This can't be a real thing - Chiro for animals

[wawa]

My sister is a licensed horse masseuse.

That's all I've got.

[Deleted]

I really love hearing my smil wax poetic on the virtues of anti vaxxing her pets

[redheadbaker]

Jun 28, 2013 20:10:12 GMT -5 @missusbee said:

I really love hearing my smil wax poetic on the virtues of anti vaxxing her pets

Well, there is evidence that, historically, we are over-vaccinating our pets. My dogs are on a 3-year "rotating" schedule. They get rabies year 1, the distemper combo vaccine year 2, and nothing year 3; repeat. 

My kid, however, is on the CDC schedule. 

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Jun 28, 2013 21:04:05 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Jun 28, 2013 20:10:12 GMT -5 @missusbee said:

I really love hearing my smil wax poetic on the virtues of anti vaxxing her pets

Well, there is evidence that, historically, we are over-vaccinating our pets. My dogs are on a 3-year "rotating" schedule. They get rabies year 1, the distemper combo vaccine year 2, and nothing year 3; repeat. 

My kid, however, is on the CDC schedule. 

You poison your dog with the rabies vaccine?!?

::gasp::


;-)

[greencrayon]

Jun 28, 2013 21:04:05 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Jun 28, 2013 20:10:12 GMT -5 @missusbee said:

I really love hearing my smil wax poetic on the virtues of anti vaxxing her pets

Well, there is evidence that, historically, we are over-vaccinating our pets. My dogs are on a 3-year "rotating" schedule. They get rabies year 1, the distemper combo vaccine year 2, and nothing year 3; repeat. 

My kid, however, is on the CDC schedule. 

What does over-vaccination mean?

[Deleted]

Jun 28, 2013 21:35:53 GMT -5 @missusbee said:

Jun 28, 2013 21:04:05 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Well, there is evidence that, historically, we are over-vaccinating our pets. My dogs are on a 3-year "rotating" schedule. They get rabies year 1, the distemper combo vaccine year 2, and nothing year 3; repeat. 

My kid, however, is on the CDC schedule. 

You poison your dog with the rabies vaccine?!?

::gasp::


;-)

Vaccinations are a trigger for my dog's auto immune disorder. I'm dreading his rabies vaccination in December and really hoping it doesn't cause a relapse. Our neurologist doesn't want him getting any vaccinations that aren't required by law.

[Deleted]

Jun 29, 2013 7:29:26 GMT -5 greencrayon said:

Jun 28, 2013 21:04:05 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Well, there is evidence that, historically, we are over-vaccinating our pets. My dogs are on a 3-year "rotating" schedule. They get rabies year 1, the distemper combo vaccine year 2, and nothing year 3; repeat. 

My kid, however, is on the CDC schedule. 

What does over-vaccination mean?

I don't know about your vet but mine wants to vaccinate my dog for everything once a year. It's not medically necessary and in some dogs can actually be harmful. Luckily we're only required to get rabies every the years for licensing in my state.

[Deleted]

My dog has really bad arthritis and pain, so I would consider a chiro or any other treatment that could help her.

[redheadbaker]

Jun 29, 2013 8:26:41 GMT -5 @ameliapond said:

Jun 29, 2013 7:29:26 GMT -5 greencrayon said:

What does over-vaccination mean?

I don't know about your vet but mine wants to vaccinate my dog for everything once a year. It's not medically necessary and in some dogs can actually be harmful. Luckily we're only required to get rabies every the years for licensing in my state.

Exactly. Plus, my vet wants to give my dogs vaccines they don't even need, like bordatella (the kennel cough vaccine). Aside from the fact that it's not the most effective, my dog A) doesn't go to dog parks and B) doesn't get boarded. She doesn't need, but they put on heavy pressure to get it anyway. 

[greencrayon]

Jun 29, 2013 8:26:41 GMT -5 @ameliapond said:

Jun 29, 2013 7:29:26 GMT -5 greencrayon said:

What does over-vaccination mean?

