

As we sat waiting for people to board, I heard someone snoring. I opened my eyes to see who it was but it had just stopped. I closed my eyes back and again heard annoying snoring. Again, opened my eyes, but I just missed them. The guy next to me was giggling though, and I kind of motioned like, "annoying snorer, right?" He just giggled more.

Well I guess I then passed out because the snorer didn't wake me for quite some time. All of a sudden I snorted myself awake with one of those sleep apnea snorts and everyone around me started laughing. I looked at the giggling guy and asked, "was that ME snoring the whole time?" He couldn't gain composure and red-faced, dying of laughter, he nodded yes as tears streamed down his face.

I have never over consumed before/on a plane since then.

[Michelle]

I really feel for flight crews these days.

Pandemic anti-maskers
Anti-vaxxers
Anxious passengers afraid to get COVID

etc.

Not an easy job for sure.

[goldengirlz]

Jun 1, 2021 9:01:20 GMT -5 jlt19 said:

May 31, 2021 20:11:23 GMT -5 meganew said:

Can’t you still bring your own? I’ve never bought a cocktail on a flight because I’m cheap- but I have brought the tiny liquor bottles in a ziplock bag in my carry on and then ordered a soda and mixed it myself! Lol

Not that we're fancy (just got an amazing points deal), but we're flying first class, so I wanna drink the free stuff!

I’m sure they’ll continue to serve it in first. I know that during the pandemic, first was the only cabin that got alcohol.

ETA: It’s a good point about people trying to sneak drinks on board. I know quite a few people who drink alcohol on planes because they’re fearful flyers. That’s not to say I condone it, but it doesn’t surprise me either.

[msmerymac]

May 30, 2021 12:23:32 GMT -5 goldengirlz said:

May 30, 2021 10:06:33 GMT -5 aurora said:

It's a bit easier to get drunk on a plane than in an airport, I think (you're stuck in one spot for hours, not running around to make your connection). I'm fine with airlines deciding not to serve alcohol if it makes their flights go smoother. A restaurant can decline to serve alcohol, and if people want to drink with their meal they can choose a different restaurant.

It sounds like you haven’t spent much time in airport bars! On planes at least you have to wait for the FAs to come through with the beverage service (usually only 1-3 times depending on flight length.) And they only serve those little bottles. In airport bars, you can buy a 20 ounce beer with a shot — and keep ‘em coming. Also, in the Before Times, I was frequently trapped for hours in one spot waiting for a delayed flight. I’ve boarded many a flight completely tipsy after having a few rounds of drinks (not proud of this fact, but sometimes boredom would win out). The only times I’ve gotten drunk on a plane were in first.

Ultimately, airlines can do what they want but it seems like they’re tackling the symptoms of the problem (unruly passengers) rather than the problem itself, which is that their cost-cutting measures have made flying downright miserable and stressful and people are at their breaking point. Also, I’m sure AA will continue to serve alcohol in first/business, which probably says something about which passengers they want to keep happy.

I accidentally ended up SO hung over the day after a first class cross-country flight. Damn unlimited wine. Seriously, I only had 3 glasses (and then a beer or two after I landed when I met up with friends at a restaurant) but the dry cabin air stealthily dehydrates you too.

[aurora]

May 30, 2021 12:23:32 GMT -5 goldengirlz said:

May 30, 2021 10:06:33 GMT -5 aurora said:

It's a bit easier to get drunk on a plane than in an airport, I think (you're stuck in one spot for hours, not running around to make your connection). I'm fine with airlines deciding not to serve alcohol if it makes their flights go smoother. A restaurant can decline to serve alcohol, and if people want to drink with their meal they can choose a different restaurant.

It sounds like you haven’t spent much time in airport bars! ...

I'm not sure whether to post this in this thread or the one about drinking problems but I am currently doing research for the issue of drunken travel by sitting in an airport bar, drinking, alone.

😆

[goldengirlz]

Jun 2, 2021 16:07:24 GMT -5 aurora said:

May 30, 2021 12:23:32 GMT -5 goldengirlz said:

It sounds like you haven’t spent much time in airport bars! ...

I'm not sure whether to post this in this thread or the one about drinking problems but I am currently doing research for the issue of drunken travel by sitting in an airport bar, drinking, alone.

😆

I support this research!

I have an old friend from high school who more often than not emails me from airport bars — he always starts the emails with, “So I’m in an airport bar and that made me think of you...”

Clearly I have a reputation!

[basilosaurus]

Michelle, I'm dying!