I'm with the skeptics. Also, if you want to help your daughter's case get solved, why let the story unfold so slowly? I feel terrible saying this, but it doesn't add up and it seems AWish rather than sincere.
I noticed something in one of the blogs that gave me pause, from the September 10, 2012 entry: "Morgan sends a text message to her teacher, “I don’t think that I’m going to make it to class today. I’m taking a mental health day from my life. Hope all is well!” Her teacher texts back, “Understood xo”"
First, I went to a really small college and it never would have crossed my mind to text a professor unless I was working really closely with them on research, or a TA or something. Maybe it is different at a community college (where I think Morgan went)? But second, what kind of teacher would text "xo" to a student? That just doesn't seem real to me.
I'm with the skeptics. Also, if you want to help your daughter's case get solved, why let the story unfold so slowly? I feel terrible saying this, but it doesn't add up and it seems AWish rather than sincere.
I'm with the skeptics. Also, if you want to help your daughter's case get solved, why let the story unfold so slowly? I feel terrible saying this, but it doesn't add up and it seems AWish rather than sincere.
The blog is weird. Stuff like that makes me think, "The lady doth protest too much."
"We questioned, my wife was threatened to back off or else it would be suicide. 10 months after her death, based on no new evidence, she was reclassified as a suicide."
Why did it matter so much to them if it was classified as natural causes rather than suicide if they had a firmly held belief that it was not suicide? I'd imagine in most cases, that threat wouldn't mean much to a devastated family that thought their daughter was murdered.
The skeptic in me wonders if there was a life insurance issue or something similar that would make the difference matter...
I think I've read everything, and I keep coming back to this thinking:
I see Morgan and her mother's relationship the same way my relationship was with my mother at that age. My mom thought I was the patron saint of teenagers. I could do no wrong in her eyes, and when she did find out I did something wrong, she thought wrongdoing was so rare for me that she had a host of excuses. Something MUST have led me to it, because doing anything wrong was just so not normal for me. That's the kind of thinking she had. I think this kind of thinking is typical in a lot of parents.
Meanwhile, between going to church, volunteering, working, going to school, and being an overall perfect daughter around my parents and small hometown, I was an hour away at college doing some not-so-great experiments in the world of illegal drug use and bad friends who always had the hook-up. I hung out with lots of other people my age who led much the same life. I think this is typical with more teens than most people realize.
I don't think Morgan was a bad kid, but I think her mother thinks she was just so "brilliant and profound" (her words) that she would never do such a thing that could lead to an accidental death or suicide. At this point, unless some sort of very compelling evidence is produced, I think it's kind of sad to pin murder on a kid and post it all over a public blog. I think she's grasping at straws on a lot of her "evidence." I do think there was a stalker of sorts, but I kind of feel like we're not getting the whole story there. I refuse to believe anyone with a serious stalker would purposely leave the windows open while they sleep.
Post by Bob Loblaw on Oct 12, 2012 11:03:23 GMT -5
The whole blog is weird, and it's really irritating that the woman has "teasers" to bring readers back for more. That just doesn't sit well with me. For example: "Tomorrow night Morgan’s dad really does believe the stalker has been listening to us through our open bedroom windows – on tomorrow’s blog you will see why."
She seems to be sensationalizing her daughter's death for blog hits, and I don't like it.
Post by peppermint08 on Oct 12, 2012 12:58:20 GMT -5
Thanks to GBCN I have been sucked into this blog & have been reading it.
I am still in September so I know I have a bit to go but it is all so strange. I know it is easy to say what I would do when I am not in the situation & I know hind sight is 20/20, but Lord! If I was being stalked & all that was happening to me, I would leave. I would not stay in that house. If that was happening to my daughter, I would ship her to her godparent's until it was safe her to be home.
Thanks to GBCN I have been sucked into this blog & have been reading it.
I am still in September so I know I have a bit to go but it is all so strange. I know it is easy to say what I would do when I am not in the situation & I know hind sight is 20/20, but Lord! If I was being stalked & all that was happening to me, I would leave. I would not stay in that house. If that was happening to my daughter, I would ship her to her godparent's until it was safe her to be home.
