Post by litskispeciality on Dec 22, 2021 15:43:07 GMT -5
Thank you kadams767,, I pray that somehow the booster "fixes" things, or else I'm just getting older, and general COVID stress.
I also feel awful for those who work in COVID testing. The new last night said facilities are requiring Christmas Eve OT. People up here are waiting in line for HOURS for a test if they can find one. It doesn't have to be this way.
I feel pretty confident going through everyday life here. Everyone masks everywhere (I even send my kid with a mask to play dates — it’s expected), the vaccination rate is around 90% and my office is still mostly empty and I rarely see people during the week (I go in mostly for a change of scenery). I live in a place with good weather and we all socialize outdoors. We spend most weekends doing outdoor activities too. We can easily pull back on indoor dining again and not miss it.
3 out of the 10 unrelated people I know who got covid within the last 1-2 weeks live in the Bay Area and live/behave similarly. 2 of them are THE most covid cautious people I personally know (and they have not taken it well).
Anecdotes, I know, but *shrug*
I don't even know what to take away from this except that 70% of the people aren't from the Bay area lol.
I'm not sure why people are trying to rain on the "I'm not resigned to get COVID" parade of people. Nobody here is saying they are going without masks or are taking crazy risks so to tell people they more then likely will get COVID is just...something....
I think it's just statistically low that everyone won't get it at least once in their life, considering it will not be going away ever.
That's not a judgment, it just.. is.
eta what I think there is disagreement on what resigned means to this. Such as for me, I do think it's inevitable just statistically but I don't want to be an asshole to others and I still want to keep my family as safe as possible.
I think it's just statistically low that everyone won't get it at least once in their life, considering it will not be going away ever.
That's not a judgment, it just.. is.
Are there statistics on this?
I assume there are statistics for all the other endemics such as flus and colds, some of which are caused by a coronavirus. Probably not yet for Sars cov 19.
It is statistically low to never catch an endemic virus.
Maybe the poll then should be - when do you think you're going to get COVID because if you think it's bound to happen to everyone, then I'm not sure the point of the original poll.
I've never gotten the flu. I've been getting a flu shot pretty much every year since college. I know COVID is more contagious, but I do think some people won't ever get it. Do I think I will? Yes. But I'm a pessimist and also really, really tired of all the precautions and have the ability to isolate myself pretty well if I do get sick so I've been and will probably continue to be a little more lax than some.
Do the people who say they've never had the flu get tested for the flu every time they feel ill?
I don't know if I've ever had it but I don't get tested. I just stay home when I'm sick.
I mean, to a certain extent this is an academic question. If a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it, etc.
If you catch something and your body neutralizes it and you never know, is that the same as “getting it” for the purposes of this poll? I’m not talking about for public health purposes (obviously, if an asymptomatic case is identified, you do need to follow all isolation requirements.) And I know that even asymptomatic cases of covid can produce long covid down the road.
But at a certain point, these but “are you absolutely, 100% SURE you were never a carrier for XYZ virus” questions are a bit silly.
I’m honestly surprised so many people in this poll aren’t resigned to getting it.
But I’m an eternal pessimist.
I think there are a number of people on here who are more covid cautious than you. So it stands to reason some are less ‘resigned’ than you.
And regional circumstances vary greatly.
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The school system my kids attend has 1,500 kids and has had less than 10 cases this year. Even if that multiplies 10 or 20 fold, it won’t look like where many other people live. even with a 5,000% increase in the case rate, most kids still wouldn’t get it. @@@ end
This surge is hitting at exactly the time when some people can naturally protect ourselves by avoiding crowds and indoor groups.
Original covid had an R0 of 2.5. delta was more like 7. Omicron is suspected to be R0 10. A big increase from 2.5 but around mumps and chicken pox and lower than pertussis (15-17) or measles (16-18).
We might get it. I don’t feel resigned yet, though. But if we chose to return to 2019 levels of interactions/travel/indoor sctivites/restaurants, etc. then it would feel inevitable.
Well, some news stories just popped up on my phone with more info that omicron if milder than delta, so that does make me feel better!
Also, Walter Reed has developed some newer vaccine that is resistant to omicron and some other. So, there’s hope still people.
This is a good point too. Omicron is highly contagious but the peak is supposed to occur sometime in the next few months and then recede. I think it’s possible to avoid it. For sure, I hope the elderly and immunocompromised can avoid it. Like my mom.
And if people counter with, well, what about the next 50 years!?! Who’s to say we won’t have better vaccines by then.
