Since power grabbing and overreaching is common here, please note I have appointed myself as Chief Justice of the GBCN Tribunal of Justice. Our first ruling is as follows:
Cjoy, you have gone too far.
/gavel
Permission to address the members of the tribunal?
So the issue at hand is what sort of ethical stance do you want moderators to take? I think most of us are pretty clear on what needs to be deleted. However we seem to have *ahem* differing views on what to do with the information we can see on which threads are reported.
Let's go with the idea that cjoy genuinely came across the SO post all by her little lonesome and with no help from her mod powers. At some point, it's clear that she was aware that it had been reported with the assistance of her mod hat. Doesn't it stand to reason that she should have deleted the ML thread?
Is that really such a novel concept?
This is where I'm at. Even if she wasn't notified through our system, apparently another mod told her it was reported. So you can't even use the excuse that maybe she didn't see it.
Deleting due to personal information seems like it should be straightforward, but having had to make decisions about it, it can be complicated and the definitions vary from board to board. Obviously people's real names and employers count, and that's a bright line any mod should be able to respond to on any board. But what about things like old screennames, hints about identity, google terms? What about things that aren't identifiable on their own, but are when combined with other common knowledge on the board that a global mod doesn't necessarily have? I suspect the rules would differ between different boards right now. I also suspect they'd differ within a board depending on how well-liked the poster being targeted is.
If you guys want to take a stab at writing a policy everyone would agree with, that mods can reasonably follow, and that covers most possible circumstances--go for it. If we can really come up with something like that, it would be great, because it could protect both posters and mods.
Can you post an annoucement poll in which everyone is allowed to vote on what they consider personal info as a start and possibly a second one about board mod powers crossing to another board?
I think you could post each potential personal info item and everyone could check what should be deleted. For example: Name City Former Screen name Etc.
I think Lyss has said it really well. I don't even think there needs to be some huge agreement made. If you're a mod, I think you bear some extra responsibility when something like this comes up. At a minimum, you don't need to draw the attention of an entire other board to something a board is trying to have deleted, even if you don't want to deal with deleting or determining what is personal info.
Pixy: mods don't meds with other boards unless spam or personal info. If you see something, report so we know fast
So now I see personal info. Do I take pixy's advice, or am I worried cjoy is going to use it as an opportunity to point and laugh and spread it farther?
Post by lyssbobiss, Command, B613 on Feb 11, 2013 15:53:08 GMT -5
This is probably naive; however, I hold a mod to a slightly higher standard than a regular poster because you have access to more information and you have the ability to alter threads. I would expect more, I guess, than running back to spread some gossip on a thread where plenty of people are begging to have it deleted.
However, the infighting here between all of the mods isn't really helping to resolve it either. And now it's not going to get resolved because now people are asking for THIS thread to be deleted for the sake of proving a point.
We don't have to agree about whether it was cool but I do think we should agree on what is cool moving forward.
"This prick is asking for someone here to bring him to task Somebody give me some dirt on this vacuous mass so we can at last unmask him I'll pull the trigger on it, someone load the gun and cock it While we were all watching, he got Washington in his pocket."
Pixy: mods don't meds with other boards unless spam or personal info. If you see something, report so we know fast
So now I see personal info. Do I take pixy's advice, or am I worried cjoy is going to use it as an opportunity to point and laugh and spread it farther?
i would send it to pixy and hope she gets on it fast because i also assume cjoy is going to go all high school on it and spread it farther.
Because of this our powers were limited. I can no longer see reports, so if you need something deleted and I don't see it immediately, PM me. This means I can't delete anything on other boards either.
The reason we didn't want to go to this is because regular mods can't see reported threads. Only global mods and admins.
Well this mod didn't see this shit go down, but even if I had I would not have touched the post with a 10 foot pole. Boards like ML, CEP, and SO all seem to have their own rules about when to give an OP an deletion and when not to. I'm not going to mess with you all. I will however delete if it's very clearly spam or something that posted several times (glitch), etc. That said, I've yet to delete one post since moving to GBCN.
And plenty of people here share their first names without an issue. I don't want to start seeing tons of reported posts because someone called someone else by their first name and it's perfectly okay with the people in the post, but someone else sees it and considers it too personal. That's the benefit of having each mod know their boards and now what each person puts out there about themselves on a regular basis.
Because of this our powers were limited. I can no longer see reports, so if you need something deleted and I don't see it immediately, PM me. This means I can't delete anything on other boards either.
The reason we didn't want to go to this is because regular mods can't see reported threads. Only global mods and admins.
Wait, just now your powers were limited? Because of this mess?
Because of this our powers were limited. I can no longer see reports, so if you need something deleted and I don't see it immediately, PM me. This means I can't delete anything on other boards either.
The reason we didn't want to go to this is because regular mods can't see reported threads. Only global mods and admins.
Wait, just now your powers were limited? Because of this mess?
i can't believe cjoy is still a mod after all this shit.
Yes.
My takeaway question is what is the mechanism for removing a mod, and can we please enact it to remove Cjoy? She has shown such a lapse in judgement that I don't trust her to have any powers on any other board. I guess if ML still wants her that is their business.
"This prick is asking for someone here to bring him to task Somebody give me some dirt on this vacuous mass so we can at last unmask him I'll pull the trigger on it, someone load the gun and cock it While we were all watching, he got Washington in his pocket."
Because of this our powers were limited. I can no longer see reports, so if you need something deleted and I don't see it immediately, PM me. This means I can't delete anything on other boards either.
The reason we didn't want to go to this is because regular mods can't see reported threads. Only global mods and admins.
Wait, just now your powers were limited? Because of this mess?
They are limited because we have to choose between bad options. Before the upgrade, we could limit non-global mods to see and act on only reported posts from their own boards. In the new board, we have to either give people access to a reporting area or not--so we erred on the side of giving more people access, but that meant people could see and act on reported posts that weren't from their own board. We're hoping Patrick can help us get something more like what we had before. In the meantime, apparently we aren't responsible enough to have that many people in a global reporting area, so we're limiting it to just global mods and admins now. Mods still have the same powers to edit/delete their own boards if you PM them, but they can't see the area with reported posts.
I'm sorry, pixy. I don't know if that makes your job harder or not, but if it does, I'm sorry.
So, if we want a thread deleted, the best option is to just pm pixy? Because if we report it, only Ellie, y4m, and...ESD I think? can see it?
Y4M, Ellie, ESD, CJ, me, and pixy. So, your methods of getting something deleted or attended to are: -report it -PM/email pixy -send an email to gbcnmods@gmail.com - this emails the admins & globals to our personal email accts
Honestly though, between the group of us and knowing how often we're all online, I really feel like most stuff will get deleted pretty quickly. I think we should give it a while before deciding that it's not enough coverage.
I'm sorry, pixy. I don't know if that makes your job harder or not, but if it does, I'm sorry.
So, if we want a thread deleted, the best option is to just pm pixy? Because if we report it, only Ellie, y4m, and...ESD I think? can see it?
Yep and cjeanette is a global mod as well.
FWIW, I'm fairly easy to get a hold of if needed and I do check for reports multiple times per day. I'll start checking more often now. There are a few that can get a hold of me off the board fairly quickly, habbsies being one of them.
i can't believe cjoy is still a mod after all this shit.
Yes.
My takeaway question is what is the mechanism for removing a mod, and can we please enact it to remove Cjoy? She has shown such a lapse in judgement that I don't trust her to have any powers on any other board. I guess if ML still wants her that is their business.
Yes, why hasn't she been removed? With all the false info you guys have drummed up in this thread and chosen to propogate as fact, I just can't figure it out.