I...don't know that Margot Robbie got snubbed. Admittedly, I don't know enough about the other roles that were nominated to know who should come off of that list for her to go on. She did a great job. Was it better than those who were nominated? Was it one of the top 5 performances of the year? Or was she great but came in like, 6th or 7th? Or was she somewhat overshadowed by other actors in her film? I'm glad she is nominated for Producer, and I'm glad the film was nominated for Best Picture, and I'm glad she's succeeding all the way to the bank on this film, and I'm glad it was both part of and improved the dialogue regarding women in this country.
I think Greta Gerwig not getting nominated is a bigger crime. The fact that it was such a heavily nominated movie speaks to the fact that she should have been nominated (See also Ben Affleck for Argo). I do think the movie was 20 minutes too long, but I don't know if that was a directing issue or an editing issue.
I also feel like the fact that the only talk is about Margot Robbie and Greta Gerwig not getting nominated DOES screw America Ferrera a little bit more each time. It cheapens her successes, and she's worked for decades to get to this point and I'm so thrilled for her and want her to win and I hate that all we seem to be talking about is everyone BUT her, and she's being treated as almost an afterthought to this discussion.
I realize this may not be popular.
I don't really think Margot Robbie was snubbed either. I think it's more about the Academy's reluctance to nominate comedic performances for Best Actor/Best Actress. It's more common to nominate Supporting Actors for comedic roles (though...still not that common). You can maybe argue the Annette Benning slot for Nyad could have gone to her, but otherwise it's just a very competitive field.
Greta Gerwig stands out to me more, too. Though it's important to remember there are up to 10 Best Picture slots but only 5 directors, so 5 Best pictures won't have a Best Director nomination. I would have dropped Scorcese personally but we know that's never going to happen.
I...don't know that Margot Robbie got snubbed. Admittedly, I don't know enough about the other roles that were nominated to know who should come off of that list for her to go on. She did a great job. Was it better than those who were nominated? Was it one of the top 5 performances of the year? Or was she great but came in like, 6th or 7th? Or was she somewhat overshadowed by other actors in her film? I'm glad she is nominated for Producer, and I'm glad the film was nominated for Best Picture, and I'm glad she's succeeding all the way to the bank on this film, and I'm glad it was both part of and improved the dialogue regarding women in this country.
I think Greta Gerwig not getting nominated is a bigger crime. The fact that it was such a heavily nominated movie speaks to the fact that she should have been nominated (See also Ben Affleck for Argo). I do think the movie was 20 minutes too long, but I don't know if that was a directing issue or an editing issue.
I also feel like the fact that the only talk is about Margot Robbie and Greta Gerwig not getting nominated DOES screw America Ferrera a little bit more each time. It cheapens her successes, and she's worked for decades to get to this point and I'm so thrilled for her and want her to win and I hate that all we seem to be talking about is everyone BUT her, and she's being treated as almost an afterthought to this discussion.
I realize this may not be popular.
I don't really think Margot Robbie was snubbed either. I think it's more about the Academy's reluctance to nominate comedic performances for Best Actor/Best Actress. It's more common to nominate Supporting Actors for comedic roles (though...still not that common). You can maybe argue the Annette Benning slot for Nyad could have gone to her, but otherwise it's just a very competitive field.
Greta Gerwig stands out to me more, too. Though it's important to remember there are up to 10 Best Picture slots but only 5 directors, so 5 Best pictures won't have a Best Director nomination. I would have dropped Scorcese personally but we know that's never going to happen.
Oh man, having seen both movies, I think Annette Benning in NYAD was a better performance. Not that Margot Robbie didn’t kill it, but I think that Benning’s role was harder and she did brilliantly.
I...don't know that Margot Robbie got snubbed. Admittedly, I don't know enough about the other roles that were nominated to know who should come off of that list for her to go on. She did a great job. Was it better than those who were nominated? Was it one of the top 5 performances of the year? Or was she great but came in like, 6th or 7th? Or was she somewhat overshadowed by other actors in her film? I'm glad she is nominated for Producer, and I'm glad the film was nominated for Best Picture, and I'm glad she's succeeding all the way to the bank on this film, and I'm glad it was both part of and improved the dialogue regarding women in this country.
I think Greta Gerwig not getting nominated is a bigger crime. The fact that it was such a heavily nominated movie speaks to the fact that she should have been nominated (See also Ben Affleck for Argo). I do think the movie was 20 minutes too long, but I don't know if that was a directing issue or an editing issue.
I also feel like the fact that the only talk is about Margot Robbie and Greta Gerwig not getting nominated DOES screw America Ferrera a little bit more each time. It cheapens her successes, and she's worked for decades to get to this point and I'm so thrilled for her and want her to win and I hate that all we seem to be talking about is everyone BUT her, and she's being treated as almost an afterthought to this discussion.
I realize this may not be popular.
I don't really think Margot Robbie was snubbed either. I think it's more about the Academy's reluctance to nominate comedic performances for Best Actor/Best Actress. It's more common to nominate Supporting Actors for comedic roles (though...still not that common). You can maybe argue the Annette Benning slot for Nyad could have gone to her, but otherwise it's just a very competitive field.