I’m resigned to getting it because I will have a ton of exposure to unvaxed and unmasked people in January-April. But I’m wearing a mask because I’m still hopeful that it will reduce the viral load, somehow? I don’t know if that’s real science or just wishful thinking.
Do the people who say they've never had the flu get tested for the flu every time they feel ill?
I don't know if I've ever had it but I don't get tested. I just stay home when I'm sick.
I've never been sick enough that I've even suspected I've had the flu. Maybe I have. But it was suuuuuuper mild, if so. I can't remember even having a fever as an adult.
I’m honestly surprised so many people in this poll aren’t resigned to getting it.
But I’m an eternal pessimist.
I think there are a number of people on here who are more covid cautious than you. So it stands to reason some are less ‘resigned’ than you.
And regional circumstances vary greatly. The school system my kids attend has 1,500 kids and has had less than 10 cases this year. Even if that multiplies 10 or 20 fold, it won’t look like where many other people live. even with a 5,000% increase in the case rate, most kids still wouldn’t get it. This surge is hitting at exactly the time when some people can naturally protect ourselves by avoiding crowds and indoor groups.
Original covid had an R0 of 2.5. delta was more like 7. Omicron is suspected to be R0 10. A big increase from 2.5 but around mumps and chicken pox and lower than pertussis (15-17) or measles (16-18).
We might get it. I don’t feel resigned yet, though. But if we chose to return to 2019 levels of interactions/travel/indoor sctivites/restaurants, etc. then it would feel inevitable.
Whoa 1,500 students for the whole school system?! Like elementary through high school? The junior high DD will attend next year has that many students. 😂. Sorry not the point at all I totally realize. I just forget how huge our district is sometimes.
Anyways I think we are all saying the same thing—that we don’t want Covid. Lifestyle and where you live may or may not make it more of a realistic goal. I know *for me* that if I want my kid to have a social life it means substantial risks because Texas. Same for myself. I’m ok with it. If I lived elsewhere I might feel differently. Right now my goal is to just not get Covid before Christmas. I know about 8 people that tested positive today alone so who knows. Omicron don’t play.
H and I just talked about this last night. I assume we will both get it at some point, but we aren't exactly "resigned" to it in that we continue to practice multiple mitigation measures.
ETA: I voted "no but resigned."
This is where we are as well. It seems more and more inevitable with each variant, so while we’re still trying to protect ourselves as best we can, we’re also trying to prepare for if/when we get it. For instance, I bought at-home tests for the first time when omicron came around, and we’ve already had occasion to use one (negative).
I am reassured by the reports of omicron being less virulent. But my mom is 85, and although she’s vaxxed and boosted, even this milder variant might be rough on her. So I asked her to ask her doctor what the steps would be to get her monoclonal antibodies quickly, etc.
Do the people who say they've never had the flu get tested for the flu every time they feel ill?
I don't know if I've ever had it but I don't get tested. I just stay home when I'm sick.
I mean, to a certain extent this is an academic question. If a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it, etc.
If you catch something and your body neutralizes it and you never know, is that the same as “getting it” for the purposes of this poll? I’m not talking about for public health purposes (obviously, if an asymptomatic case is identified, you do need to follow all isolation requirements.) And I know that even asymptomatic cases of covid can produce long covid down the road.
But at a certain point, these but “are you absolutely, 100% SURE you were never a carrier for XYZ virus” questions are a bit silly.
If someone is basing on them trying to never get covid by assuming they've never had the flu but they also aren't testing for flu with every sniffle and diarrhea session that is confusing to me.
The question isn't do you think you'll die from covid, and no I don't. But, for me, I think trying to never catch what will become an endemic for my next 60 years (here's hoping) is also confusing to me.
But I don't think anyone is silly or stupid for doing what they need or want to do to avoid illness.
Generally speaking I'm an incredibly pessimistic person, but I figure if I've managed to escape it so far (including after being exposed to my SIL who had a break through case and was at our house for hours) that I'm probably OK if I KOKO with how I've been doing with masks and limiting where I go - as someone said a page or so ago, being a childfree, introverted homebody helps a lot. Although I'm dying to go see a play and get back to international travel.
Also, now that I'm vax'd and boosted I'm significantly less freaked out at the prospects, especially with omicron looking to have milder symptoms. I have more chill after nearly 2 years of this than I did back in early 2020. I'd say at this point I'm not resigned to getting it, so much as I accept it as a possibility, not an inevitability.
I think there are a number of people on here who are more covid cautious than you. So it stands to reason some are less ‘resigned’ than you.