I don't know about your vet but mine wants to vaccinate my dog for everything once a year. It's not medically necessary and in some dogs can actually be harmful. Luckily we're only required to get rabies every the years for licensing in my state.

How do you know it's not medically necessary? What is the harm to dogs in doing it? 

[RoxMonster]

If my dog was in a ton of pain and doing acupuncture or chiro on her could possibly help, I would do it. But then again, I am a crazy dog person who thinks of her like she is my child, and I'm totally OK with that

[foundmylazybum]

Jun 29, 2013 11:40:04 GMT -5 greencrayon said:

Jun 29, 2013 8:26:41 GMT -5 @ameliapond said:

I don't know about your vet but mine wants to vaccinate my dog for everything once a year. It's not medically necessary and in some dogs can actually be harmful. Luckily we're only required to get rabies every the years for licensing in my state.

How do you know it's not medically necessary? What is the harm to dogs in doing it? 

My cat had a severe reaction twice to rabies vaccines--the second time he almost died. He was an indoor cat so we ("we" our family and vet) just said it was too big a risk to continue giving the vaccine.


He ended up getting a vaccine related fibrosarcoma at the injection site  and dying. The reaction was what made it not medically necessary--the cancer was the "harm."



Also, chiropractic care is very popular--almost a standard of care with horses used in therapy programs.

Also, a lot of chiropractors and massage therapists can't stand each other.

[caden]

Jun 29, 2013 11:30:04 GMT -5 @bunnybean said:

Jun 29, 2013 11:24:07 GMT -5 @cse1960 said:

Racehorses, greyhounds, other long-backed animals can benefit from chiropractic, and this happens pretty frequently on the race circuits.

I can believe they benefit from massage or physical therapy, but the specific insanity that is chiropractics is not medically sound by any means. Many chiropractors are also masseurs/masseuses or physical therapists, so any benefit people (or animals) get from it is just massage/therapy.

thank you. And just to be clear I didn't post this because I judge pet owners for getting their pets expensive treatments. Or treatments that are mostly for humans. I posted it because I think chiropractic is a lot of non-science woo-woo and I was surprised that has moved into the non-human sphere. By all means get your pets or racehorses whatever treatment works. Emphasis on the "works".

[ttt]

Jun 28, 2013 19:29:03 GMT -5 wawa said:

My sister is a licensed horse masseuse.

That's all I've got.

Licensed by whom???

[2curlydogs]

Jun 29, 2013 11:40:04 GMT -5 greencrayon said:

Jun 29, 2013 8:26:41 GMT -5 @ameliapond said:

I don't know about your vet but mine wants to vaccinate my dog for everything once a year. It's not medically necessary and in some dogs can actually be harmful. Luckily we're only required to get rabies every the years for licensing in my state.

How do you know it's not medically necessary? What is the harm to dogs in doing it? 

For the same reason you don't get annual vaccinations.

Canine immune systems respond to vaccinations largely the same way humans do. There is a host of scientific evidence that the standard set of puppy shots provide at least 7-10 year immunity, and many studies showing lifetime immunity.  Veterinary schools and the major veterinary medical associations have come out and reversed the standard policy of annual vaccination to vaccinating at most every 3 years.  And recently the AVMA has released a statement that some animals could require waiver from vaccination, period, because of the risks involved.

The largest study being done right now that I'm aware of is the Rabies Challenge study.  It's run out of UW Wisconsin by Dr. Ron Schultz.  You can google it, but here's a statement from Dr. Schultz "Showing that a vaccine for rabies can provide 5 or preferably 7 years of immunity would have great significance not only in controlling rabies but more importantly in reducing the adverse vaccine reactions that can occur in dogs and cats after vaccination." 

