@@lawyer in Texas gets 180 days in jail

[fernweh]

After spiking his pregnant wife’s drink with abortion pill

www.yahoo.com/news/texas-man-sentenced-180-days-173928283.html

How is there less of a punishment for this than for a doctor performing an abortion?!

[thejen626]

Holy SHIT.

How is this not attempted murder, under these bullshit Texas laws?

[penguingrrl]

What the fuck?!?!?

[underwaterrhymes]

Fuck these people.

[mrsukyankee]

fernweh, liking in agreement. This should be considered attempted murder according to the laws currently in Texas. (But note, he's a MAN, so clearly not who they are trying to control)

[expectantsteelerfan]

That is some bullshit right there.

[slimpickins]

He was charged with "assault of a pregnant person.

Makes it sound like it would be okay to drug someone if they aren't pregnant. She is a person in her own right and deserves to not be drugged/assaulted pregnant or not.

I know I'm preaching to the choir. This situation is just really driving home the degree that our society only views women as baby vessels.

[maudefindlay]

Less punishment than if the woman did it to herself.

[wanderingback]

Feb 14, 2024 11:52:44 GMT -5 maudefindlay said:

Less punishment than if the woman did it to herself.

Since there’s so much confusion and it is making people very anxious, I would like to clarify this point - (caveat I’m not a lawyer) in TX (and most states) the laws are against people providing abortion care not the person having an abortion. So in general if a person is known to have an abortion there is not a law against that in TX and the pregnant person wouldn’t face punishment.

I don’t want to take away the article or how fucked up the laws are in general but since I talk to people everyday in states with abortion bans it’s helpful to clarify the general legal risks so they know their options.

[maudefindlay]

Feb 14, 2024 11:59:28 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Feb 14, 2024 11:52:44 GMT -5 maudefindlay said:

Less punishment than if the woman did it to herself.

Since there’s so much confusion and it is making people very anxious, I would like to clarify this point - (caveat I’m not a lawyer) in TX (and most states) the laws are against people providing abortion care not the person having an abortion. So in general if a person is known to have an abortion there is not a law against that in TX and the pregnant person wouldn’t face punishment.

I don’t want to take away the article or how fucked up the laws are in general but since I talk to people everyday in states with abortion bans it’s helpful to clarify the general legal risks so they know their options.

Thank you, that is news to me. I thought women would be prosecuted too. I thought that was why there were calls for obtaining medical records of women going out of state (presumably to states where abortion is legal). I guess these are just threats and I thought it was law in the illegal states.

[wanderingback]

Feb 14, 2024 12:02:09 GMT -5 maudefindlay said:

Feb 14, 2024 11:59:28 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Since there’s so much confusion and it is making people very anxious, I would like to clarify this point - (caveat I’m not a lawyer) in TX (and most states) the laws are against people providing abortion care not the person having an abortion. So in general if a person is known to have an abortion there is not a law against that in TX and the pregnant person wouldn’t face punishment.

I don’t want to take away the article or how fucked up the laws are in general but since I talk to people everyday in states with abortion bans it’s helpful to clarify the general legal risks so they know their options.

Thank you, that is news to me. I thought women would be prosecuted too. I thought that was why there were calls for obtaining medical records of women going out of state (presumably to states where abortion is legal). I guess these are just threats and I thought it was law in the illegal states.

Nope.

It is currently legal to travel to any state to have an abortion. There is only one state where self managing your abortion is a crime, that state is Nevada and it’s illegal after 24 weeks of pregnancy. Currently, there are no other states where self managing an abortion is a crime.

So if someone takes abortion pills in TX, in general that is not illegal for the person who took the pills. The laws are generally against providers. There are some states that have "shield laws" so providers are sending abortion pills to people in TX, but they haven’t been challenged to know if providers outside of states like TX can get in trouble legally for mailing pills.

Eta: and specific to TX I’m pretty sure the laws specifically say pregnant people can’t be charged under these laws. Unfortunately these law makers are very smart to know what to say to get these laws passed

The repro legal helpline is a great resource for info about all the confusing laws by state www.reprolegalhelpline.org/

[fernweh]

Feb 14, 2024 12:22:31 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Feb 14, 2024 12:02:09 GMT -5 maudefindlay said:

Thank you, that is news to me. I thought women would be prosecuted too. I thought that was why there were calls for obtaining medical records of women going out of state (presumably to states where abortion is legal). I guess these are just threats and I thought it was law in the illegal states.

Nope.

It is currently legal to travel to any state to have an abortion. There is only one state where self managing your abortion is a crime, that state is Nevada and it’s illegal after 24 weeks of pregnancy. Currently, there are no other states where self managing an abortion is a crime.

So if someone takes abortion pills in TX, in general that is not illegal for the person who took the pills. The laws are generally against providers. There are some states that have "shield laws" so providers are sending abortion pills to people in TX, but they haven’t been challenged to know if providers outside of states like TX can get in trouble legally for mailing pills.

Eta: and specific to TX I’m pretty sure the laws specifically say pregnant people can’t be charged under these laws. Unfortunately these law makers are very smart to know what to say to get these laws passed

The repro legal helpline is a great resource for info about all the confusing laws by state www.reprolegalhelpline.org/

From my brief investigation into Texas laws you are correct, the pregnant person obtaining the abortion can’t be charged, however anyone supporting them can - so if I drive my friend to her appointment or give her money for the procedure then I can be charged…

[wanderingback]

Feb 14, 2024 14:34:12 GMT -5 fernweh said:

Feb 14, 2024 12:22:31 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Nope.

It is currently legal to travel to any state to have an abortion. There is only one state where self managing your abortion is a crime, that state is Nevada and it’s illegal after 24 weeks of pregnancy. Currently, there are no other states where self managing an abortion is a crime.

So if someone takes abortion pills in TX, in general that is not illegal for the person who took the pills. The laws are generally against providers. There are some states that have "shield laws" so providers are sending abortion pills to people in TX, but they haven’t been challenged to know if providers outside of states like TX can get in trouble legally for mailing pills.

Eta: and specific to TX I’m pretty sure the laws specifically say pregnant people can’t be charged under these laws. Unfortunately these law makers are very smart to know what to say to get these laws passed

The repro legal helpline is a great resource for info about all the confusing laws by state www.reprolegalhelpline.org/

From my brief investigation into Texas laws you are correct, the pregnant person obtaining the abortion can’t be charged, however anyone supporting them can - so if I drive my friend to her appointment or give her money for the procedure then I can be charged…

Yep. The laws are meant to be confusing and insight fear even if they’re never used. There’s a lot of civil disobedience happening which I am thankful for! People are still having abortions in these states it’s just causing a lot of fear and anxiety