@FL measles outbreak

[chickadee77]

I had measles in high school in the mid-90s (yes, I was vaccinated). It was awful, and I'm guessing I had a mild case due to being innoculated. Doctors couldn't figure out what it was since most had never seen a case before. Thankfully I didn't start an outbreak due to most people being vaccinated at the time.

Fuck FL. The "leadership" of that state has so much blood on their hands that I don't think they even pay attention anymore.

[basilosaurus]

Feb 23, 2024 7:18:45 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Feb 23, 2024 4:16:35 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

I thought we all got boosters at some point. I know mines in my shot records, although I don't remember if it was the 1st grade or 5th grade set. I just know my adult booster was considered 3rd dose.

There are no current guidelines in the US that adults routinely get a booster. You would likely only get one if at some point for work (healthcare worker) or college for example that required you to provide proof that you had the 2-dose series previously and you didn’t have proof or if you got titers done and there was no proof of immunity. In childhood the guidelines are MMR between 12-15 months and then 4-6 years, then you’re done. It’s a 2 dose series.

oh I'm not referring to adult booster. I know why I got mine. I was referring to a childhood booster in reference to someone saying they only got a single dose, and I'm pretty sure it's been 2 for a long time.

[VillainV]

Just for kicks I pulled up my military vaccination record, and I got MMR at 18 months, then again at age 14. I got a positive titer sometime in the last few years. I’m pretty impressed with that! I’m glad to know that at least as of a few year ago I still had some immunity.

[aprilsails]

There was a time period in Canada (and possibly the US too based on comments I'm seeing) where they thought only one dose would provide adequate protection. I think it impacts people in a 5 year age range who are currently 37-42 or so. Both my brother and I fell into that group so I had a booster at age 22 when the government was seeing that immunity was waning in that cohort and recommended an additional shot.

[plutosmoon]

Feb 23, 2024 10:06:47 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Feb 23, 2024 7:18:45 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

There are no current guidelines in the US that adults routinely get a booster. You would likely only get one if at some point for work (healthcare worker) or college for example that required you to provide proof that you had the 2-dose series previously and you didn’t have proof or if you got titers done and there was no proof of immunity. In childhood the guidelines are MMR between 12-15 months and then 4-6 years, then you’re done. It’s a 2 dose series.

oh I'm not referring to adult booster. I know why I got mine. I was referring to a childhood booster in reference to someone saying they only got a single dose, and I'm pretty sure it's been 2 for a long time.

I remember when they changed the childhood rules, when I was young it was one dose that was supposed to last. I had a reaction (presumed allergic, although my current doc thinks it was something else because it wasn't immediate) to my MMR, and the doctor didn't really document anything well because it was a one and done shot at the time. He just told my mom I shouldn't get it again, but it wouldn't be an issue if she kept my vaccination record. When the recommendation came to get a booster I was in junior high, my doctor advised against it for me unless we agreed to get it done at the children's hospital and stay overnight for monitoring. 

I never got a second shot, my titers were tested for college, grad school, and a few other times, my immunity is holding for now. Reactions to MMR must be pretty rare because I get a lot of questioning on it.

I do worry about these anti vaxxers, putting people who depend on herd immunity at risk. I'm not sure what we can do about them when the feds leave it to the states, and states won't step up and mandate vaccines for all who are able to get them. During covid, MA tried to mandate the flu shot for all school aged kids, it caused quite the uproar. If my blue liberal state can't even manage a vaccine mandate, what hope is there for places like FL?

[rubytue]

Feb 23, 2024 11:10:09 GMT -5 aprilsails said:

There was a time period in Canada (and possibly the US too based on comments I'm seeing) where they thought only one dose would provide adequate protection. I think it impacts people in a 5 year age range who are currently 37-42 or so. Both my brother and I fell into that group so I had a booster at age 22 when the government was seeing that immunity was waning in that cohort and recommended an additional shot.

I wonder if I fall into that group, though I’m not in that 5-year age range. But, when I was 19, my college wouldn’t let me come back unless I got another MMR shot. My memory of 30 years ago was that they had discovered that our childhood dose(s?) didn’t always last so everyone needed another one. No idea if I had 1 or 2 in the 70s, but definitely had one in 1994.

[statgirl]

From 1971 (introduction) to 1989, one dose was recommended. I just missed the new schedule and got my second in the early 90’s when my brother was due for his second.

[mcppalmbeach]

How do I say this nicely…well I don’t. Fuck all these anti vaxxer parents putting sick kids and kids who truly cannot be vaccinated at risk based on their own ignorant agenda. Disgusting humans.