The harm can range from anything to sarcomas to autoimmune disorders to death. For example, in cats vaccinations have been directly linked to the cause of a fairly aggressive form of cancer that almost always results in amputation and many times death. Again, from the Rabies Challenge site: "the rabies vaccine is the most potent of the veterinary vaccines and associated with significant adverse reactions such as polyneuropathy resulting in muscular atrophy, inhibition or interruption of neuronal control of tissue and organ function, incoordination, and weakness, auto-immune hemolytic anemia, autoimmune diseases affecting the thyroid, joints, blood, eyes, skin, kidney, liver, bowel and central nervous system; anaphylactic shock; aggression; seizures; epilepsy; and fibrosarcomas at injection sites are all linked to the rabies vaccine."

Our vet (regular old AAHA-accredited vet) hasn't recommended annual vaccinations for the main vaxes (rabies, DHPP) in over a decade.  It is an outdated, dangerous practice.

[Deleted]

Jun 29, 2013 11:40:04 GMT -5 greencrayon said:

Jun 29, 2013 8:26:41 GMT -5 @ameliapond said:

I don't know about your vet but mine wants to vaccinate my dog for everything once a year. It's not medically necessary and in some dogs can actually be harmful. Luckily we're only required to get rabies every the years for licensing in my state.

How do you know it's not medically necessary? What is the harm to dogs in doing it? 

Well, my dog has an autoimmune disorder that was likely caused by over vaccination during his track career. His white blood cells attack his hind brain and upper spinal cord and he'll be on medication or chemotherapy for the rest of his life. So there's that.

[Deleted]

I'd also like to add that the neurologist that treats my dog and recommends not vaxxing him other than rabies got his veterinary degree from Cornell and did a canine neurology residency at UPenn. So he's about as far from quack as you can get.

[greencrayon]

Thank you for all your responses!

[2curlydogs]

Jun 29, 2013 16:05:44 GMT -5 greencrayon said:

Thank you for all your responses!

Here's the AAHA's vaccination guidelines.  There are 2 "groups" of vaccines - core (things like Rabies, Distemper, Parvo) and non-core (leptospirosis, lyme, etc.). Core vaccines are recommended for all dogs. Non-core are for dogs whose lifestyles require it (e.g. if you live in Lyme, CT, odds are you probably want to get your dog the Lyme vaccine).

But it also addresses a lot of what we talked about and links/references the actual studies, with a whole section on adverse effects.

www.aahanet.org/PublicDocuments/CanineVaccineGuidelines.pdf

[Deleted]

We tried to have acupuncture done on our dog. Only his anxiety is so horrific the girl could not even get close enough to him to do anything.
I have heard great things about it though. Sadly my dog will never know!

[elleblue]

Jun 28, 2013 21:04:05 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Jun 28, 2013 20:10:12 GMT -5 @missusbee said:

I really love hearing my smil wax poetic on the virtues of anti vaxxing her pets

Well, there is evidence that, historically, we are over-vaccinating our pets. My dogs are on a 3-year "rotating" schedule. They get rabies year 1, the distemper combo vaccine year 2, and nothing year 3; repeat. 

My kid, however, is on the CDC schedule. 

We titer* test our dogs. So much better for them than giving them the vax(s) each year. We do have to do rabies each year (CA law) unfortunately. Both dogs have had adverse reactions to different vax at different times. Since we've titered them, the test has shown that they have plenty of (whatever) antibodies they're testing for still in their system.

*a test to check to see if the vaccine is still present/working in their systems

[wawa]

Jun 29, 2013 12:55:45 GMT -5 ttt said:

Jun 28, 2013 19:29:03 GMT -5 wawa said:

My sister is a licensed horse masseuse.

That's all I've got.

Licensed by whom???

Beats the shit out of me.


ETA : I checked her website. I mispoke she'sa ccertified equine massage therapist. Not licensed. Certified.

[kwpnjumper55]

My horse has a chiro, we do show jumping and it's hard on his back and body.

[Melissa W.]

Lots of show horses have chiros, accupuncturists, and massage therapists. 

[IIOY]

Lord, this thread.

[LoveTrains]

If I thought acupuncture, massage therapy, or a chiropractor would help my dog, I would gladly go see them.