Greta Gerwig stands out to me more, too. Though it's important to remember there are up to 10 Best Picture slots but only 5 directors, so 5 Best pictures won't have a Best Director nomination. I would have dropped Scorcese personally but we know that's never going to happen.
This comment is clutch. Comedic centric roles always get shafted. See also Jim Carrey for the Truman Show.
Well they have 5 directors nominated and only 1 of them is a woman. So really that should be 2-3 women because it’s not proportional. I know someone can say eh but their quality of work but that’s just another side of sexism where because a woman did it then it’s not valued as high.
I do understand comedies tends not to get noms, but just talking numbers here of male vs female directors nominated.
I’m super pissed too, but I wish we saw this same energy every time Black women are snubbed year after year. (Not talking about anyone in this thread, just overall.) Also a lot of the memes left out America Ferrara and I feel some kind of way about that.
me too. Valuing the contributions of men over women might be the Barbie story, but completely erasing Latina women from the discussion is as deeply an American tale.
I understand the frustration with the nominations, but mostly just feel bad for Ferrera being so overlooked in all of this. Also… I didn’t think the movie was that great.
I understand the frustration with the nominations, but mostly just feel bad for Ferrera being so overlooked in all of this. Also… I didn’t think the movie was that great.
This may be unpopular opinion, but I don't understand all of the acting nominations or snubs for this movie. Yes I loved America Ferrera's speech and I'm happy she's finally winning awards, but seeing the movie I didn't think "wow these actors and actresses deserve an award". Again maybe not watching the Oscars much I don't understand what the academy even looks for in a performance. I did however think that the costumers, set design, and basically anyone that had a hand in the art of the movie should win a wheelbarrow of awards.
Post by jeaniebueller on Jan 26, 2024 10:01:52 GMT -5
Barbie got 8 nominations, the amount of attention people online have given to being upset about Margot and Greta is bordering on crazy to me. Also really sucks that America and Ryan can't even be excited about their nominations.
Barbie got 8 nominations, the amount of attention people online have given to being upset about Margot and Greta is bordering on crazy to me. Also really sucks that America and Ryan can't even be excited about their nominations.
I actually saw someone post that Ryan should turn down his nomination. What?!
I understand the frustration with the nominations, but mostly just feel bad for Ferrera being so overlooked in all of this. Also… I didn’t think the movie was that great.
This may be unpopular opinion, but I don't understand all of the acting nominations or snubs for this movie. Yes I loved America Ferrera's speech and I'm happy she's finally winning awards, but seeing the movie I didn't think "wow these actors and actresses deserve an award". Again maybe not watching the Oscars much I don't understand what the academy even looks for in a performance. I did however think that the costumers, set design, and basically anyone that had a hand in the art of the movie should win a wheelbarrow of awards.
I mean... it was okay, I saw it twice because David dragged me back to it because he thought it was so funny, but I'm just not into all of the fandom. It was cute and had a good message. I did not shed a tear, but it was fine.
I understand the frustration with the nominations, but mostly just feel bad for Ferrera being so overlooked in all of this. Also… I didn’t think the movie was that great.
This may be unpopular opinion, but I don't understand all of the acting nominations or snubs for this movie. Yes I loved America Ferrera's speech and I'm happy she's finally winning awards, but seeing the movie I didn't think "wow these actors and actresses deserve an award". Again maybe not watching the Oscars much I don't understand what the academy even looks for in a performance. I did however think that the costumers, set design, and basically anyone that had a hand in the art of the movie should win a wheelbarrow of awards.
I think it's just because it was nominated for a couple of heavy hitter categories and not their usually correlating categories. Best Picture but not Best Director and Best Actor but not Best Actress. How does a film achieve greatness without the director? The idea that comedic roles are normally overlooked for an Oscar is giving me "women aren't funny" vibes in this case, since Ryan Gosling was apparently worthy and his was also a comedic role. I loved the movie and all the actors, but I didn't have expectations of it being nominated for the major categories. I think a lot of people felt that way, so seeing it kind of lopsided is sparking conversation.
This may be unpopular opinion, but I don't understand all of the acting nominations or snubs for this movie. Yes I loved America Ferrera's speech and I'm happy she's finally winning awards, but seeing the movie I didn't think "wow these actors and actresses deserve an award". Again maybe not watching the Oscars much I don't understand what the academy even looks for in a performance. I did however think that the costumers, set design, and basically anyone that had a hand in the art of the movie should win a wheelbarrow of awards.
I think it's just because it was nominated for a couple of heavy hitter categories and not their usually correlating categories. Best Picture but not Best Director and Best Actor but not Best Actress. How does a film achieve greatness without the director? The idea that comedic roles are normally overlooked for an Oscar is giving me "women aren't funny" vibes in this case, since Ryan Gosling was apparently worthy and his was also a comedic role. I loved the movie and all the actors, but I didn't have expectations of it being nominated for the major categories. I think a lot of people felt that way, so seeing it kind of lopsided is sparking conversation.
