SL debt relief knocked down by SCOTUS too

[Velar Fricative]

www.marketwatch.com/story/supreme-court-knocks-down-bidens-student-debt-forgiveness-plan-30ba9892

[suzubell]

Ugh.

[gretchenindisguise]

Man. They are really ended this session with a flurry of garbage.

[StrawberryBlondie]

I have to read this thing to figure out how they decided there was standing. Because I'm stumped.

[wildrice]

I am bummed about this. I was about 50/50 on whether it would stand, so I held out hope. Should have known better.

[Velar Fricative]

Well, at least Congress has a chance to do the right thing now!! lolsob

[smock]

SCOTUS just loves to ruin June, doesn't it? Like a bear in reverse hibernation, at least they'll vanish until October.

[Bad Dingo]

This is just ridiculous.

Random rant - remember when people refused to support Hillary because they thought she wasn't strong enough on student loan forgiveness and then Trump got 3 Justices and here we are now.

[pixy0stix]

Jun 30, 2023 9:56:56 GMT -5 Bad Dingo said:

This is just ridiculous.

Random rant - remember when people refused to support Hillary because they thought she wasn't strong enough on student loan forgiveness and then Trump got 3 Justices and here we are now.

I wonder if student loan forgiveness is going to factor into the POTUS races from now on.

[idahome]

I am not at all surprised by this, but I am beyond frustrated.

And sure Congress will get right on this. @ssholes

[Jalapeñomel]

Jun 30, 2023 9:59:29 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jun 30, 2023 9:56:56 GMT -5 Bad Dingo said:

This is just ridiculous.

Random rant - remember when people refused to support Hillary because they thought she wasn't strong enough on student loan forgiveness and then Trump got 3 Justices and here we are now.

I wonder if student loan forgiveness is going to factor into the POTUS races from now on.

This was my initial thought as well. I think it has to, because a lot of people are really upset.

[imimahoney]

I think this was expected by the administration and I definitely think they will make it a campaign issue for 2024.

[msmerymac]

Jun 30, 2023 9:53:23 GMT -5 smock said:

SCOTUS just loves to ruin June, doesn't it? Like a bear in reverse hibernation, at least they'll vanish until October.

They are now free to go on vacation with Harlan Crow.

[AJL]

This is really disappointing.

[Velar Fricative]

Jun 30, 2023 10:16:18 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

Jun 30, 2023 9:59:29 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

I wonder if student loan forgiveness is going to factor into the POTUS races from now on.

This was my initial thought as well. I think it has to, because a lot of people are really upset.

Younger voter turnout is going to make a huge difference, so this will absolutely be a major issue for 2024 (and possibly beyond). 

[pixy0stix]

Jun 30, 2023 13:45:25 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Jun 30, 2023 10:16:18 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

This was my initial thought as well. I think it has to, because a lot of people are really upset.

Younger voter turnout is going to make a huge difference, so this will absolutely be a major issue for 2024 (and possibly beyond). 

I think both these comments miss my point? SCOTUS just said that it's not up to the President to be able to forgive loans. And personally, I never thought it was a presidential power either. I get the importance of loan forgiveness, but I think we've been barking up the wrong tree for several elections now. It feels like wasted time.

[wanderingback]

Jun 30, 2023 13:45:25 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Jun 30, 2023 10:16:18 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

This was my initial thought as well. I think it has to, because a lot of people are really upset.

Younger voter turnout is going to make a huge difference, so this will absolutely be a major issue for 2024 (and possibly beyond). 

I think what she’s saying is now (at least while we have these Supreme Court judges) it’s been decided that loan forgiveness isn’t something a president can do. I don’t know if there are any work arounds legally, so going forward are presidential candidates really going to be able to in good faith say "I’m going to cancel all your loans if you elect me." Obviously candidates stretch the truth all the time, but this seems like a shut case for the near future/next couple of elections.

[Velar Fricative]

Jun 30, 2023 14:54:48 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jun 30, 2023 13:45:25 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Younger voter turnout is going to make a huge difference, so this will absolutely be a major issue for 2024 (and possibly beyond). 

I think both these comments miss my point? SCOTUS just said that it's not up to the President to be able to forgive loans. And personally, I never thought it was a presidential power either. I get the importance of loan forgiveness, but I think we've been barking up the wrong tree for several elections now. It feels like wasted time.

1) We know that, but think about how many voters think the president is the almighty with all the power. People vote for a POTUS candidate for all sorts of reasons, a lot of which have nothing to do with POTUS. Even if erroneous, it’s a big enough issue that I think can be conflated with POTUS.

2) And for those who understand this doesn’t rest with POTUS, it’s a big election year for Congress too. If the Ds knew how to message things correctly (lolsob), they could tie this decision to Rs, I.e. Rs will offer zero chance for any kind of SL relief if that’s what a voter wants.

But I also did misconstrue the original point lol. Still though, the above is possible.

[Jalapeñomel]

Jun 30, 2023 14:54:48 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jun 30, 2023 13:45:25 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Younger voter turnout is going to make a huge difference, so this will absolutely be a major issue for 2024 (and possibly beyond). 

I think both these comments miss my point? SCOTUS just said that it's not up to the President to be able to forgive loans. And personally, I never thought it was a presidential power either. I get the importance of loan forgiveness, but I think we've been barking up the wrong tree for several elections now. It feels like wasted time.

