Last week a kid whose family is really irresponsible about covid had a group sleepover and then went back to camp the next morning, where she was notorious for taking off her mask (because it bothered her to wear it when she coughed???wtf didn’t they boot her from camp for coughing?) and mocked my kid for wearing her mask calling her ‘little miss covid careful’
Guess who tested positive? And didn’t tell us even though they knew our girls had been in the same small group together? That family are such inconsiderate assholes. (In many ways). If I’d known they were sending their kid to the same camp we probably would have skipped it.
And the news just said delta variant is going around locally among kids. So we are home quarantining from exposure waiting for test results.
Oh no!!!! That’s horrible! Fingers crossed your kid doesn’t get it from those assholes!
Last week a kid whose family is really irresponsible about covid had a group sleepover and then went back to camp the next morning, where she was notorious for taking off her mask (because it bothered her to wear it when she coughed???wtf didn’t they boot her from camp for coughing?) and mocked my kid for wearing her mask calling her ‘little miss covid careful’
Guess who tested positive? And didn’t tell us even though they knew our girls had been in the same small group together? That family are such inconsiderate assholes. (In many ways). If I’d known they were sending their kid to the same camp we probably would have skipped it.
And the news just said delta variant is going around locally among kids. So we are home quarantining from exposure waiting for test results.
Oh no!!!! That’s horrible! Fingers crossed your kid doesn’t get it from those assholes!
I’m especially pissed because we were supposed to be spending this week helping a good friend with a medical crisis. But thanks to them, we can’t.
Last week a kid whose family is really irresponsible about covid had a group sleepover and then went back to camp the next morning, where she was notorious for taking off her mask (because it bothered her to wear it when she coughed???wtf didn’t they boot her from camp for coughing?) and mocked my kid for wearing her mask calling her ‘little miss covid careful’
Guess who tested positive? And didn’t tell us even though they knew our girls had been in the same small group together? That family are such inconsiderate assholes. (In many ways). If I’d known they were sending their kid to the same camp we probably would have skipped it.
And the news just said delta variant is going around locally among kids. So we are home quarantining from exposure waiting for test results.
Oh no!!!! That’s horrible! Fingers crossed your kid doesn’t get it from those assholes!
I’m especially pissed because we were supposed to be spending this week helping a good friend with a medical crisis. But thanks to them, we can’t.
I’m so sorry. At this point, sometimes I think I’m more worried about having to quarantine the family for a good share of the summer than the kids actually getting Covid itself. The kids have given up so much in the last year, and taking it away from them again is awful. I’m so sorry this family’s selfishness has put you in that situation. I would be absolutely livid. I hope she stays healthy and you’re able to see your friend soon.
apparently we are the only one of the kids exposed who are now quarantining for exposure. Including sleepover participants. The kids are all at different camps now. One family is going with ‘she isn’t showing any symptoms’ and neither testing nor isolating. another is running home tests and sending her in. The ‘no symptoms’ family is divorced. They are with dad. We were just starting to do things with the kids and mom (who is careful) last week (outdoors) but this is the end of that.
I'm curious how the EUA will go for young kids. I won't pretend to know what goes into an EUA, but *if* cases remain super low through the summer and there are good trial results publicized in September, I'm not necessarily sure the FDA would consider it an "emergency." If the biggest danger is kids spreading covid, but there's relatively little covid being spread *and* we see that complications in children continue to be rare...is that enough for an EUA?
The Delta variant could obviously change things with regard to child complications and increased spread. And, I also foresee a situation where there are covid outbreaks in the fall in places with low vaccination rates. There could be an emergency this fall in, say, Alabama where vaccinating kids could help curb the outbreak but there's no outbreak in, say, Vermont because damn near every adult there is already vaccinated, and presumably many teens too. How would state-by-state conditions factor into an EUA? Does it?
COVID was still a top 10 cause of death for young children. While cases are very low compared to last year, they’re still pretty high when it comes to risk levels for a potentially fatal disease, right? Anything is possible, but unanimous support at the last ACIP meeting with a ton of slides on how covid is a serious threat to children leads me to believe (hope?) young children won’t be delayed access if the safety and efficacy data is comparable to what we’ve seen in 12+
apparently we are the only one of the kids exposed who are now quarantining for exposure. The kids are all at different camps now. One family is going with ‘she isn’t showing any symptoms’ and neither testing nor isolating. another is running home tests and sending her in. The ‘no symptoms’ family is divorced. They are with dad. We were just starting to do things with the kids and mom (who is careful) last week (outdoors) but this is the end of that.
