Nothing will change my position on this issue because it isn't about the procedure. It's about the freedom for women to make their own medical decisions without governmental intrusion.
I moved from pro choice legally but pro life for myself to fully pro choice.
And I was told all the same stuff Pixy was told (when you have kids, when we had TTTC). The people who questioned me on choice stuff when we were having TTTC were the worst.
After my son was born at 26 weeks (preeclampsia diagnosed at 24 weeks.) I was asked if it changed my feelings. Yes it did, I am now firmly in the no limits, no restrictions camp. You need a late 2nd or third trimester abortion? None of my damn business.
Interestingly, I think my experience changed my mom to be more pro choice. Realizing if that condition happened earlier there was only one option or else we'd both die - it was eye opening to her.
I spent quite a number of my teen years in a Pentecostal church. I was told that if I questioned any of the teachings I would go to hell because God condemns people for "blasphemy".
I questioned anyways. I stopped associating with all religion when I was 17, after I left for college. I still maintained my pro-life stance because it was just programmed into my head. When I was 18 my best friend had an abortion and was shunned from a lot of her church family. It made me incredibly sad because she was an extraordinary person. Her parents were users and she was raised by her grandparents, who were really fucking old, so her church family was everything to her. It made me so angry that they were so nasty to her.
I was very conflicted for a few years. I read about abortion here and there. Then I read a magazine article about a woman who chose to abort because her baby had a disease where his bones would break as he moved through the birth canal and he would die shortly thereafter. She had to go to extreme measures to get an abortion. I think that's really what put me over the edge into firmly pro-choice. I can't imagine ever changing my stance now.
Post by AllieHound on Jul 13, 2013 21:02:39 GMT -5
I sincerely doubt there would be anything that would sway me. Legally, I'm pro-choice with no restrictions. Morally, I have a much more difficult time with abortion. I sincerely doubt that I'll ever start voting more anti-choice, and I sincerely doubt that I'm going to suddenly stop having personal issues with certain abortions.
I can't say anything that hasn't been said. Getting PG - it makes me less likely to want to abort. But never in a million years could I ever want to take that choice away from anyone else. My choice isn't the same as anyone else's.
I was reluctantly pro-life in HS. Sort of a pro-life-but-not-sure-laws-really-accomplish-anything kind of attitude. I now consider myself pro-choice, and I don't see anything changing that. The stories I read from patients of George Tiller after his death really convinced me that there shouldn't be a time limit, either.
I grew up Catholic, attending Catholic school my entire life and everyone I knew was staunchly anti-abortion and that's what was preached in our HS health and religion courses. I even remember in freshman religion class having a discussion about the Church's stance on abortion. As a naive 15 year old, I went along with what the Church believed and considered myself anti-abortion.
After HS I went away to (non-Catholic, non-religious) college, did a lot of thinking about my religious beliefs, among other beliefs, experienced things, grew up, etc. and am now strongly pro-choice and have been for awhile. But no, nothing would ever make me change my mind and turn anti-abortion again.
Ditto this, except change Catholic to Southern Baptist. It was actually college + being active on The Knot with lots of well-informed ladies who have changed my opinion on a lot of things. Abortion and gay marriage are at the top of the list.
I was very pro-life all through college. Raised money for Right to Life and everything. It wasn't until after college that I got into the real world and experienced how incredibly grey the world is, and just because I think something is morally wrong doesn't mean I have the right to dictate other people's morals. I don't think I'd ever be able to get an abortion personally (save incompatible with life/ my life threatened), but who am I to tell people what to think and feel?
I'd always been so ardently pro-life because my mother was faced with life threatening complications during pregnancy. Everyone urged her to abort, but her faith was so strong that she didn't. It wasn't until I was older that I could really think through that it was a choice, and everyone in that situation shouldn't be forced to risk their life without having that choice.
Nothing will change my position on this issue because it isn't about the procedure. It's about the freedom for women to make their own medical decisions without governmental intrusion.
This. I don't want women to die or get hurt and I don't think that should be a political statement. So I'm pro-choice.
I'm firmly in the Safe, Accessible Abortion On Demand, No Apologies camp and have been for pretty much ever. If possible, adopting made me even more pro-choice after seeing the reality of what my children's birth-families have gone through.
Post by lyssbobiss, Command, B613 on Jul 14, 2013 1:15:20 GMT -5
My stance has changed. Growing up, I was very pro-life. Didn't even care about the life of the mother. It was just an idea that I was raised with, and having been adopted by infertile parents, I was spoon-fed the whole "I can't believe someone would be selfish and abort a baby when so many people can't have them...just adopt!" bullshit.
When I got older, and dealt with infertility myself, my opinion did a total 180. Getting pregnant was not easy for me, but being pregnant wasn't either. And I felt like...why should anyone go through this when they didn't intend to? I worked my butt off to get here and I'm miserable.
