@@ Covid Thread - Week of 6/21

[sonrisa]

Jun 21, 2021 12:25:05 GMT -5 melmaria said:

The WHO recommends against vaccinating children for Covid-19, for now...

www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice

WHO SHOULD GET VACCINATED

There is not yet enough evidence on the use of vaccines against COVID-19 in children to make recommendations for children to be vaccinated against COVID-19.

No vaccines have even finished trials and published data for that age group. Of course there isn’t enough evidence yet. That’s what the trial/approval process is for.

I’m hoping we know more by this fall.

[meganew]

Jun 21, 2021 12:46:50 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

Jun 21, 2021 12:25:05 GMT -5 melmaria said:

The WHO recommends against vaccinating children for Covid-19, for now...

www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice

No vaccines have even finished trials and published data for that age group. Of course there isn’t enough evidence yet. That’s what the trial/approval process is for.

I’m hoping we know more by this fall.

But is this saying for kids between 12 and 18? I’m so confused.

[sonrisa]

Jun 21, 2021 13:05:20 GMT -5 melmaria said:

Jun 21, 2021 12:46:50 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

No vaccines have even finished trials and published data for that age group. Of course there isn’t enough evidence yet. That’s what the trial/approval process is for.

I’m hoping we know more by this fall.

?

There is preliminary data for ages 12+ already.  That's why it's been recommended for that group already in the US...

I must have misread the 18 as 12 because I swear that is what I saw first time through.

Interesting disparity. I wonder if availability is playing a role in the recommendation. Since it’s the WHO it’s recommendation would be focused on l trying to get the greatest protection worldwide. And on that macro level, skipping kids is a good way to make sure shots get into as many adult arms as possible.

[pixy0stix]

Jun 21, 2021 13:10:28 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

Jun 21, 2021 13:05:20 GMT -5 melmaria said:

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There is preliminary data for ages 12+ already.  That's why it's been recommended for that group already in the US...

I must have misread the 18 as 12 because I swear that is what I saw first time through.

Interesting disparity. I wonder if availability is playing a role in the recommendation. Since it’s the WHO it’s recommendation would be focused on l trying to get the greatest protection worldwide. And on that macro level, skipping kids is a good way to make sure shots get into as many adult arms as possible.

This is what I'm wondering as well.

[lea]

I can see not vaccinating kids in places where supply is limited, but I also just read that there is concern that the Delta variant will impact kids more this fall if our vaccination rates continue to lag.

[calamity]

My 12 year old had his first Pfizer vaccine, and it is very common with those in his class.

[penguingrrl]

My oldest already got both doses, and my middle is scheduled the day after her birthday. And I won’t breath until my 8 year old is vaccinated. But we have a super high risk individual in the household and an idiotic school district that has already gotten rid of both virtual learning and all mitigation efforts and has announced that beginning with ESY school will be “back to normal.”

[Roc A Bee]

Both my stepkids got both shots.

My bf is a teacher and working summer school. He had a positive student today. The three students around that positive case also were pulled from class. They are allowing them to continue the class in Canvas but there’s no Zoom- so essentially a self-paced course. But bf could have said nope- you have to drop. Summer school is fast paced.

If bf was not vaccinated, he would have to quit and be out $1200 for 2 weeks work. Since he is vaccinated, he can continue unless he gets symptoms.

I feel like Fall is going to be a shit show.

[fluffycookie]

Has anyone with a boy ramped their activities down post second shot? From what I have read it tends to show between days 3-7. DS goes for his second shot tomorrow. He boxes and classes are intense. I don’t think he will want to skip if he feels okay but I he has a high pain tolerance which makes me not trust him to stop if he feels off.

[formerlyak]

Jun 21, 2021 17:00:43 GMT -5 fluffycookie said:

Has anyone with a boy ramped their activities down post second shot? From what I have read it tends to show between days 3-7. DS goes for his second shot tomorrow. He boxes and classes are intense. I don’t think he will want to skip if he feels okay but I he has a high pain tolerance which makes me not trust him to stop if he feels off.

My DS golfed the two days after dose two and rode his bike several miles over the week post dose two. No issues.

[One Girl In All The World]

Jun 21, 2021 15:12:54 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Welp my oldest had both of his Pfizer doses already :/

Mine did too and I’m not sorry or concerned. My youngest had a sore throat today for the first time since before COVID and we’ve been a mess worrying if she’s going to get worse (it’s been a bad week. MIL died on Thursday and our nerves are shot right now) so I can’t wait for her to be eligible too.

