Vaccine Fun on Sunday

[KateAggie]

This "news article" comes to you courtesy of FB.

www.nyrnaturalnews.com/chemicals-2/2012/05/italian-court-rules-mmr-vaccine-did-trigger-autism/

Natural Health News — An Italian court has ruled there is a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.

In what may be a ground-breaking decision, the Italian Court of Rimini has ruled that causation between an MMR vaccine and the resulting autism in a young child “has been established.”

The unnamed child received the vaccine in March of 2004 and on returning home immediately developed adverse symptoms. During the next year the child regressed, receiving the autism diagnosis one year later and is now 100% disabled by the disease.

The Italian court ruled that the child “has been damaged by irreversible complications due to vaccination (prophylaxis trivalent MMR)” and ordered the Ministry of Health to compensate the child with a 15 year annuity and to reimburse the parents of their court cost.

The judgement can be found in full here and the original news report in Italian appears here. A rough Google translation appears here.

The case is expected to go to appeal as authorities are concerned it may set a legal precedent.

Not the first judgement against the vaccine

This, however, is the second recent judgement to come to this conclusion. Earlier this year a US court also ruled that the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine can cause autism.

In a ruling that kept very quiet in the press, the US Court of Federal Claims has conceded that the mercury-based preservative thimerosal, which was in vaccines until 2002, caused autism in the case of one child.

The ruling was just one of 4,900 cases currently being considered for compensation payments. Health officials are concerned that it could open the floodgates for even more claims.

The ruling, made by US Assistant Attorney General Peter Keisler, was made last November, and was one of three test cases into the MMR-autism link that was being considered by a three-member panel, which Keisler chaired.

The case involved a child who received nine vaccinations in July 2000, when she was 18 months old. Two of these contained thimerosal. Within days, the girl, who had previously been healthy, began to exhibit loss of language skills, no eye contact, loss of response to verbal direction, insomnia, incessant screaming, and arching.

A diagnosis of autism was confirmed seven months later.

In its defence, the US government claimed the girl had a pre-existing mitochondrial disorder that was aggravated by the vaccine. However in his conclusion, Keisler said that “compensation is appropriate”.

Too much heat, not enough light

Both findings would appear to support the controversial findings of Dr Andrew Wakefield who, in 1998 published an article in the Lancet suggesting a link between the vaccine and autism. Official reaction to the paper was of such force and such outrage that the Lancet withdrew the paper on the grounds that it was scientifically unsound.

Wakefield has been in a battle for his professional reputation ever since and the question of the proposed link between the MMR vaccine and autism has been largely sidelined (though not solved) by bitter and very public professional rows that have done little to bring clarity to concerned parents.

That poor, poor maligned Dr. Wakefield.

[ilumine]

Wasn't the Italan courts that convicted Amanda Knx on scientifically discredited DNA evidence? Yeah, I will now bblindly follow their rulings...

[overture]

So, the findings support that he's an admitted fraud?

[orangeblossom]

Please do not give the antivax people any more ammunition.

Do I believe that some children's genetic makeup may predispose them to have negative reactions from thimerosol, yes. Do I believe that people should just this ruling as a way to "prove" that they are right in not vaccinating their children, heck no.

[shadow]

An Italian court has ruled there is a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.

now 100% disabled by the disease.

This is just sad/frustrating/ridiculously anger inducing on so many levels, the least of which is the fact that idiots will read an article like this and not find anything off w/ these 2 statements.

ETA: I need to bitch more. An italian court?! ANY court? Yeah, that's where I get my scientific consensus from. Not actual professionals who know how to actually critically review research findings. And what the hell does 100% disabled even mean? Such made up horseshit, with no basis in reality. You know what 100% disabled is? Death. That's it.

[AllieHound]

There is such a thing as 100% disabled- at least from a vocational standpoint. "100% permanently disabled" is a legitimate term- from a Worker's Compensation standpoint. Not so much something that can be put on a child- and I've never heard it used to describe a child before. It's generally based on ability to work- which they certainly do not know about a 4 year old, especially regarding Autism, which can respond very well to interventions, as well as age.