[curbsideprophet]

Feb 22, 2024 11:57:58 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Feb 22, 2024 11:49:23 GMT -5 picksthemusic said:

Holy shit. I feel like the feds need to do something about that.

If Covid has taught us anything, it's that the Feds have no control over health emergencies.

This is a choice though. We certainly could be controlling things much more than we are.

[pixy0stix]

Feb 24, 2024 11:29:22 GMT -5 curbsideprophet said:

Feb 22, 2024 11:57:58 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

If Covid has taught us anything, it's that the Feds have no control over health emergencies.

This is a choice though. We certainly could be controlling things much more than we are.

No. SCOTUS blocked a ton of measures Biden's administration tried, as did the lower courts. I know we have short memories, but the Feds really did try for quite a while before they started scaling back.

[sonrisa]

Doesn't COVID mess with other immunities for some people? I swear I saw one of you post something about it in the past - and specifically draw an analogy to measles wiping out immunity. If so, that is one more layer of risk on top of the sntivaxxer b.s.

[nsl]

I've had four MMR shots in my life because I don't retain immunity to rubella. I'm glad to know that my measles titers were still up to snuff the last time they were checked (which was still 14 years ago), but terrified for everyone else who either isn't vaccinated due to their own parents' ignorance, or who is immunocompromised, or who doesn't have active measles immunity anymore and doesn't realize it.

[bimbi284]

There’s a confirmed case in Chicagoland, too. It was a NW Indiana resident who has it visited three Chicago area hospitals for care during their contagious period, so CDPH put out a health alert.

[SwimDeep]

Cool... cool. So I'll just make a note to ask my pcp to check my titers for the measles vax at my yearly appointment next month.

This is awesome. What a time to be alive 😑

[cap]

A case was reported in Michigan too, near Detroit. The article said they had recently traveled internationally and that they thought nobody outside the child’s home had been exposed.

[rubytue]

I just read a terrifying, new to me, thing with measles. Very rare, but fatal condition from measles laying dormant for years. I mean, I know plenty of other diseases can cause issues years down the line. And we’ve talked about immunity amnesia from measles.

www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/parasites-and-plagues/108905

[basilosaurus]

Feb 27, 2024 9:14:16 GMT -5 rubytue said:

I just read a terrifying, new to me, thing with measles. Very rare, but fatal condition from measles laying dormant for years. I mean, I know plenty of other diseases can cause issues years down the line. And we’ve talked about immunity amnesia from measles.

www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/parasites-and-plagues/108905

I didn't know this. I did know at one point in the but so distant past it was the leading cause of blindness in children under 5 globally.

It's the same fallacy of people saying seatbelts and helmets aren't necessary because they didn't have them and survived. Which is just such stupid lack of logic it astonishes me that otherwise intelligent people still say things like that

[curbsideprophet]

Feb 24, 2024 13:16:21 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Feb 24, 2024 11:29:22 GMT -5 curbsideprophet said:

This is a choice though. We certainly could be controlling things much more than we are.

No. SCOTUS blocked a ton of measures Biden's administration tried, as did the lower courts. I know we have short memories, but the Feds really did try for quite a while before they started scaling back.

SCOTUS may have played a small role, but they are not the only reason we are in the situation we are in now. The CDC may not be able to require masks on public transportation but there is certainly more they could be doing. Stop basing masking recommendations on hospital admissions. Just require them in healthcare settings. They already rolled back isolation guidelines to 5 days to appease business and are now debating basically getting rid of isolation altogether. They could recommend two negative tests before ending isolation. The CDC could be putting out clear messaging that the virus is airborne and what to do about it, instead we get advice to wash our hands. The CDC director could wear a mask when she goes to visit a nursing home for a flu clinic.

They could require masks in federal building year round if they want. If that is too much, then require it during surges. Stop forcing federal employees back into the office when they don't need to be there.

Biden himself could also acknowledge that the pandemic is not over. He has done the opposite.

The 9/11 National Emergency is still continued every year. They could have continued the pandemic national emergency.

This does a good job a showing the timeline of how things have shifted over time. We thought the vaccines would get us out of this and we have never course corrected when it was realized they would not prevent infections.

www.thegauntlet.news/p/how-the-press-manufactured-consent

The situation in Florida does not sound good. There is no evidence to support sending unvaccinated exposed individuals back into a classroom setting. The CDC should be putting out messaging now about measles being airborne. Spring Break is just around the corner and the measles situation could get out of control quickly.