So this is going to spread.
I’m sorry you’re surrounded by epic assholes and I hope your kid remains negative.
"Hello babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. On the outside, babies, you've got a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies-"God damn it, you've got to be kind.”
apparently we are the only one of the kids exposed who are now quarantining for exposure. The kids are all at different camps now. One family is going with ‘she isn’t showing any symptoms’ and neither testing nor isolating. another is running home tests and sending her in. The ‘no symptoms’ family is divorced. They are with dad. We were just starting to do things with the kids and mom (who is careful) last week (outdoors) but this is the end of that.
So this is going to spread.
Part of the problem is that even state health departments are giving conflicting information and people don’t know who to believe anymore. While your state may be clear, people may see guidelines from other states and think that those states are more trustworthy than yours. (I know I personally don’t trust ours and look to others for guidance, so it stands to reason that others would do the same.) According to Iowa Department of Public Health, they don’t have to quarantine. (I’m not saying that’s right, just that it’s the recommendation. It’s complete nonsense and the reason why you will soon see Iowa listed with Missouri and the others with increasing cases…but some people are minimally informed and believe that they can trust their Department of Public Health. They should, but obviously in Iowa, that’s not the case.)
Straight from IDPH’s website: “We are concurrently revising our COVID-19 guidance for school and child care settings, including quarantine guidance, to recommend that while COVID-19 positive and symptomatic children should be excluded, exposed children should no longer be required to stay home, regardless of mask usage. Moreover, when there is a positive case, parents should be given information around exposure to COVID-19 in order to make their own informed decisions regarding risk. To that end, while we acknowledge that some parents may want their child to continue to wear a cloth face covering for reasons that make sense for their family or that child’s individual health condition, we urge schools and child care settings to provide parents and students with the option to make their own decision about mask usage.”
apparently we are the only one of the kids exposed who are now quarantining for exposure. The kids are all at different camps now. One family is going with ‘she isn’t showing any symptoms’ and neither testing nor isolating. another is running home tests and sending her in. The ‘no symptoms’ family is divorced. They are with dad. We were just starting to do things with the kids and mom (who is careful) last week (outdoors) but this is the end of that.
So this is going to spread.
Straight from IDPH’s website: “We are concurrently revising our COVID-19 guidance for school and child care settings, including quarantine guidance, to recommend that while COVID-19 positive and symptomatic children should be excluded, exposed children should no longer be required to stay home, regardless of mask usage. Moreover, when there is a positive case, parents should be given information around exposure to COVID-19 in order to make their own informed decisions regarding risk. .”
so if you spend the night at a house (and in the same room) where three people then test positive it’s okay to just keep on keeping on? Well that’s a gift to the delta variant.
apparently we are the only one of the kids exposed who are now quarantining for exposure. The kids are all at different camps now. One family is going with ‘she isn’t showing any symptoms’ and neither testing nor isolating. another is running home tests and sending her in. The ‘no symptoms’ family is divorced. They are with dad. We were just starting to do things with the kids and mom (who is careful) last week (outdoors) but this is the end of that.
So this is going to spread.
Part of the problem is that even state health departments are giving conflicting information and people don’t know who to believe anymore. While your state may be clear, people may see guidelines from other states and think that those states are more trustworthy than yours. (I know I personally don’t trust ours and look to others for guidance, so it stands to reason that others would do the same.) According to Iowa Department of Public Health, they don’t have to quarantine. (I’m not saying that’s right, just that it’s the recommendation. It’s complete nonsense and the reason why you will soon see Iowa listed with Missouri and the others with increasing cases…but some people are minimally informed and believe that they can trust their Department of Public Health. They should, but obviously in Iowa, that’s not the case.)
Straight from IDPH’s website: “We are concurrently revising our COVID-19 guidance for school and child care settings, including quarantine guidance, to recommend that while COVID-19 positive and symptomatic children should be excluded, exposed children should no longer be required to stay home, regardless of mask usage. Moreover, when there is a positive case, parents should be given information around exposure to COVID-19 in order to make their own informed decisions regarding risk. To that end, while we acknowledge that some parents may want their child to continue to wear a cloth face covering for reasons that make sense for their family or that child’s individual health condition, we urge schools and child care settings to provide parents and students with the option to make their own decision about mask usage.”
