pinterest - this pin is weird

[speckledfrog]

and I don't like it.



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[W.T.Faulkner]

Oh, that's weird.

[Deleted]

I find it odd that that's the ONE rule to remember.

[sonrisa]

Aug 17, 2013 21:48:16 GMT -5 loonylunalovegood said:

It's better than a million rules a LO can't follow. Just one important one to enforce.

This still means a million rules to follow. That is what they are obeying. Every little thing their parents ever request.

[mrsukyankee]

I hate it. Because how often do you do everything quickly, cheerfully, etc? I guess they want robot children instead of human beings.

[snickers]

I don't like the words "obey" or "obedience" when it comes to children

[speckledfrog]

The "true obedience" thing bothers me the most. Sure, we'd all like our kids to do what we ask them, when we ask them, and how we ask them but 100% true obedience all the time? I don't want to raise little hellions, but I do want to raise self-sufficient, well functioning adults and I don't think that requiring complete and utter obedience at all times (and then shaming them with God) is the way to do it.

[kaybee85]

A. I feel like the rule is kind of abstract. I would think little kids do better with a few specifics to remember (even something like mom/dad only ask once, so you can clearly say, "Now I'm asking you again, so [insert consequence here].")
B. I'm not Christian, so I wouldn't use this, anyway.

[FastHands]

I don't go in for the "why," even though I am Christian. God may want you to be obedient, but there are much more immediate reasons and consequences right here on earth. Lol

I think the principle of this will absolutely be taught in my home. If doing what they're told makes my kid a robot, then I want a robot.

[wambam]

This is very common with the Gothard/quiverfull/patriarchy crowd.

I agree, it gives me the squickies too.

[joshlyman]

This is something out of To Train Upp a Child I believe - aka the official child abuse manual.

[wannabe]

It doesn't bug me that much, but it did get an eye roll from me.

[wambam]

Aug 18, 2013 10:15:53 GMT -5 joshlyman said:

This is something out of To Train Upp a Child I believe - aka the official child abuse manual.

Exactly

[poisonkisses]

The 'TRUE OBEDIENCE' comes across as creepy to me.

[Deleted]

Doesn't bother me.

[idoinjuly]

Aug 18, 2013 9:32:57 GMT -5 speckledfrog said:

The "true obedience" thing bothers me the most. Sure, we'd all like our kids to do what we ask them, when we ask them, and how we ask them but 100% true obedience all the time? I don't want to raise little hellions, but I do want to raise self-sufficient, well functioning adults and I don't think that requiring complete and utter obedience at all times (and then shaming them with God) is the way to do it.

I agree with you speckledfrog.  While I want our kids to be behaved and respectful, I also want them to be heard.  Even at 4 and 2.  Not argue with everything or anything, but if they think something is unjust, I want them to speak out.  Even if it means disagreeing with me.

[joshlyman]

Aug 18, 2013 11:16:54 GMT -5 jenny1980 said:

Soooo not my particular parenting style but as long as there's not a "or we'll beat ya!" sentence I'm missing, I can't get too worked up about it.

Trust - it's implied.

[pixelpassion]

I can't imagine expecting a child to do this sort of expected obedience when they're like 3 or 4 years old. I think it sets up unrealistic expectations and I doubt any sort of lackluster obedience a child is capable of giving won't be "good enough" by these rules.

[Deleted]

Eh, it doesn't bother me much. My kids can have opinions but they still need to obey me. Not necessarily cheerfully, but respectfully.

[joshlyman]

I think my opinion of this is colored by my fundie knowledge. But I would not want robot children - and robot children are not healthy children. I absolutely believe kids need to listen, and they need to do things even if they do t want to, but they also need to be allowed to have feelings and emotions and to be heard.

[snipsnsnails]

Doesn't bother me. We have a similar principle in our home.

[idoinjuly]

Aug 18, 2013 13:03:10 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

Lmao. I think some of you are reading waaaaay too much into this.

How so?

[speckledfrog]

Aug 18, 2013 13:03:10 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

Lmao. I think some of you are reading waaaaay too much into this.

Well, they do have nine kids.

[pugz]

this is a Duggar thing

[wambam]

So *this* is why some people were finding this disturbing. It's eerily reminiscent of the "child training" discussed here:

www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2013/08/ttuac-obedience-training-and-disturbing-analogies.html

[snipsnsnails]

From that link...

"I would much rather raise a child who is compassionate, creative, and cooperative than a child who is simply obedient."

I think you can do both.

[Deleted]

I don't think anyone is reading too much into it. I guarantee it comes from a Quiverfull type family and that is why I find it creepy. And really, that is the only rule?