That said, I don't buy the Italian court's decision (really... Italian courts?) and it's just going to give the anti-vaxer's more ammunition. Bah.

[ttt]

Three things.

One: Italian court? Really? Italy's highest court also overturned a rape conviction on the grounds that a woman wearing jeans cannot be raped. So...yeah.

Two:

May 27, 2012 16:35:27 GMT -5 KateAggie said:

In a ruling that kept very quiet in the press, the US Court of Federal Claims has conceded that the mercury-based preservative thimerosal, which was in vaccines until 2002, caused autism in the case of one child.

No, not really. That's not what they said. They said that the case met the statutory criteria for compensation (and the statutory criteria for compensation is very low). That's it.

Three:

[One Girl In All The World]

Man, this almost makes me want to lurk on TB to see how long it takes them to start citing this shit as more "evidence."

[KateAggie]

It's all ridiculous, but I especially loved the assertion that the Lancet withdrew their support of the article because of "official outrage."

[Kristinmo]

Even if (a giant IF) there was a link, it says right in the "article" that thermisol was the cause which is no longer used. Therefore, get your kid vaccinated.

[loislane23]

May 28, 2012 7:42:15 GMT -5 Kristinmo said:

Even if (a giant IF) there was a link, it says right in the "article" that thermisol was the cause which is no longer used. Therefore, get your kid vaccinated.

Exactly. Problem solved.

[Seesaw]

I'm not surprised an individual experienced an adverse effect to the vaccine. I don't like vaccines in general. I don't take them unless legally required or required by my job. I haven't had a flu vaccine in adult memory and only had flu once in adult life. I'm a fan of hand-washing.

I am surprised anyone was awarded damages when vaccines come with their little disclaimer, may cause blahblahblah and even death or the disease meant to be prevented by the vaccine.

It's not just the Italian court that says the thimerosal caused autism. The US asst Attorney General and panel ruled the same in US Fed claims court. I don't know what the scientific/medical qualifications are for asst attorney general or the attorney general, but they like to tell me cigarettes cause cancer and can do an unborn baby harm.

If anyone should be sued it's whoever was still using thimerosal vaccines in 2004 when they were supposedly discontinued in 2002 according to this article. Who ever thought it was a good idea to put any mercury-based compound into infants and children? It's disturbing to me that a European country was either administering knowingly messed up vaccines or old ones from before 2002 known to have a problem. The US gets its entire vaccine supply from Europe.

[gpw]

May 28, 2012 9:20:16 GMT -5 @Seesaw said:

I'm not surprised an individual experienced an adverse effect to the vaccine. I don't like vaccines in general. I don't take them unless legally required or required by my job. I haven't had a flu vaccine in adult memory and only had flu once in adult life. I'm a fan of hand-washing.

I am surprised anyone was awarded damages when vaccines come with their little disclaimer, may cause blahblahblah and even death or the disease meant to be prevented by the vaccine.

It's not just the Italian court that says the thimerosal caused autism. The US asst Attorney General and panel ruled the same in US Fed claims court. I don't know what the scientific/medical qualifications are for asst attorney general or the attorney general, but they like to tell me cigarettes cause cancer and can do an unborn baby harm.

If anyone should be sued it's whoever was still using thimerosal vaccines in 2004 when they were supposedly discontinued in 2002 according to this article. Who ever thought it was a good idea to put any mercury-based compound into infants and children? It's disturbing to me that a European country was either administering knowingly messed up vaccines or old ones from before 2002 known to have a problem. The US gets its entire vaccine supply from Europe.

Can you give a citation for the bolded, please?

[Seesaw]

May 28, 2012 9:28:21 GMT -5 gpw said:

May 28, 2012 9:20:16 GMT -5 @Seesaw said:

It's not just the Italian court that says the thimerosal caused autism. The US asst Attorney General and panel ruled the same in US Fed claims court. I don't know what the scientific/medical qualifications are for asst attorney general or the attorney general, but they like to tell me cigarettes cause cancer and can do an unborn baby harm.