[savan]

Jun 21, 2021 17:00:43 GMT -5 fluffycookie said:

Has anyone with a boy ramped their activities down post second shot? From what I have read it tends to show between days 3-7. DS goes for his second shot tomorrow. He boxes and classes are intense. I don’t think he will want to skip if he feels okay but I he has a high pain tolerance which makes me not trust him to stop if he feels off.

No.  DS did have a fever and other symptoms so he spent two days at home not doing much because he didn't feel well.  He was back to normal by day 3.

I know the concern is with boys, but DD swam with friends for 3 hours immediately following shot #2 and was back to competitive swim practice and soccer practice by 4 days out.  

Neither kid has shown any lasting side effects.

[cmeon]

The WHO vaccine recommendations don't always align with our practices- they took their sweet time warming up to recommending routine varicella/chickenpox vaccination, they still recommend against vaccinating males for HPV (citing financial impacts, not safety concerns) and they don't recommend the meningococcal vaccines for the U.S. (or other countries with infection rates classified as low). Different priorities.

DS(13) runs almost daily and only took a break the day after his second vaccine) because he felt a little crappy. He's over two weeks out from that, no concerns.

[InBetweenDays]

Jun 21, 2021 17:00:43 GMT -5 fluffycookie said:

Has anyone with a boy ramped their activities down post second shot? From what I have read it tends to show between days 3-7. DS goes for his second shot tomorrow. He boxes and classes are intense. I don’t think he will want to skip if he feels okay but I he has a high pain tolerance which makes me not trust him to stop if he feels off.

No. He was coincidentally done with lacrosse the weekend before his second shot. The day after he got it he was a bit lethargic, but the rest of the week he did activities as normal. He didn't have any super strenuous stuff scheduled but he biked around, we went camping and he kayaked and paddle boarded and ran around with friends.

[1confused1]

Jun 21, 2021 17:00:43 GMT -5 fluffycookie said:

Has anyone with a boy ramped their activities down post second shot? From what I have read it tends to show between days 3-7. DS goes for his second shot tomorrow. He boxes and classes are intense. I don’t think he will want to skip if he feels okay but I he has a high pain tolerance which makes me not trust him to stop if he feels off.

No, we are 11 days post second shot. He had zero side effects except for a sore arm. He played a double header baseball game yesterday in 90 degree heat and golfed all day today in a tournament without issue.

[aprilsails]

Yes o expect WHO’s recommendations are general. Most countries do not have access to the Pfizer vaccine which has been approved for 12-18. Most countries do not have adequate vaccine supply, so at this point it is best to target older adults.

[fluffycookie]

Thanks everyone! This makes me feel better and I know I was overthinking it, but he drives me crazy because he doesn't know when to stop sometimes.

[Velar Fricative]

I'm curious how the EUA will go for young kids. I won't pretend to know what goes into an EUA, but *if* cases remain super low through the summer and there are good trial results publicized in September, I'm not necessarily sure the FDA would consider it an "emergency." If the biggest danger is kids spreading covid, but there's relatively little covid being spread *and* we see that complications in children continue to be rare...is that enough for an EUA?

The Delta variant could obviously change things with regard to child complications and increased spread. And, I also foresee a situation where there are covid outbreaks in the fall in places with low vaccination rates. There could be an emergency this fall in, say, Alabama where vaccinating kids could help curb the outbreak but there's no outbreak in, say, Vermont because damn near every adult there is already vaccinated, and presumably many teens too. How would state-by-state conditions factor into an EUA? Does it?

[sonrisa]

I really hope they do approve it for the littles. Our friend’s kid has post covid diabetes (that’s what the doctor thinks triggered it because of timing and other factors). Yes, anecdote, but it makes me skittish. I want them protected.

(I was already wary of post childhood infection complications since I know people with lingering problems from other diseases - wheelchair bound by polio, hearing loss, lung problems, infertility. So knowing a kid already hit by this ratchets that up.)

[abs]

I think ultimately the FDA will give EUA to all kids for the Covid vaccine. I think the timing will be later than we think though and honestly I am okay with that. They are going to need more data for young kids than they did for adults. For adults (older ones especially) it was no question an emergency. For young kids that equation is different. Delta may change it but I sure hope we have enough vaccinated to keep it from becoming a huge issue. I do wish the FDA/CDC would give an update on what they are looking for though.

[eddy]

My son is 17 days out from his 2nd shot. We didn't adjust anything besides laying low that day after.

I did google myocarditis symptoms just to know what to look for. But we have had no concerns. He just went on a 3 mile run this AM for example.

