Reminder that measles is particularly awful because it wipes out out your immune system's memory of previous exposures. It is SO much worse than "just a rash" which is what the antivaxxers keep saying.
"The immune memories that you have acquired are priceless, built over many years and from countless exposures to a menagerie of germs. Measles virus is especially dangerous because it has the ability to destroy what’s been earned: immune memory from previous infections. Meanwhile, the process of fighting measles infection leaves patients especially vulnerable to secondary infection." asm.org/articles/2019/may/measles-and-immune-amnesia
Only tangentially related, but I highly recommend the documentary Hilleman, which is about the man who developed the MMR vaccine among others: hillemanfilm.com/
It touches on this exact issue-- that Dr Hilleman's success in developing vaccines has created a generation that doesn't understand how devastating these diseases are.
I also don't understand how he's not more famous. He has saved so many children.
Post by picksthemusic on Feb 22, 2024 11:21:24 GMT -5
People have no idea how incredibly contagious measles is, and how deadly it can really be. It can not only wipe out your immunity memory for almost all your previous immunity, it can cause deafness, birth defects, and many other things. It's just an awful disease. It can live for hours in the air where an infected person has been. Social distancing doesn't really do much if a bunch of people in the community have it and are spreading it. Just in case people need a refresher:
I skimmed the article when I posted, so I don't know if this was mentioned - FL isn't requiring the unvaccinated kids that were exposed to stay home. Which is against all recommendations.
I skimmed the article when I posted, so I don't know if this was mentioned - FL isn't requiring the unvaccinated kids that were exposed to stay home. Which is against all recommendations.
Yet again Florida making it unsafe for any child who is immunocompromised to exist.
I skimmed the article when I posted, so I don't know if this was mentioned - FL isn't requiring the unvaccinated kids that were exposed to stay home. Which is against all recommendations.
Holy shit. I feel like the feds need to do something about that.
I skimmed the article when I posted, so I don't know if this was mentioned - FL isn't requiring the unvaccinated kids that were exposed to stay home. Which is against all recommendations.
Yet again Florida making it unsafe for any child person who is immunocompromised to exists.
I skimmed the article when I posted, so I don't know if this was mentioned - FL isn't requiring the unvaccinated kids that were exposed to stay home. Which is against all recommendations.
I skimmed the article when I posted, so I don't know if this was mentioned - FL isn't requiring the unvaccinated kids that were exposed to stay home. Which is against all recommendations.
Holy shit. I feel like the feds need to do something about that.
If Covid has taught us anything, it's that the Feds have no control over health emergencies.
Also a reminder that, even though the MMR vaccine is supposed to be good for life, some people do lose their immunity. If you live near an outbreak or are otherwise concerned, it couldn't hurt to get a measles titer test and see if you need another one.
Also a reminder that, even though the MMR vaccine is supposed to be good for life, some people do lose their immunity. If you live near an outbreak or are otherwise concerned, it couldn't hurt to get a measles titer test and see if you need another one.
I needed one a few years back. I don't remember if I requested it or the doc requested it just because.
Post by penguingrrl on Feb 22, 2024 12:17:55 GMT -5
This is horrifying. I had a birth defect that was likely caused by prenatal exposure to rubella (my sister hadn’t yet gotten her MMR because she was under 1 and it was in my first trimester) and very nearly died as a result. Watching all the strides our society has made to eradicate these diseases crumble because a few assholes think they j ow better than scientists is unreal.
People have no idea how incredibly contagious measles is, and how deadly it can really be. It can not only wipe out your immunity memory for almost all your previous immunity, it can cause deafness, birth defects, and many other things. It's just an awful disease. It can live for hours in the air where an infected person has been. Social distancing doesn't really do much if a bunch of people in the community have it and are spreading it. Just in case people need a refresher:
Also a reminder that, even though the MMR vaccine is supposed to be good for life, some people do lose their immunity. If you live near an outbreak or are otherwise concerned, it couldn't hurt to get a measles titer test and see if you need another one.
measles.
I got a titer drawn last year and I wa a still good.
Post by fancynewbeesly on Feb 22, 2024 16:10:41 GMT -5
This is incredibly scary to me. My 12 year old is in the 1% that can’t be vaccinated now. She had a bone marrow transplant last June which completely wipes out all vaccines. She may not be able to be revaccinated for 2-3 years still. Her immune system is SLOWLY coming up but not quickly.
Her doctors are way more concerned about her catching the flu, measles and chickenpox than anything else. (Even Covid).
People have no idea how incredibly contagious measles is, and how deadly it can really be. It can not only wipe out your immunity memory for almost all your previous immunity, it can cause deafness, birth defects, and many other things. It's just an awful disease. It can live for hours in the air where an infected person has been. Social distancing doesn't really do much if a bunch of people in the community have it and are spreading it. Just in case people need a refresher:
I skimmed the article when I posted, so I don't know if this was mentioned - FL isn't requiring the unvaccinated kids that were exposed to stay home. Which is against all recommendations.