Ryan Gosling was nominated as Supporting Actor. And there are double the number of best picture nominees as best director. So it’s not a 1:1 comparison.
I don’t have any skin in this fight. I do find it ironic that it us basically the point of the movie, but I don’t think I have seen any of the other Oscar nominated stuff to be able to speak to who should have been nominated or not.
I think it's just because it was nominated for a couple of heavy hitter categories and not their usually correlating categories. Best Picture but not Best Director and Best Actor but not Best Actress. How does a film achieve greatness without the director? The idea that comedic roles are normally overlooked for an Oscar is giving me "women aren't funny" vibes in this case, since Ryan Gosling was apparently worthy and his was also a comedic role. I loved the movie and all the actors, but I didn't have expectations of it being nominated for the major categories. I think a lot of people felt that way, so seeing it kind of lopsided is sparking conversation.
Ryan Gosling was nominated as Supporting Actor. And there are double the number of best picture nominees as best director. So it’s not a 1:1 comparison.
I don’t have any skin in this fight. I do find it ironic that it us basically the point of the movie, but I don’t think I have seen any of the other Oscar nominated stuff to be able to speak to who should have been nominated or not.
I had to look up the nominated movies and was surprised by now many there were, I can't remember if there are always this many? I haven't seen any of them either and as usual haven't heard of a lot of them. I do want to watch Oppenheimer and Killers of the Flower Moon though.
Ryan Gosling was nominated as Supporting Actor. And there are double the number of best picture nominees as best director. So it’s not a 1:1 comparison.
I don’t have any skin in this fight. I do find it ironic that it us basically the point of the movie, but I don’t think I have seen any of the other Oscar nominated stuff to be able to speak to who should have been nominated or not.
I had to look up the nominated movies and was surprised by now many there were, I can't remember if there are always this many? I haven't seen any of them either and as usual haven't heard of a lot of them. I do want to watch Oppenheimer and Killers of the Flower Moon though.
They increased the Best Picture field from 5 to 10 in 2009, after the Dark Knight was "snubbed" for Best Picture. The expanded field was cynically designed to increase the chances that commercial blockbusters would be nominated and draw a bigger audience.
I don't think Killers of the Flower Moon deserved most of of it's nominations (aside from Lily Gladstone).
I think people are responding to the fact that a man ends up being the one singled out for the work, even in an all woman-led project. This isn't exactly true, but..the writing was on the wall from the very beginning. I remember when Barbie first came out and SO many people, personally and in press could only rave about KEN! and then the sweatshirts and merch came out with kenough etc...and I was like, "is this movie about Ken or what? I thought it was about Barbies existential crisis, but we STILL can only hype the guy lol"
Male gaze is powerful..
Overall, the movie wasn't that strong. None of the characters were super compelling or connected, and the story was strange. It was very creative and brought people back to the movies but at points I was bored...that's direction of the plot.
Post by litskispeciality on Jan 26, 2024 11:57:24 GMT -5
Ok the expanding the number of nominations to include more blockbusters tracks with this movie. In my head I was thinking that this movie might be getting Oscar noms because it brought in so much money, so did the Academy feel pressure to give noms just to avoid backlash, but didn't want to be a conspiracy theorist.
Ok the expanding the number of nominations to include more blockbusters tracks with this movie. In my head I was thinking that this movie might be getting Oscar noms because it brought in so much money, so did the Academy feel pressure to give noms just to avoid backlash, but didn't want to be a conspiracy theorist.
I think even if there were only 5 slots, it still would have been nominated. Oscar voters are swayed by narrative, and studio campaigns can be really effective. Plus we're still in this weird post pandemic space where a lot of movies just aren't getting seen by a wide audience, even with the number of screeners they send out. And a lot of people in the industry are terrified about the state of the box office, so it's easy to get behind something that gives them hope.
I liked the movie fine, I think the technical categories are the strongest elements. And lord knows the Academy has nominated some truly awful films over the years.
I did not love, or even strongly like Barbie. I only saw it bc I was at the beach with friends and someone bought the tickets. Two us were bored and two cried lol.
I think Cillian Murphy should win for his performance in Oppenheimer, I thought he was amazing! So.much.dialogue.
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This whole snub discourse is really grating on me.
For the acting category-if Margot was snubbed-which of the 5 that were nominated were less deserving?
People also keep citing that Barbie was nominated for Best Picture but Gerwig wasn't nominated for Best Director. There is a big disparity in number of slots between the two categories. There were other female directors that also weren't nominated this year. Was Gerwig's directing of the movie what made it a blockbuster or was it just the overall Barbie frenzy and star power? I am not slighting their roles in propelling the movie to greatness, but there were a whole lot of women (see; Greta Lee, Fantasia Barrino, Taraji P. Henson, Celine Song) that didn't get a nom.
Ryan gosling got a supporting actor nomination and America Ferrara got a supporting actress nomination. I loved the movie and Margot Robbie did great but also not every woman can be nominated and I’m not sure she should have been nominated. I’m glad America got the nod. Ryan meh, he did fine I guess but I wouldn’t say he deserved the nomination.
Now if I’m just Ken wins over what was I made for in the song category I would be annoyed.