A friend of mine started her son on hormones for a "growth disorder", she is 4'10 and her husband is 5'2. Her kid is just little and short and I feel bad that they think he needs to be bigger to have a better life. He is now having jaw and joint issues because if it. What if parents started giving their fat kids diet pills because they are getting made fun of and aren't athletic enough? It makes me sad that people can't except their kids for who they are. I do realize that there are kids out there that need this and I have no clue what frkls situation is.
i know i should ignore you, but it pisses me off that you posted this and never came back. there is so much wrong with this post, i can't stand it. the only real question i have for you is why "growth disorder" is in quotation marks.
I was working, sorry. Growth disorder is in quotes because he was never diagnosed. She basically diagnosed him so he could be bigger and then bounced from doctor to doctor to find someone to prescribe him medication. He is having issues, because said doctor had no clue what he was doing. He is small, his parents are small. He never has a chance at being 6' and there is nothing wrong with that. It's sad to me that is all. And for the record I posted earlier without seeing your post. I'm sure your son sees a good doctor and I didn't post to be judging you.
Post by Saint Monica on May 14, 2013 18:41:20 GMT -5
1. I find short guys just as manly/tough as tall ones. The only 'preconceived notion' I have is that the shorter a guy is the *cough* taller he is um, elsewhere.
2. IDK I think all men are encouraged to be less tough/aggressive than in the past so height really doesnt factor into things
i know i should ignore you, but it pisses me off that you posted this and never came back. there is so much wrong with this post, i can't stand it. the only real question i have for you is why "growth disorder" is in quotation marks.
I was working, sorry. Growth disorder is in quotes because he was never diagnosed. She basically diagnosed him so he could be bigger and then bounced from doctor to doctor to find someone to prescribe him medication. He is having issues, because said doctor had no clue what he was doing. He is small, his parents are small. He never has a chance at being 6' and there is nothing wrong with that. It's sad to me that is all. And for the record I posted earlier without seeing your post. I'm sure your son sees a good doctor and I didn't post to be judging you.
Of course there is no chance to be 6 feet tall.
But maybe there is a chance to be 5'8" or even just 5'6" -- still better than 5'2" (or even shorter).
i know i should ignore you, but it pisses me off that you posted this and never came back. there is so much wrong with this post, i can't stand it. the only real question i have for you is why "growth disorder" is in quotation marks.
I was working, sorry. Growth disorder is in quotes because he was never diagnosed. She basically diagnosed him so he could be bigger and then bounced from doctor to doctor to find someone to prescribe him medication. He is having issues, because said doctor had no clue what he was doing. He is small, his parents are small. He never has a chance at being 6' and there is nothing wrong with that. It's sad to me that is all. And for the record I posted earlier without seeing your post. I'm sure your son sees a good doctor and I didn't post to be judging you.
Are you an endocrinologist or just a judgmental bitch?
I find it sad because many doctors said he is just short and that his parents didn't accept that. So they had to search to find one that was shady and now the boy is going to having lasting issues due to it.
And I don't know why being 5'8 is better than being 5'2. My cousin is a 5', 100lb jockey. He is married, has kids, is very successful and is a very happy guy.
I was working, sorry. Growth disorder is in quotes because he was never diagnosed. She basically diagnosed him so he could be bigger and then bounced from doctor to doctor to find someone to prescribe him medication. He is having issues, because said doctor had no clue what he was doing. He is small, his parents are small. He never has a chance at being 6' and there is nothing wrong with that. It's sad to me that is all. And for the record I posted earlier without seeing your post. I'm sure your son sees a good doctor and I didn't post to be judging you.
Are you an endocrinologist or just a judgmental bitch?
I find it sad because many doctors said he is just short and that his parents didn't accept that. So they had to search to find one that was shady and now the boy is going to having lasting issues due to it.
And I don't know why being 5'8 is better than being 5'2. My cousin is a 5', 100lb jockey. He is married, has kids, is very successful and is a very happy guy.
Let me break this down for you in a simple way.
Being a man who is 5'8" is just generally better than being a man that is 5'2". Taller men, as a whole, are more successful. Studies prove this. In the same vein, it's a known fact that a white male has a greater chance of having an awesome life in the U.S. than a black female.
Your jockey cousin is like Oprah Winfrey -- an exception.
My husband is short-he is about 5'5. He never got teased as a teen, or as an adult, however, the doctors told him the reason he is short is because of the brain tumor he had when he was 16. Basically, he stopped growing taller after that. His sister is like 6 foot something, lol. He does not seem to mind at all.
I was working, sorry. Growth disorder is in quotes because he was never diagnosed. She basically diagnosed him so he could be bigger and then bounced from doctor to doctor to find someone to prescribe him medication. He is having issues, because said doctor had no clue what he was doing. He is small, his parents are small. He never has a chance at being 6' and there is nothing wrong with that. It's sad to me that is all. And for the record I posted earlier without seeing your post. I'm sure your son sees a good doctor and I didn't post to be judging you.