I did, yes.

I was reading that the Higher Ed Act can be something that Biden can do (per a post by AOC), but I’m unfamiliar with this act or how it can be used.

www.aacrao.org/advocacy/issues/higher-education-act

Original IG post that prompted me to read the act:

http://instagram.com/p/CuHzcF0RoMT

[pixy0stix]

Jun 30, 2023 15:33:40 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

Jun 30, 2023 14:54:48 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

I think both these comments miss my point? SCOTUS just said that it's not up to the President to be able to forgive loans. And personally, I never thought it was a presidential power either. I get the importance of loan forgiveness, but I think we've been barking up the wrong tree for several elections now. It feels like wasted time.

I did, yes.

I was reading that the Higher Ed Act can be something that Biden can do (per a post by AOC), but I’m unfamiliar with this act or how it can be used.

www.aacrao.org/advocacy/issues/higher-education-act

Ok, but wasn't AOC pretty vocal about the president having the power to forgive student loans? 

I think the Ds have been fucking up pretty hard core with everything surrounding this issue. They haven't really been taking the time craft an air tight plan to push this gigantic plan through. When Biden rolled out his plan, it felt very slap dash. Even the orgs who were instrumental in rolling it out felt like they were cobbling together a plan on the fly. It didn't even take a strong breeze to make it all fall apart.

There's been a lot of D caterwauling about a ton of issues that have been pushed by the progressive Ds, but not a lot of meat. We need to switch strategies in a ton of things and not just hope that the president or any other one entity can get them done.

[Jalapeñomel]

Jun 30, 2023 15:46:27 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jun 30, 2023 15:33:40 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

I did, yes.

I was reading that the Higher Ed Act can be something that Biden can do (per a post by AOC), but I’m unfamiliar with this act or how it can be used.

www.aacrao.org/advocacy/issues/higher-education-act

Ok, but wasn't AOC pretty vocal about the president having the power to forgive student loans? 

I think the Ds have been fucking up pretty hard core with everything surrounding this issue. They haven't really been taking the time craft an air tight plan to push this gigantic plan through. When Biden rolled out his plan, it felt very slap dash. Even the orgs who were instrumental in rolling it out felt like they were cobbling together a plan on the fly. It didn't even take a strong breeze to make it all fall apart.

There's been a lot of D caterwauling about a ton of issues that have been pushed by the progressive Ds, but not a lot of meat. We need to switch strategies in a ton of things and not just hope that the president or any other one entity can get them done.

She’s still saying that he does, according to this comment. (Hmmm she actually says he can “pursue” SL forgiveness) It seems that the HEA is in negotiations (not sure if that’s the right term or not), and it can be put in there.


My god, the act from 1965 is 936 pages long and a lot of legalese.

And 💯 on your last paragraph.

(Dear lord I can’t articulate my words today)

[plutosmoon]

HEA has been on extension since 2013,it's supposed to be reauthorized every 5years, the last reauthorization was 2008. I'm somewhat familiar as an aid administrator, but it's a big bill which frequently requires clarification from the feds and a several volume manual to keep up with the nuances. I don't work in aid compliance day to day, but I'm the office go to for regs, so I've read and interpreted various sections over the years.

Going through HEA can probably be done, but in my current understanding, it's either rule making, which takes a while, or congress acting. I'm not optimistic on congress considering we've been waiting on full reauthorization for 10 years, congress has managed updates and does continue to extend it at least. Some Republicans would like nothing better than to kill HEA completely.


Im disappointed, but not surprised by the court decision. I wasn't a huge fan of this particular plan as it was a one time stop gap, but it was better than nothing. Hopefully going through HEA allows for a more comprehensive ongoing plan that will benefit more students in the long run. I am just really worried based on my previous experiences with DOE rulemaking.

[basilosaurus]

Is it something like student council saying free cookies on Friday if you elect me? Something they never could actually do but, hey, it gets votes. Personally this sucks, but I never had faith in this court, so I'm not surprised.

It must be nice to have a billionaire pay your school fees.

[redheadbaker]

The 5-4 podcast just dropped an episode about this case. open.spotify.com/show/5W7uOd5p8kDwRzQU2CaBe7

[pierogigirl]

XP with ML Friday randoms

Maybe different relief?
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[gretchenindisguise]

Jul 14, 2023 9:08:57 GMT -5 pierogigirl said:

XP with ML Friday randoms

Maybe different relief?
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Looks like they are just re-advertising the IDR adjustment that was announced April 2022. It is good work, and hopefully will prompt the ED to move quicker. It has continually been pushed back and is now not slated to be implemented until Jan 2024 at the earliest. So nearly 2 full years after they announced it.

For those who need/want more information- feel free to ask me.

Eta: I missed the line “in the coming weeks” so I guess this is going to come swiftly for some folks after months and months of dragging. That’s interesting.

If anyone has loans from 2 programs- consolidate them asap (ie undergrad and grad). If you’re going for pslf and this would impact taxes (pslf is tax free federally and state (except for Mississippi)) you can opt out.

[Jalapeñomel]

Biden is trying again:

apnews.com/article/student-loan-cancellation-debt-college-forgiveness-c3ec59d4c1d89e77bc1afc6c8ded1615