@@ Missouri House Bill 2810

[redheadbaker]

Introduced by Rep. Brian Seitz, HB 2810 includes language that classifies performing, or attempting to perform, an abortion on an ectropic pregnancy as a class A felony. 

www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills221/hlrbillspdf/5798H.01I.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2Wp33n90MXwvhdW_grPdLGQk5qC4L2v6AZuotyX8uYJU1WeWiP-ooKzNU

"The offense of trafficking abortion-inducing devices or drugs is a class A
11 felony if:
12 (1) The abortion was performed or induced or was attempted to be performed or
13 induced on a woman carrying an unborn child of more than ten weeks gestational age;
14 (2) The abortion was performed or induced or was attempted to be performed or
15 induced on a woman who has an ectopic pregnancy;" 

This is the same bill that would outlaw going out of state to get an abortion. 

[gretchenindisguise]

I grew up in MO. This is so insane.

[mrsukyankee]

This isn't about saving babies, because it's bio logically impossible. They hate women. And they don't care if they die.

[basilosaurus]

I know some catholics hospitals skirt the abortion prohibition for ectopic by allowing removal of the whole tube rather than using medication. Would this allow that?

Pro life my left nut. Untreated ectopic is critical situation for the mother that can quickly become fatal

[penguingrrl]

They’re officially admitting this has nothing to do with babies and is all about punishing women for being sexual.

[shauni27]

The rage I feel at these fucking people...

[Velar Fricative]

Thanks to the SCOTUS makeup, red states are passing or at least attempting to pass hateful legislation with impunity. And there's no punishment. I mean, I know the DOJ is working on trying to stop what they can but red state leaders are smart enough to know that they don't have the staffpower to go after every single piece of state legislation in the 23 states with R governors and R legislatures.

[Pom]

Mar 11, 2022 5:37:49 GMT -5 mrsukyankee said:

This isn't about saving babies, because it's bio logically impossible. They hate women. And they don't care if they die.

I can't like this. TOTALLY agree. 

[Deleted]

As someone who had an Ectopic Pregnancy rupture and nearly died, I find this beyond reprehensible.

[underwaterrhymes]

My heart rate just increased rapidly and I could tell my face was turning red.

These people suck. Denying women vital healthcare is state-sanctioned abuse and murder.

[chickadee77]

Wtf.

And also, I can't WAIT to see the mental gymnastics of conservative women who have already had treatment for ectopic pregnancies to somehow make it "right" in their new and extra jacked-up belief system.

I know several to whom I've warned this is coming, and they pooh-poohed me, saying ectopic would NEVER fall under abortion because it's "different."

[Bad Dingo]

Mar 11, 2022 8:03:48 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

I know some catholics hospitals skirt the abortion prohibition for ectopic by allowing removal of the whole tube rather than using medication. Would this allow that?

Pro life my left nut. Untreated ectopic is critical situation for the mother that can quickly become fatal

This wouldn't have saved my life (if it came to that), they couldn't even figure out where my ectopic pregnancy was, just that it wasn't in my uterus.

Rs are so fucked up.

[redheadbaker]

Mar 11, 2022 9:52:41 GMT -5 chickadee77 said:

I know several to whom I've warned this is coming, and they pooh-poohed me, saying ectopic would NEVER fall under abortion because it's "different."

Tell them about this guy: John Seago, the legislative director of Texas Right to Life, who wants abortion to be completely illegal in the US, full stop. He doesn't think abortions should be offered for miscarriages, because it "causes the death" of an embryo that WAS NEVER GOING TO LIVE ANYWAY. 

"I mean the euphemism of 'managing' a miscarriage or 'expediting' a miscarriage, that's a euphemism for causing the death of an unborn child," Seago said. "And that's what's clearly being opposed by the legislature."

www.npr.org/2021/10/01/1042209230/federal-judge-weighs-in-on-biden-administrations-attempt-to-block-texas-abortion

[rupertpenny]

So is this all pregnancies after 10 weeks except for ectopic where it is 100% not allowed? How many women with ectopic pregnancies would still be alive at 10 weeks?

[wanderingback]

Not surprising.

Oklahoma just passed a bill similar to Texas SB8, not sure when it’s going to go in to affect but likely soon.

By the summer half the states will likely be on their way to banning abortion all together. It is very tragic.

Continue to support local abortion funds and spread the word to people so they know they can order medication abortion pills online. Those are 2 concrete action steps that can help people.

[bronxgirl]

Actively trying to kill women in the name of "pro-life." Not surprising, but infuriating and disgusting.

[wildrice]

So basically if you have an ectopic pregnancy in MO, you are sentenced to die? What in the everloving fuck is that?

[Velar Fricative]

I feel like Missouri has changed so significantly during adult life (40 next month, first voted during the 2000 POTUS election lol). Not that it was ever a liberal bastion but it does have large cities and was a bit more swingy; it certainly wasn't this cesspool of far-right shit back in the day. Am I wrong?