And regional circumstances vary greatly. The school system my kids attend has 1,500 kids and has had less than 10 cases this year. Even if that multiplies 10 or 20 fold, it won’t look like where many other people live. even with a 5,000% increase in the case rate, most kids still wouldn’t get it. This surge is hitting at exactly the time when some people can naturally protect ourselves by avoiding crowds and indoor groups.
Original covid had an R0 of 2.5. delta was more like 7. Omicron is suspected to be R0 10. A big increase from 2.5 but around mumps and chicken pox and lower than pertussis (15-17) or measles (16-18).
We might get it. I don’t feel resigned yet, though. But if we chose to return to 2019 levels of interactions/travel/indoor sctivites/restaurants, etc. then it would feel inevitable.
But that’s my point - my resignation has nothing to do with where I personally fall on the cautious scale, because the most cautious people I know - people way more cautious than me - are getting it!
It just seems inevitable, at some point in this lifetime.
(I need to get a life and stop engaging with this thread, LOL.)
I think the cautious people started shutting down within the week - too late to get out in front of omicron. Our biggest contagious event in the local paper (50 people) was a Christmas party on dec 12th that infected half the vaxed guest list. Even I was dining indoors at that time. Within a week, the cautious we’re back in our hides holes.
Although I’m in the ‘super cautious until we’ve celebrated Christmas with Nana’ camp. I may move over to the ‘we’ve gotta live more normally’ next week. Or I might just hunker down for early January. So I may become resigned *for us* or may stay mole people a little longer.
My personal magical thinking - if this does spread as hard and fast as you fear, perhaps we will hit enough herd immunity that we get though to a lower covid world, if that’s the case, waiting for February feels worth it.
If someone is basing on them trying to never get covid by assuming they've never had the flu but they also aren't testing for flu with every sniffle and diarrhea session that is confusing to me.
The question isn't do you think you'll die from covid, and no I don't. But, for me, I think trying to never catch what will become an endemic for my next 60 years (here's hoping) is also confusing to me.
But I don't think anyone is silly or stupid for doing what they need or want to do to avoid illness.
There is more of a clear differentiation of symptoms between the flu and a cold, this is silly.
No, they all have a lot of similar symptoms. Also covid too, and allergies lol
CDC says cough, sore throat, stuffy and runny nose, headache, and fatigue can all be flu.
And if you're flu vaccinated it can also help with severe symptoms, just like covid.
Before covid I never got virus tested, ever. But I then also assume I've had some flu viruses here and there because of that.
I mean, to a certain extent this is an academic question. If a tree falls in a forest and no one hears it, etc.
If you catch something and your body neutralizes it and you never know, is that the same as “getting it” for the purposes of this poll? I’m not talking about for public health purposes (obviously, if an asymptomatic case is identified, you do need to follow all isolation requirements.) And I know that even asymptomatic cases of covid can produce long covid down the road.
But at a certain point, these but “are you absolutely, 100% SURE you were never a carrier for XYZ virus” questions are a bit silly.
If someone is basing on them trying to never get covid by assuming they've never had the flu but they also aren't testing for flu with every sniffle and diarrhea session that is confusing to me.
The question isn't do you think you'll die from covid, and no I don't. But, for me, I think trying to never catch what will become an endemic for my next 60 years (here's hoping) is also confusing to me.
But I don't think anyone is silly or stupid for doing what they need or want to do to avoid illness.
i'm confused about your 60 year point. You think we're going to be dealing with COVID for the next 60 years? Am I reading that right?
If someone is basing on them trying to never get covid by assuming they've never had the flu but they also aren't testing for flu with every sniffle and diarrhea session that is confusing to me.
The question isn't do you think you'll die from covid, and no I don't. But, for me, I think trying to never catch what will become an endemic for my next 60 years (here's hoping) is also confusing to me.
But I don't think anyone is silly or stupid for doing what they need or want to do to avoid illness.
i'm confused about your 60 year point. You think we're going to be dealing with COVID for the next 60 years? Am I reading that right?
This virus isn't going away for good, yes that's what I meant. But I also hope to live for another 60 years 🤣
Yeah pretty much. Our county is mask optional at school, nobody cares at all. We are all vaxxed and 3 out of 4 of us are boosted that are old enough to be (administrative issue with SD2s account at Meijer and she has to call because she is over 18 so they won't talk to me but she is lazy and has to be reminded 384749 times).
I get the flu shot every year and have had the flu 3x in my life but I'm banking on it being mild for everyone in our family if we get it, like it is when I get the flu. Looking forward to that antiviral pill coming out next year, cause I do load up on that Tamiflu when I've had the flu and it would be nice to have a second safety net for Covid. I'm kind of surprised none of us have come down with it yet unless we did and had minor/no symptoms.