The article is blocked for me at work, but this is so bad. Measles is contagious for 4 days before you show symptoms, like the tell-tale rash. I would assume they aren't sending kids home for a runny nose either which is usually one of the first symptoms.
I dealt with a measles outbreak a few years ago, and it was challenging even with not allowing unvaccinated students to come to school. It's one of the things I warn parents about when they want to have an exemption. I have some parents facing that right now as their kids can't come to school for 21 days due to a chicken pox outbreak.
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I’m honestly shocked that they haven’t just closed the school and sent everyone home. I mean, not shocked I guess because it’s Florida, but holy shit how can you still send kids to school in the middle of an active outbreak?!
It touches on this exact issue-- that Dr Hilleman's success in developing vaccines has created a generation that doesn't understand how devastating these diseases are.
Yup, I agree. People have forgotten that the vaccines we got as kids got us to this point of privilege where we sit today. One where we don't have to experience awful things like measles and now even chicken pox. I was surprised the first time I heard there was a vaccine for chicken pox. Many of us remember how highly contagious and awful that was! I'm sure parents who experienced measles felt the same way once the MMR vaccine came along allowing the next generation to escape the horrible disease.
I’m honestly shocked that they haven’t just closed the school and sent everyone home. I mean, not shocked I guess because it’s Florida, but holy shit how can you still send kids to school in the middle of an active outbreak?!
TBF, 2 doses of MMR are 97% effective for preventing getting measles after exposure. Fully vaccinated children should be allowed to attend school as long as they aren't showing any symptoms. We allow student with one dose to attend depending on the situation.
That all assumes an effective strategy between public health and the school though, and well...
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Also a reminder that, even though the MMR vaccine is supposed to be good for life, some people do lose their immunity. If you live near an outbreak or are otherwise concerned, it couldn't hurt to get a measles titer test and see if you need another one.
We had a local measles outbreak around 10 years ago. I requested a titers test then and came back with zero immunity, despite being fully vaccinated. I had a booster after that but this is a great reminder that it wouldn’t hurt to check again now.
I skimmed the article when I posted, so I don't know if this was mentioned - FL isn't requiring the unvaccinated kids that were exposed to stay home. Which is against all recommendations.
Yet again Florida making it unsafe for any child . . . to exists.
Also a reminder that, even though the MMR vaccine is supposed to be good for life, some people do lose their immunity. If you live near an outbreak or are otherwise concerned, it couldn't hurt to get a measles titer test and see if you need another one.
I got a booster a few years ago for mmr and polio because of traveling through areas with active outbreaks and very low vaccination rates.
I hadn't realized how recent mmr vaccine was developed. I had thought it was around the same time as polio. I do remember a discussion about it when my uncle's sister was pregnant and got measles, early 90s. And everyone was very concerned about the fetus and wondering why the woman wasn't vaccinated. Years later I met a woman whose mom also had measles while pregnant, and she did have issues from it. She was in part of a group I was in to promote vaccines.
It was through that group I first heard Wakefield (yes, in person, in a public library) spreading the message that keeping unvaccinated children home is no different from forcing them to wear a yellow star. I wanted to vomit. But what Florida is doing is not at all, sadly, surprising.
Also a reminder that, even though the MMR vaccine is supposed to be good for life, some people do lose their immunity. If you live near an outbreak or are otherwise concerned, it couldn't hurt to get a measles titer test and see if you need another one.
Yup. I had to have mine done again in university despite getting one as a kid. I'd definitely check it out if I was living or working near an outbreak.
Also a reminder that, even though the MMR vaccine is supposed to be good for life, some people do lose their immunity. If you live near an outbreak or are otherwise concerned, it couldn't hurt to get a measles titer test and see if you need another one.
Yup. I had to have mine done again in university despite getting one as a kid. I'd definitely check it out if I was living or working near an outbreak.
I thought we all got boosters at some point. I know mines in my shot records, although I don't remember if it was the 1st grade or 5th grade set. I just know my adult booster was considered 3rd dose.
Yup. I had to have mine done again in university despite getting one as a kid. I'd definitely check it out if I was living or working near an outbreak.
I thought we all got boosters at some point. I know mines in my shot records, although I don't remember if it was the 1st grade or 5th grade set. I just know my adult booster was considered 3rd dose.
There are no current guidelines in the US that adults routinely get a booster. You would likely only get one if at some point for work (healthcare worker) or college for example that required you to provide proof that you had the 2-dose series previously and you didn’t have proof or if you got titers done and there was no proof of immunity. In childhood the guidelines are MMR between 12-15 months and then 4-6 years, then you’re done. It’s a 2 dose series.
Also a reminder that, even though the MMR vaccine is supposed to be good for life, some people do lose their immunity. If you live near an outbreak or are otherwise concerned, it couldn't hurt to get a measles titer test and see if you need another one.
The loss of immunity happened to me. I only had the titer test because it was part of the application process to volunteer at a children’s hospital. I had to get two doses of the vaccine with a month wait in between.