Yes, this. I am fairly certain there will be no quarantines next year. It will be like the flu, colds, etc. Stay home if you have a fever or symptoms otherwise KOKO. Which honestly 2 weeks was pretty excessive and lead people to not test. This whole reversal back to 2019 is not great either though. Let’s learn no lessons here. Sounds right.
Straight from IDPH’s website: “We are concurrently revising our COVID-19 guidance for school and child care settings, including quarantine guidance, to recommend that while COVID-19 positive and symptomatic children should be excluded, exposed children should no longer be required to stay home, regardless of mask usage. Moreover, when there is a positive case, parents should be given information around exposure to COVID-19 in order to make their own informed decisions regarding risk. .”
so if you spend the night at a house (and in the same room) where three people then test positive it’s okay to just keep on keeping on? Well that’s a gift to the delta variant.
This particular guideline was referring to schools, but no additional information/guidance has been given as far as other activities. I’m actually not even sure at this point what the recommendation is if someone in your home is positive. Honestly, I stopped following because it just made me angry. I’ll look it up if it ever directly/indirectly affects us, but I was spending too much mental energy being angry about others not following the rules. I can’t control them, so I had to let that go.
Given the extremely low number of kids that I see wearing masks in public now, I feel like Iowa is just a ticking time bomb. I hope I’m wrong, but Delta is already increasing around here. I’m thankful that the only activities were signed up for this summer are outdoors (swimming & tennis). I’m just hoping that’s enough. I hate that my kids have to miss another year of fun camps because so few people are wearing masks. (And it seems like most people aren’t even testing when symptomatic unless it gets bad.) When I go to target, less than 10% of people are wearing masks. Including kids.
lilac05, same situation here. No one wears masks. We are also mostly sticking to tennis and swim but it’s so hot already. We did do a volleyball camp that limited participants. Numbers just keep falling though so I don’t know what to think anymore.
Question not particular to kids, but I didn't see a recent general Covid thread. Does anyone have a link that says anything about people who have Covid antibodies from the end of last year being protected or not from the variants (particularly Delta)? I have a friend who had basically asymptomatic Covid and doesn't want to get the vaccine because of her own weird reasons and justifies it by saying she still has antibodies (she's been tested recently). But I was hoping to use the variants as a reason why she should still consider getting the vaccine.
I’m ready to lose it on someone in our town’s FB group. She’s been pretty vocal about being cautious this whole time, up until she got vaccinated. Now it’s like “we’re at herd immunity let’s open up! If you didn’t want to get vaccinated either that’s on you or you have such fragile health that anything can kill you, so that’s still on you!” I pointed out that for kids under 12 that’s not true (should have addressed the ableism too, that *is* on me) and covid is spreading at the same rate or higher among the unvaccinated. She basically responded “but we have herd immunity for the variants we currently have, we can’t stay closed forever.” Right, like we don’t know that Delta is barreling down on us, and we’ll know in time to shift our strategy, and people will actually go along with that shift, and it’s not your kid who is vulnerable in the meantime. I can’t let loose because I know too many people in there, but god she’s such a massively condescending douche canoe.
Question not particular to kids, but I didn't see a recent general Covid thread. Does anyone have a link that says anything about people who have Covid antibodies from the end of last year being protected or not from the variants (particularly Delta)? I have a friend who had basically asymptomatic Covid and doesn't want to get the vaccine because of her own weird reasons and justifies it by saying she still has antibodies (she's been tested recently). But I was hoping to use the variants as a reason why she should still consider getting the vaccine.
I just shared this elsewhere - it's a blog post from Dr. Francis Collins, head of the NIH, discussing a study showing the difference between natural immunity and immunity from a vaccine. Posted two days ago. Basically, it's showing that the vaccine provides broader protection than natural immunity.
In the opposite direction, I’m irritated my kids have to wear masks at their rec center camp this summer. Indoors? Sure. But the camp is at a playground, the kids are outside all day, and they have to be masked up unless actively eating or swimming. It just doesn’t make sense to me.
Apparently we aren’t even enforcing masks at children’s hospitals anymore, beyond the security checkpoint.
Stood outside to wait in the hallway for 45 min with my inmunocompromised newborn because a family with two teens all had masks around their chins or dangling from their ears while holding (not drinking) coffees in the enclosed/small waiting room.
Apparently we aren’t even enforcing masks at children’s hospitals anymore, beyond the security checkpoint.