[gretchenindisguise]

Mar 11, 2022 12:58:22 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

I feel like Missouri has changed so significantly during adult life (40 next month, first voted during the 2000 POTUS election lol). Not that it was ever a liberal bastion but it does have large cities and was a bit more swingy; it certainly wasn't this cesspool of far-right shit back in the day. Am I wrong?

You are not wrong. 

I assume you were also there during the Mel Carnahan years. www.sos.mo.gov/archives/history/historicallistings/governors

Lots of D Senators too: www.sos.mo.gov/archives/history/historicallistings/ussenators (why aren't these chronological too?) I still mourn the defeat of McCaskill. 

Shoot even the school district I went it is skewing. I literally spent my entire 10th grade year doing an intense research project for an honors class studying Censorship in the US, including obviously the history of banning books. That same district is now in headlines for CRT and attempts to ban books. 

[wanderingback]

Mar 11, 2022 11:42:15 GMT -5 rupertpenny said:

So is this all pregnancies after 10 weeks except for ectopic where it is 100% not allowed? How many women with ectopic pregnancies would still be alive at 10 weeks?

I'm not sure the exact answer to your question re: how many people with ectopic pregnancies would be alive at 10 weeks, but not all people with ectopic pregnancies are going to die. I recently had an ectopic pregnancy and my doctor was going over all the options with me since mine was caught very early. In some european countries it's more common to do expectant management when it's caught early to see if the body will re-absorb the embryo, instead of jumping straight to methotrexate or surgery. 

So I totally understand the outrage and ectopic pregnancies can cause morbidity and mortality, but that is not the point.
The point is that people deserve to make health care choices of their own. This is stripping people of that opportunity. Even if the bill was against people being able to get a hang nail removed, which likely won't kill you, it's still fucked up.

3 years ago Ohio tried to pass a bill that said doctors had to reimplant the ectopic pregnancy in the uterus, which is medically not possible at this time. So unfortunately none of this is new. Many of us are prepping for how bad things are going to get 6 months from now when abortion care is even less accessible in half the states, even moreso than it is now.

And it's very troubling that Biden has been silent about this. I really don't understand democratic strategy at all - I'm assuming it's a strategy to say silent about this stuff :/

[rupertpenny]

wanderingback, thanks, I didn't realize that the embryo was sometimes reabsorbed. I'm sorry for your loss.

I agree that everyone should be able to make their own choices. It is weird that a possibly viable pregnancy could be terminated at 8 weeks but an ectopic could not, but I guess assuming any of this would be logical is the first mistake.

[katespade]

Mar 11, 2022 14:42:10 GMT -5 rupertpenny said:

wanderingback, thanks, I didn't realize that the embryo was sometimes reabsorbed. I'm sorry for your loss.

I agree that everyone should be able to make their own choices. It is weird that a possibly viable pregnancy could be terminated at 8 weeks but an ectopic could not, but I guess assuming any of this would be logical is the first mistake.

The way I’m reading the full text of the bill is that anything outside of what’s specified in the Class A section would be considered a Class B felony.

8 2. The offense of trafficking abortion-inducing devices or drugs is a class B
9 felony.
10 3. The offense of trafficking abortion-inducing devices or drugs is a class A
11 felony if:
12 (1) The abortion was performed or induced or was attempted to be performed or
13 induced on a woman carrying an unborn child of more than ten weeks gestational age;
14 (2) The abortion was performed or induced or was attempted to be performed or
15 induced on a woman who has an ectopic pregnancy;

[wanderingback]

Also the TX Supreme Court ruled against a challenge that could’ve potentially put a stop to SB8 in TX. So yep it’s going to continue to stand until abortion is outright banned there and in other states.

[MixedBerryJam]

Mar 11, 2022 9:19:14 GMT -5 @sameoldstory said:

As someone who had an Ectopic Pregnancy rupture and nearly died, I find this beyond reprehensible.

Same. And when I first started hearing rumblings about this a year or so ago I assumed whoever was apoplectic about the bill was overreacting bc in what world would anyone actuallylegislate against medical care for an ectopic pregnancy. Holy shit.

[wanderingback]

No need to start a new thread….

Idaho is the latest state to pass a similar ban to abortion after 6 weeks like SB8 in Texas.


FL 15 week ban goes in affect July 1.

Abortion access was already shitty and I presume in the very near future people won’t be able to access abortion care in at least half the states in this country, regardless of what the Supreme Court ruling is in June.

Dark times, and why hasn’t Biden (or Harris) said anything or the word abortion?!?

[turboteal]

Missouri has also introduced a bill to make it illegal to help anyone obtain an abortion in another state where it is legal. Also enforced by allowing private citizens to sue the person who attempts to help the patient.

These will keep on being passed in anti choice states and they will probably tro to go further, like trying to have consequences for abortion providers in other states who help out of state patients. The Biden administration really needs to do something (much less say something 🙄). Prochoice states will need to take legal actions to keep their providers and the patients safe, like amending laws that currently ensure cooperation between their law enforcement/courts with other states, making sure insurance providers/medical boards can't deny service or privileges based on legal actions against them from other states re:legal (in their state) abortions, refusing to extradite providers, etc. The kind of stuff that makes my anarchist friend say that abolishing the police is a repro justice issue 🤷‍♀️