I just don't get it.
And you have hit the nail on the head. Even if you all cant move just send the girl away.
I DO believe there was a stalker, I do believe there was a botched investigation. What I am unsure about is whether the accused is actually responsible and the true cause of death.
I'm with the skeptics. Also, if you want to help your daughter's case get solved, why let the story unfold so slowly? I feel terrible saying this, but it doesn't add up and it seems AWish rather than sincere.
Two words: book deal.
That said - even if I thought my family member was murdered, it would absolutely matter to me if it was being classified as suicide if I thought that wasn't the case. And yes - maybe it is a life insurance thing, but unless you think the beneficiaries killed her, it's a totally legit thing to not give up on.
Post by peppermint08 on Oct 12, 2012 15:19:04 GMT -5
Okay.
I now have looked at the police reports & there is ALOT of differences to what the mom is saying to what is written on the report.
In the dad's statement he said that Morgan did say that life wasn't worth living, but she couldn't kill herself. It is mentioned that she was being treated for AIP (which the mom again denies on the blog.) & another thing that stuck out to me was the Mom wrote that she would never kill herself & she was committed to babysitting that weekend. (Like if I was planning suicide, I would say hold up.. have a comminment this weekend, but next weekend is good!) but the dad said in their talk the night before she was found Morgan was going to cancel babysitting because of stress.
Now, I do believe she was stalked. I do think she was scared but I don't think she tried to kill herself.
& the cops?? I think they let the community down big time. I think it is wild that all this was happening and there was no surveillance, no neighborhood watch patrol, nothing.
I'm with the skeptics. Also, if you want to help your daughter's case get solved, why let the story unfold so slowly? I feel terrible saying this, but it doesn't add up and it seems AWish rather than sincere.
Two words: book deal.
That said - even if I thought my family member was murdered, it would absolutely matter to me if it was being classified as suicide if I thought that wasn't the case. And yes - maybe it is a life insurance thing, but unless you think the beneficiaries killed her, it's a totally legit thing to not give up on.
Maybe I read his post wrong? I read it as it was classified as natural causes (meaning, no there would be no further investigation but life insurance could cover it) and when the parents started asking a lot of questions, the police threatened to change the classification to suicide (still no investigation, but no life insurance either).
If I read it wrong and he meant it was classified as homicide (where there would be an investigation) and then the police threatened to change it to suicide (no investigation), I totally agree with you.
Post by shopgirl07 on Oct 12, 2012 15:45:04 GMT -5
I could be horribly wrong but I don't think there was actually a stalker. As I said before, the cops were called to the house over 50 times in 4 months. That's a huge drain on resources so I really think if they believed she was being stalked they would have done everything possible to find the stalker. In the police reports they state that they did regular patrols and even night stakeouts so I know they were doing something. But they didn't seem too interested in Keenan or Elliott for that matter. Reading between the lines it just seems that they doubt the validity of a stalker.
Again, to pull it off, the stalker would have to have been really sophisticated. It just seems unlikely he could get away with it for so long with all the resources dedicated to finding him (police, cameras, etc.) It seems that Morgan died of a drug overdose. Whether it was intentional or not, I would have no idea. I think she was a very troubled girl.
I also think it is weird that they know what happened every day in such detail. Even if they kept good notes (which would be understandable), the level of detail is pretty astonishing.
I also think it is weird that they know what happened every day in such detail. Even if they kept good notes (which would be understandable), the level of detail is pretty astonishing.
I've thought this too. It's almost an entire year later - you would think some things are bound to be a little fuzzy. I can't remember every.single.detail. from my life a year ago.
The detail does not surprised me. It seems like the kept all the texts.
Also there has to have been a stalker, there were pictures and videos and the mother SAW the stalker with her own eyes twice.
I haven't seen the pictures or videos, but that a woman writing a blog that some of us are skeptical of says that she saw the stalker twice doesn't mean anything. She could be lying.
Keeping all texts and remembering what they meant is very different from remembering what condition Morgan's laundry pile was in that day.