Can you give a citation for the bolded, please?

The original article in the first post.

"In a ruling that kept very quiet in the press, the US Court of Federal Claims has conceded that the mercury-based preservative thimerosal, which was in vaccines until 2002, caused autism in the case of one child.

The ruling was just one of 4,900 cases currently being considered for compensation payments. Health officials are concerned that it could open the floodgates for even more claims.

The ruling, made by US Assistant Attorney General Peter Keisler, was made last November, and was one of three test cases into the MMR-autism link that was being considered by a three-member panel, which Keisler chaired.

The case involved a child who received nine vaccinations in July 2000, when she was 18 months old. Two of these contained thimerosal"

[arborgold]

May 28, 2012 10:41:26 GMT -5 @Seesaw said:

May 28, 2012 9:28:21 GMT -5 gpw said:

Can you give a citation for the bolded, please?

The original article in the first post.

"In a ruling that kept very quiet in the press, the US Court of Federal Claims has conceded that the mercury-based preservative thimerosal, which was in vaccines until 2002, caused autism in the case of one child.

The ruling was just one of 4,900 cases currently being considered for compensation payments. Health officials are concerned that it could open the floodgates for even more claims.

The ruling, made by US Assistant Attorney General Peter Keisler, was made last November, and was one of three test cases into the MMR-autism link that was being considered by a three-member panel, which Keisler chaired.

The case involved a child who received nine vaccinations in July 2000, when she was 18 months old. Two of these contained thimerosal"

I'll see your citation to the uncited quote in the above article, and raise you this link to John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, with links to ACTUAL rulings by the US Court of Federal Claims, finding no link between thimerosal and alleged vaccine injuries: www.vaccinesafety.edu/autism-testcases.htm

[arborgold]

May 28, 2012 10:47:01 GMT -5 arborgold said:

May 28, 2012 10:41:26 GMT -5 @Seesaw said:

The original article in the first post.

"In a ruling that kept very quiet in the press, the US Court of Federal Claims has conceded that the mercury-based preservative thimerosal, which was in vaccines until 2002, caused autism in the case of one child.

The ruling was just one of 4,900 cases currently being considered for compensation payments. Health officials are concerned that it could open the floodgates for even more claims.

The ruling, made by US Assistant Attorney General Peter Keisler, was made last November, and was one of three test cases into the MMR-autism link that was being considered by a three-member panel, which Keisler chaired.

The case involved a child who received nine vaccinations in July 2000, when she was 18 months old. Two of these contained thimerosal"

I'll see your citation to the uncited quote in the above article, and raise you this link to John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, with links to ACTUAL rulings by the US Court of Federal Claims, finding no link between thimerosal and alleged vaccine injuries: www.vaccinesafety.edu/autism-testcases.htm

ETA: I'm inclined to believe that whatever "journalist" wrote the above article was talking out his or her ass.

Because the three test cases were these: Cedillo v. HHS, Hazlehurst v. HHS, and Snyder v. HHS, and in all three, the Special Masters found that petitioners were UNABLE to prove that the MMR vaccine or thimerosal-containing vaccines contributed to the injuries they were alleging.

[pescalita]

May 28, 2012 1:55:36 GMT -5 KateAggie said:

It's all ridiculous, but I especially loved the assertion that the Lancet withdrew their support of the article because of "official outrage."

My fave was "In its defence, the US government claimed..."

[KateAggie]

No. NO. It can't be. Seesaw is anti-vax??? This is at least as shocking as the Tooth Fairy debacle of 1984 (without the blood and money, of course.)

[Seesaw]

May 28, 2012 13:16:36 GMT -5 ribth said:

As to your second statement, what are you basing this on? Vaccines are manufactured everywhere, throughout the world, not just in Europe. And, while some of the pharmaceutical companies that supply them are European, most of those companies are global.

It may be true that they are manufactured throughout the world, just not in the USA. My sources are my daily job. I work with US government in collaboration with those of other countries to prevent the spread of disease and protect health. Many vitamins and all vaccines are not manufactured in the USA. Sorry, the details are not linkable to you. They are not online.