To this day, the phrase "just adopt" makes me want to vomit.
"This prick is asking for someone here to bring him to task Somebody give me some dirt on this vacuous mass so we can at last unmask him I'll pull the trigger on it, someone load the gun and cock it While we were all watching, he got Washington in his pocket."
I was pretty pro-life before I became pregnant. I believed in abortion for rare cases but frankly I was pretty uninformed. After going through a high risk pregnancy and experiencing the general woes too, I changed my mind. My body, my choice. I could never expect another woman to go through a pregnancy if she didn't want to and therefore, I am proudly pro-choice.
As it stands now, I'm pretty much as pro choice as it gets. I don't really find any of it judge worthy and I don't think there should be any legal restrictions whatsoever. I just don't think you should need anyone's permission to have a medical procedure performed on your own body.
However, veering into the realm of science fiction, maybe if it became possible to transfer a fetus to a robo womb? (remember that thread?? ). I mean, if it could be done and you could be spared a long pregnancy and find the child a caring family to raise him or her, why not? But even then I could see why you might not want biological offspring out there in the world and I think that should be entirely your choice. So while I might side eye that one a tiny bit I still think abortion should be legal (in this entirely fictitious universe, lol).
No, my mind will never change. I will always believe that women should have the right to make decisions about their own bodies. I cannot and will not imagine a world in which I don't have control over myself. There is too much shit that can go wrong with pregnancies, and I want to have the right to say, "I need to terminate this pregnancy - Because I have other children at home. Because I have a husband at home. Because I want to live. Because this baby is sick and will not survive outside of this womb with quality of life."
I want the right to say, "BECAUSE IT IS MY BODY."
Fuck all these pieces of shit that want to take away MY right to MY body. Seriously. I am angry, and I don't see that anger subsiding any time soon. If I lived close enough to Texas, I'd be slinging feminine products and testifying with the best of them. This is some serious bullshit, and I have some serious rage.
As it stands now, I'm pretty much as pro choice as it gets. I don't really find any of it judge worthy and I don't think there should be any legal restrictions whatsoever. I just don't think you should need anyone's permission to have a medical procedure performed on your own body.
However, veering into the realm of science fiction, maybe if it became possible to transfer a fetus to a robo womb? (remember that thread?? ). I mean, if it could be done and you could be spared a long pregnancy and find the child a caring family to raise him or her, why not? But even then I could see why you might not want biological offspring out there in the world and I think that should be entirely your choice. So while I might side eye that one a tiny bit I still think abortion should be legal (in this entirely fictitious universe, lol).
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one whose mind went sci-fi here. I started to think of if there was a circumstance where medical science could produce a perfectly healthy baby while allowing a woman full autonomy over her own body, then maybe...but I can't see that ever being possible so pro-choice I am.
Like many of the posters, there have been different stages of my life where I think I would or would not have chosen abortion for myself (fortunately I've never been in a position where I have actually had to choose) but I firmly believe that nobody else should have a right to make the decision for me, and likewise for any other woman.
I'm about as pro-choice as possible. I can't see anything changing that ever.
I side eye men that I've known who were pro-choice until their wives got pregnant and then suddenly became anti-choice, saying, "oh, you will change your mind when you become pregnant."
No because the thought of women getting illegal abortions scares me
Yup. My stance wont change because making abortions illegal will not stop abortions from happening. As far as I'm concerned, anyone that wants to make abortions illegal can't truly be "pro-life", they are just anti-women and pro-Gosnell-like healthcare.
No. Especially not after what I have been through. I am getting ragey at all of the 20 week abortion debates because noone in the media seems to bring up the fact that most are done due to medical issues with the baby, having a condition that is incompatible with life, etc. Mika had a segment on it this morning on Joe and they completely ignored that important point.
Post by wrathofkuus on Jul 15, 2013 11:31:31 GMT -5
If a technology that allowed for a fetus to be taken from a woman's uterus and grown to completion elsewhere were invented, then I might consider it. As thing stand, no way.
Post by pillowpants on Jul 15, 2013 11:50:21 GMT -5
I have and always will be pro-choice. Being diagnosed with a baby that had Potter's sequence and was slowly dying inside of me solidified my position even more. Something that would not have been caught until after 16 weeks and by ultrasound. I found out at 20 weeks and was encouraged to terminate not just because my child was dying, but because I was severely malnourished and dehydrated from Hyperemesis. Potter's has an 100% fatality rate. Anyone who tells me that I should have waited it out, dealt with both the physical and emotional pain to the end, can go to hell.
A woman down the street from me gets knocked up and wants to abort....what business is it of mine? It's her body, it's her decision. It has nothing to do with my daily life. I could never change that view.