Of course there is no chance to be 6 feet tall.
But maybe there is a chance to be 5'8" or even just 5'6" -- still better than 5'2" (or even shorter).
Please explain why you keep saying this is sad.
I have no reason to back pedal. It may be hard to believe but my post had nothing to do with you. I even added I didn't know what your circumstances were. Miso quoted this and asked why I was sad. So I responded to this post. That's all.
It does make me sad that people (particularly this couple) can't accept their children, THAT DON'T HAVE A GROWTH DISORDER.
But maybe there is a chance to be 5'8" or even just 5'6" -- still better than 5'2" (or even shorter).
Please explain why you keep saying this is sad.
I have no reason to back pedal. It may be hard to believe but my post had nothing to do with you. I even added I didn't know what your circumstances were. Miso quoted this and asked why I was sad. So I responded to this post. That's all.
It does make me sad that people (particularly this couple) can't accept their children, THAT DON'T HAVE A GROWTH DISORDER.
*Delurking* I am also a little skeptical that they found a random doctor who would just start shooting up their child with hormones without actually having an issue.
My son is small - he is 5 and in the 4th% for height. I am 5'8 and my husband is 5'11, so we aren't short. There is clearly an issue with his size (his weight is the 7Th%) and we are likely going to have tests done in the next year to make a decision as to whether or not we want/need to do some sort of hormone treatments. It is not an easy decision and I am willing to bet that there is more to this story than you, as their friend, knows. I do know I want my son to be taller than 5'4, which is the path he is on now, according to his pediatrician. It doesn't make me a bad parent for wanting that.
Frkls, can I ask how the medication works? My old coworker was getting this treatment for his son but I overheard him and didn't want to look nosy so I couldn't ask any questions.
It sounds like a hormone that triggers something in the brain to make you grow? Science is cool.
Frkls, can I ask how the medication works? My old coworker was getting this treatment for his son but I overheard him and didn't want to look nosy so I couldn't ask any questions.
It sounds like a hormone that triggers something in the brain to make you grow? Science is cool.
Growth hormone is secreted by the pituitary gland which causes growth/cell reproduction. The hormone replacement therapy just gives them what theire body isn't producing (enough of).
Feel sorry for my husband. He's a completely normal 5'10", but married to a 6'2" freak. Our height difference disgusted our wedding guests. You should see the pics.
frkls. I can identify a tiny bit. Maya was born with a hemangioma on her face, and we decided to treat for it when she was 3 months. I had another mom pull a dizzydee and tell me HER kid LOVED her hemangioma, and that they loved her just the way she was and didn't need to "fix" her. It was really upsetting. We treated Maya because we love her, we never wanted her to be teased or for her self-esteem to suffer, because her doctors recommended it, and because she would have had lasting damage otherwise. I'll never forget our first meeting with the pediatric derm. She looked at Maya and said "Oh, pretty girl! Let's get her face fixed right up." I wanted to kiss her. She was so matter-of-fact that it was the right thing to do. Anyway. I hope you get my point here. I think you're the shit.
frkls. I can identify a tiny bit. Maya was born with a hemangioma on her face, and we decided to treat for it when she was 3 months. I had another mom pull a dizzydee and tell me HER kid LOVED her hemangioma, and that they loved her just the way she was and didn't need to "fix" her. It was really upsetting. We treated Maya because we love her, we never wanted her to be teased or for her self-esteem to suffer, because her doctors recommended it, and because she would have had lasting damage otherwise. I'll never forget our first meeting with the pediatric derm. She looked at Maya and said "Oh, pretty girl! Let's get her face fixed right up." I wanted to kiss her. She was so matter-of-fact that it was the right thing to do. Anyway. I hope you get my point here. I think you're the shit.
Back 'atcha, babe. Also - we have the benefit of already having a successful treatment over and done with. Her sweet face is perfect now. I've never regretted it, not for a moment.
frkls was a great resource when DS was continuing to fall off of the growth charts. It wasn't a matter of him not being tall, it was a matter of him not growing at the pace he should be growing. Ya know, seemingly healthy and well fed kid being smaller than 99% of children 3 months younger than him in the WORLD. The not being tall was symptomatic of a larger issue. Docs aren't like oh you're short shoot em up. It involves a lot, a LOT more than that.