Maybe it's because i've seen too many parents claim "There's no way my baby could have done xyz!" (both parents of defendants & victims alike), but I am very skeptical of this mom's account.
I agree with the book deal or Lifetime movie theory.
Post by shopgirl07 on Oct 12, 2012 17:29:56 GMT -5
I also think that during the 4 month period leading up to her death, there were a lot of rumors going around and talk about what was happening at that house. People are nosy and curious, I think after a while there were definitely some lurkers hanging around trying to see what was up.
The detail does not surprised me. It seems like the kept all the texts.
Also there has to have been a stalker, there were pictures and videos and the mother SAW the stalker with her own eyes twice.
I haven't seen the pictures or videos, but that a woman writing a blog that some of us are skeptical of says that she saw the stalker twice doesn't mean anything. She could be lying.
Sure, she could be lying. She could be embellishing the story. But there ARE photos and video of a man lurking around the house.
Also, many life insurance policies pay out for suicides...most of them just have a waiting period. Like, it won't pay out for a suicide within 2 years of the purchase of the policy, but it will pay if the suicide occurs after that time period. Both DH and I have policies that have that stipulation and the life insurance company I worked for for 5 years had the same stipulation in every policy they sold.
In her the comments of her latest post she calls the neighbor, Elliot, suspicious also. I wouldn't be surprised if their ex-neighbors are lawyering up. I think the way she is naming names of so many people is absolutely vicious and damaging to innocent people.
Are the pictures people mentioned on that site? I looked yesterday and didn't see them, but I'll admit to sort of skimming, because I don't have enough window coverings and fully expected to have nightmares.
I haven't seen the pictures or videos, but that a woman writing a blog that some of us are skeptical of says that she saw the stalker twice doesn't mean anything. She could be lying.
Sure, she could be lying. She could be embellishing the story. But there ARE photos and video of a man lurking around the house.
Also, many life insurance policies pay out for suicides...most of them just have a waiting period. Like, it won't pay out for a suicide within 2 years of the purchase of the policy, but it will pay if the suicide occurs after that time period. Both DH and I have policies that have that stipulation and the life insurance company I worked for for 5 years had the same stipulation in every policy they sold.
Not to be a broken record, but with all the talk and rumors around this house, I think it's just as plausible that there were nosy people lurking around trying to see what was up.
Are the pictures people mentioned on that site? I looked yesterday and didn't see them, but I'll admit to sort of skimming, because I don't have enough window coverings and fully expected to have nightmares.
Sure, she could be lying. She could be embellishing the story. But there ARE photos and video of a man lurking around the house.
Also, many life insurance policies pay out for suicides...most of them just have a waiting period. Like, it won't pay out for a suicide within 2 years of the purchase of the policy, but it will pay if the suicide occurs after that time period. Both DH and I have policies that have that stipulation and the life insurance company I worked for for 5 years had the same stipulation in every policy they sold.
What rumors?
Not to be a broken record, but with all the talk and rumors around this house, I think it's just as plausible that there were nosy people lurking around trying to see what was up.
Not to be a broken record, but with all the talk and rumors around this house, I think it's just as plausible that there were nosy people lurking around trying to see what was up.
I'm sure during the 4 months prior to her death, since the police had been to the house over 50 times, there were lots of rumors and gossip around town. All of the neighbors were gossiping, I'm sure they told people, etc., etc.
I think there was a stalker, she said they have more videos, one where they are even crouched behind cars. I'm not sure it's quite to the degree that the mother wants to believe. I think it might be someone just trying to mess with Morgan and it blew up. There seems to be a lot of instances where Morgan isn't even that concerned about it and the dad also seems unconcerned at times. I think maybe the mom took it more seriously than anyone and then assumes that anyone who ever came near their home and every sound was the stalker. She's trying to decipher and read into a lot if stuff. Also, there was a tumblr account that Morgan posted on right before her death, her mother didn't bother listing that on her list of pages where Morgan had an online presence. She stated Morgan hadn't used her medical marijuana for months, but the police report says there was a bowl beside her bed. The tumblr page also references partying and smoking and possibly depression.