[frlcb]

WHO's SAGE has now recommended that the Pfizer vaccine is suitable for kids 12 and up. I am trying to find a news article but an epidemiologist I follow on IG posted they changed it today.

[notsopicky]

Go or No? Outdoor party at my BFF's home on July 3, close friend group (but haven't laid eyes on them in a year b/c pandemic), H & I fully vaxxed, 10yo E not (obvi). Could be more people there than the immediate friend group, but I don't know--could be 10, could be 25. Outside, unless it rains. Pretty sure everyone in the friend group is vaxxed. Dad (70s) of the hosting couple's H will be there. My son can/should go, yes? And if yes, should he wear a mask? Babysitter not an option, b/c ours moved to FL and b/c of COVID, we haven't found a new one yet. Kids are welcome at this party.

I can't believe I'm asking this question, but here we are. I told the hosting couple that the 3 of us would wear masks if they want us to.

[noodleoo]

notsopicky, I would bring your son if it is outside.  I'm very comfortable with outside activities with my unvaxxed kids at this point.  If it is rains and they move it inside, I'd probably go alone to see my friends.  I have done indoor get togethers with one of family at a time where just the youngest kids are unvaxxed, but I'm not ready for a big group where I'm not sure who is/isn't vaxxed (INSIDE, outside I'm ok especially since vaccination rates in my area are very high).

[lemoncupcake]

Jun 23, 2021 8:05:18 GMT -5 notsopicky said:

Go or No? Outdoor party at my BFF's home on July 3, close friend group (but haven't laid eyes on them in a year b/c pandemic), H & I fully vaxxed, 10yo E not (obvi). Could be more people there than the immediate friend group, but I don't know--could be 10, could be 25. Outside, unless it rains. Pretty sure everyone in the friend group is vaxxed. Dad (70s) of the hosting couple's H will be there. My son can/should go, yes? And if yes, should he wear a mask? Babysitter not an option, b/c ours moved to FL and b/c of COVID, we haven't found a new one yet. Kids are welcome at this party.

I can't believe I'm asking this question, but here we are. I told the hosting couple that the 3 of us would wear masks if they want us to.

I would go. Have your kid wear a mask if they need to go inside (bathroom, etc).

[formerlyak]

Yesterday my older son went to a birthday celebration for one of his besties. It wasn’t really a party - just four kids go karting. All were vaccinated, and DS has his own helmet because he’ll if I’m going to let him out his head in the rental helmet since it covers the full face. He had so much fun and was so sad when he came home because it’s been so long since he went out with a group of friends that they didn’t want it to end. I’m glad he got to go.

[anodyne]

Jun 23, 2021 7:29:00 GMT -5 frlcb said:

WHO's SAGE has now recommended that the Pfizer vaccine is suitable for kids 12 and up. I am trying to find a news article but an epidemiologist I follow on IG posted they changed it today.

It's updated in the link the op posted:

www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice

More evidence is needed on the use of the different COVID-19 vaccines in children to be able to make general recommendations on vaccinating children against COVID-19.



WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy.



It's important for children to continue to have the recommended childhood vaccines.

[georgeglass]

Jun 23, 2021 7:29:00 GMT -5 frlcb said:

WHO's SAGE has now recommended that the Pfizer vaccine is suitable for kids 12 and up. I am trying to find a news article but an epidemiologist I follow on IG posted they changed it today.

Thank you - the update reads:


Children and adolescents tend to have milder disease compared to adults, so unless they are part of a group at higher risk of severe COVID-19, it is less urgent to vaccinate them than older people, those with chronic health conditions and health workers.

More evidence is needed on the use of the different COVID-19 vaccines in children to be able to make general recommendations on vaccinating children against COVID-19.

WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy.

[notsopicky]

noodleoo, lemoncupcake, thank you. I feel irrationally stressed out by trying to determine how to "reenter society".

[sonrisa]

Last week a kid whose family is really irresponsible about covid had a group sleepover and then went back to camp the next morning, where she was notorious for taking off her mask (because it bothered her to wear it when she coughed???wtf didn’t they boot her from camp for coughing?) and mocked my kid for wearing her mask calling her ‘little miss covid careful’

Guess who tested positive? And didn’t tell us even though they knew our girls had been in the same small group together? That family are such inconsiderate assholes. (In many ways). If I’d known they were sending their kid to the same camp we probably would have skipped it.

And the news just said delta variant is going around locally among kids. So we are home quarantining from exposure waiting for test results.