DS rebounded really well after a few months of growth checks and we are currently not looking into more tests and treatment. But seriously, "growth disorder"? GRRRRRRRRRRRRR If he needs the help to grow at a pace that is healthy for his age group, we will get it for him. End of story.
frkls I did growth hormone replacement unti, I was 15 (Turner's p,us short family so I fell WAAAY off the growth chart so Endo recommended it) my parents always presented it as medicine I needed to be healthy and honestly until I was much older I never really thought about the appearance side of it. Of course I'm a girl so it could be different for a boy but I think if you present it in terms of health that's how he'll view it.
dizzydee your being a judgey idiot. My parents could've written off my shortness as my condition and fami,y genetics but they did what was best for me and paid to get me the shots so I could have an easier life and I'm am so grateful they made that decision. I'm sure paying for the shots (insanely expensive and insurance is bitchy about paying) while raising 4 kids wasn't easy and giving nightly injections to your child isn't fun. In fact I r,e end vividly the night mom tripped and dropped the injection and a full dose sprayed across the floor and she cried for one of the few times I saw. Your friends are doing their best for their son. I also have a guy friend who is my height (shorties have to stick together) and he bitched all though HS about his parents not doing more to get him the shots. He's come to terms now but I know he still wishes they'd gotten him the shots (we were recently got together with our spouses and kids and he was saying that if his son slows his growth he'd take him to the Endo)
Post by weardogbride on May 15, 2013 8:47:34 GMT -5
This is a really interesting thread. My son will be three in August and hovers between not being on the growth chart to about the 5%. He only weighs 25lbs and is the shortest in his preschool class by almost a full head. I'm not going to lie, my DH and I are both concerned. He is not a great eater and my SIL was so small she had a lot of problems and was on a lot of meds. She had a tough time growing up. Our pedi has said that if he hasn't made up any grounds by his third birthday, he would refer us to an endocrinologist. I am so hesitant to go down that road bc of potential side effects, but I am also worried about bullying down the road. I don't know what we will do when the time comes, I'm just hoping he makes up some ground this summer!
frkls. I can identify a tiny bit. Maya was born with a hemangioma on her face, and we decided to treat for it when she was 3 months. I had another mom pull a dizzydee and tell me HER kid LOVED her hemangioma, and that they loved her just the way she was and didn't need to "fix" her. It was really upsetting. We treated Maya because we love her, we never wanted her to be teased or for her self-esteem to suffer, because her doctors recommended it, and because she would have had lasting damage otherwise. I'll never forget our first meeting with the pediatric derm. She looked at Maya and said "Oh, pretty girl! Let's get her face fixed right up." I wanted to kiss her. She was so matter-of-fact that it was the right thing to do. Anyway. I hope you get my point here. I think you're the shit.
What kind of treatment did your daughter get, if you don't mind my asking?
My son has a large hemangioma smack dab in the middle of his forehead. We did laser therapy a few times - made it worse. Then we went to Children's hospital and they put him on a steroid for 3 weeks, then weened off, and replaced with propranolol - which is an adult blood pressure medication. We go back to the hospital every month to check the dosage because he's just a little man - 16 mo old. The treatment is working, but it's not entirely gone. And this is more of an experimental treatment as there aren't any studies yet. I'm just curious what kind of treatment you guys received to make it go away.
On a side note - did you ever get nasty comments from people about the tumor? Every time we took DS in public people would comment, quite rudely. It was crushing how awful people can be. Our doctors relayed the obvious that there was a good chance he'd suffer psychologically from the taunting/negativity because of it. For us, it was a no-brainer to treat it.
Coconut, Maya started Propranalol when she was 3 mo old. It was a miracle for us. It had no side effects, and took until she was about 9 months to completely involute. We later followed up with two laser treatments...I don't think the vast majority of people could ever tell it was there now. Our doc and the Children's Hospital in Chicago were among the pioneers of the treatment and they use it a lot here, now. We only had to go to the hospital one time, though, and then maybe two follow-ups with the derm during treatment? I used headbands a lot when she still had it :/ It hurt my heart to have people gush over Naomi and then not over Maya, so I just hid the damn thing. I think you will be SO, SO thrilled in the end. Here, let me give you a before and after...I'll start a new thread and tag you. Please LMK if you have any questions at all.
Post by Wrath0fKuus on May 15, 2013 13:21:57 GMT -5
Am I the only one who gets where dizzy is coming from here? Everyone wants their kids to have the best chances at all the best things in life, so we're ambling toward a Number Twelve Looks Just Like You situation. I am glad at least one other person is disturbed by that.
This is a really interesting thread. My son will be three in August and hovers between not being on the growth chart to about the 5%. He only weighs 25lbs and is the shortest in his preschool class by almost a full head. I'm not going to lie, my DH and I are both concerned. He is not a great eater and my SIL was so small she had a lot of problems and was on a lot of meds. She had a tough time growing up. Our pedi has said that if he hasn't made up any grounds by his third birthday, he would refer us to an endocrinologist. I am so hesitant to go down that road bc of potential side effects, but I am also worried about bullying down the road. I don't know what we will do when the time comes, I'm just hoping he makes up some ground this summer!
our endocrinologist is the head pediatric endocrinologist and a professor of pediatrics at vanderbilt. he says that there have been extensive long-term studies on the safety of synthetic growth hormones and there have never been any significant side effects reported. he says they are extremely safe. i was worried too. i have also asked extensively about drug interactions.
Thanks for this! I will admit, I haven't done a ton of research but i feel we will make the decision to treat him if he is deficient.