Stood outside to wait in the hallway for 45 min with my inmunocompromised newborn because a family with two teens all had masks around their chins or dangling from their ears while holding (not drinking) coffees in the enclosed/small waiting room.
See ya’ll in 2022.
On the flip side, I was sooooo glad today at our hospital appointments that we didn’t get yelled at about a mask. My toddler tops out at about 30 min, and there was no way I was going to get it back on him after a painful appointment. They made him show a negative test to be seen, so I wasn’t going to fight him after putting him through awfulness already.
Also- why the heck is our hospital parking garage closed for covid? They want everyone going in one door. So that rules out the parking garage. They also have closed several lots recently for construction. Parking was a nightmare. Also no valet anymore due to covid precautions. I was in tears before we even got inside the hospital- to deal with checkups and procedures that have been delayed over a year now
Apparently we aren’t even enforcing masks at children’s hospitals anymore, beyond the security checkpoint.
Stood outside to wait in the hallway for 45 min with my inmunocompromised newborn because a family with two teens all had masks around their chins or dangling from their ears while holding (not drinking) coffees in the enclosed/small waiting room.
See ya’ll in 2022.
On the flip side, I was sooooo glad today at our hospital appointments that we didn’t get yelled at about a mask. My toddler tops out at about 30 min, and there was no way I was going to get it back on him after a painful appointment. They made him show a negative test to be seen, so I wasn’t going to fight him after putting him through awfulness already.
Also- why the heck is our hospital parking garage closed for covid? They want everyone going in one door. So that rules out the parking garage. They also have closed several lots recently for construction. Parking was a nightmare. Also no valet anymore due to covid precautions. I was in tears before we even got inside the hospital- to deal with checkups and procedures that have been delayed over a year now
Sorry your day was so stressful. Parking definitely sucks these days.
There are valid reasons for kids not being able to wear masks in medical settings. Coffee drinking isn’t one, IMO. I wish we could schedule those who require mask accommodations separately to meet their needs without exposing 8 week olds who are immunocompromised and presenting for urgent medical evaluations for conditions that increase their risk of pneumonia and hospitalization outside of covid.
This isn’t the first time we haven’t been able to appropriately distance in (packed) medical waiting rooms with poor mask compliance. I’m often sitting there wondering what the bigger risk to my child actually is. We couldn’t get a tongue tie clipped per ENT because of the small risk of infection with his medical history, but I’m shuffled from appt to appt for his swallowing impairment in a world that’s suddenly over covid precautions, even for the visibly vulnerable. Today we got to X-ray his airway while he drank barium to see how much goes down the wrong pipe. Fun!
My MIL apparently has COVID again. Her husband got vaccinated. Her Q-Anon sister (a nurse but definitely of the Trumper conspiracy theorist variety) got vaccinated. She still refuses to. And so she's sick AGAIN. She was in the hospital over Christmas with COVID. You'd think that a woman with a Master's would be educated enough to research and Get The Damn Shot. But newp.
@@@@@ A friend posted that there were anti-vax protesters at the Children's Hospital in Seattle. Where I need to take Kidlet for testing next week. I certainly hope I don't have to drive through a phalanx of idiots to get where we need to be.
Our district (including parents) has been quiet on masks for next year so far but I started noticing “Unmask our kids” signs popping up in yards in the next town over and there’s a petition going around for masks to be optional for public school students in the fall. All the people I know who homeschool their kids eagerly signed and shared it. 🙄 I have a feeling masks will be optional regardless (the only place I could maybe see them requiring it at this point is preK-5 schools) but I just get irritated by the people whose kids aren’t impacted by these decisions putting their names on stuff like that. Until my under 12s can be vaccinated, they still risk having to miss days/weeks of school to quarantine if exposed, not the homeschooled kids. 😕
Our district (including parents) has been quiet on masks for next year so far but I started noticing “Unmask our kids” signs popping up in yards in the next town over and there’s a petition going around for masks to be optional for public school students in the fall. All the people I know who homeschool their kids eagerly signed and shared it. 🙄 I have a feeling masks will be optional regardless (the only place I could maybe see them requiring it at this point is preK-5 schools) but I just get irritated by the people whose kids aren’t impacted by these decisions putting their names on stuff like that. Until my under 12s can be vaccinated, they still risk having to miss days/weeks of school to quarantine if exposed, not the homeschooled kids. 😕
Around here, the “unmask the children” crowd are also Trump supporters, anti-vaccination, covid hoaxers, and QAnon believers.