Post by mrssandro on Sept 23, 2013 11:59:09 GMT -5
I know some priests are sensitive about this. They will often tell you before the ceremony starts if they have a problem with you taking pictures. I always ask as well since I know some are more touchy than others.
I think this largely also depends on the religion.
I photographed a Lutheran wedding last year and my second shooter and I were explicitly told by the church lady that we were NOT to move around (I sat in a pew, second shooter in the balcony) or use flash.
The bride overheard this and pulled me and my friend aside and told us to somewhat respect the rule but if I had to get out of the pew to get an important shot to do it and she'd deal with the consequences.
Well, I stepped out to get their first kiss and them coming down the aisle (and by stepped out, one foot in the aisle). And the church lady gave me a very loud lecture after about how I was disrespectful to god and all that jazz.
I had to bite my tongue to stop myself from telling her I was atheist. lol
I will state this with the situation I posted about above - NO ONE knew the rules until we showed up before the ceremony. Myself, my second shooter, the bride and the videographer were completely blindsided.
A lot of photogs are thinking this was a setup to prove a point.
If it's real - It's always the job of the photographer to clear the rules with the priest beforehand. That was unprofessional on their behalf. However, the priest was also unprofessional.
How was the minister unprofessional? He requested, even using proper manners, that they move.
Post by pantsparty on Sept 23, 2013 12:17:31 GMT -5
I photograph weddings, and I always ask the bride to get me the restrictions in advance. Last weekend I couldn't shoot the processional, which broke my heart for the bride, but it's not my house, and I'm not going to make it difficult for the next photographer.
I haven't watched the video. But during our ceremony, our priest yelled at my cousin (who was playing photographer for my dad, we also had a real photographer) "HEY YOU! GET OUT OF THERE! You wanna become a priest or something?" and then turned around and continued the ceremony as if he was never interrupted. We all had a good chuckle and my cousin blushed and moved immediately. It was nbd at all.
I photograph weddings, and I always ask the bride to get me the restrictions in advance. Last weekend I couldn't shoot the processional, which broke my heart for the bride, but it's not my house, and I'm not going to make it difficult for the next photographer.
This is what I do. I ask that the bride get me a list of restrictions prior to booking. I have a clause stating that I am not responsible for missed shots based on unknown restrictions placed by the venue. I have never had a problem getting a copy of the restrictions by the church well beforehand and making sure we are all on the same page. The have these rules because of previous photographers who were disrespectful. It kills me that some of the restrictions are so severe but you have to follow the rules. A few times we have gotten lucky and the pastor/church lady has allowed us into the sanctuary so long as we stayed in the back row and were not running up and down the aisles or bringing attention to ourselves.
is it fair of me to be all like "whatever, priest, you're marrying them outside under a banner of fabric, how serious can you possibly be?" while simultaneously thinking that if the photographer and videographer were that close to the back of his head, they were probably being annoying?
i hate when the photographers get all up in the aisle and block the view of the INVITED GUESTS. but i also like photographs of wedding ceremonies.
I asked my sister about this, as she is a professional wedding photographer. She said that while the priest was obviously making too big a deal out of it, the photographers were completely out of line (and way too close). She told me that she usually speaks to the officiant before the ceremony about specific rules they may have and ALWAYS makes sure to do it if the ceremony is indoors and/or Catholic.
I haven't seen it happen during a ceremony, but when I went to one wedding, the photographer put a freaking step ladder IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HORA CIRCLE on the dance floor to get above shots. There were like 300 people dancing around in multiple circles, and he's teetering on this step ladder in the middle of everyone. I think like 5 people tripped on him.
That priest was pretty rude. We shoot wedding videos and the thing is, the couple hires us to capture their wedding for them. Imagine how pissed that couple was that they paid thousands of dollars for their wedding video and the priest stopped it. The couple obviously should have cleared it with the priest first, but seriously, they are doing the ceremony outside! I get the rules in the church, obviously we always abide by them. But he overreacted for an outdoor ceremony. And he should have said something before they started rather than making a scene during the ceremony.
I feel bad for the bride and groom and the photographers/videographers who are just trying to do their job.
Ok, so there's a photographer behind him clicking a frame a second, and a videographer. There's a huge tripod at the end, and a dude with a camera and sound hear off to the side. It's ridiculous. Anyone taking pics from the audience will have photographers in their shot, never mind that's all you see as they get married. The couple obviously cares more about preserving it than the ceremony itself, I too would be pissed if I was officiating. They should have just gotten the photographer to marry them ffs.
And this was the number one reason why I absolutely refused a videographer at my wedding, even though my mom was begging me and promising to pay herself. I have seen too many weddings where it feels like you are on a movie set or something.
That priest was pretty rude. We shoot wedding videos and the thing is, the couple hires us to capture their wedding for them. Imagine how pissed that couple was that they paid thousands of dollars for their wedding video and the priest stopped it. The couple obviously should have cleared it with the priest first, but seriously, they are doing the ceremony outside! I get the rules in the church, obviously we always abide by them. But he overreacted for an outdoor ceremony. And he should have said something before they started rather than making a scene during the ceremony.
I feel bad for the bride and groom and the photographers/videographers who are just trying to do their job.
An outside ceremony doesn't lessen the importance of the sacrament of marriage.
I think making the bride & groom uncomfortable (which appeared to be obvious) made it clear that he was not acting in their best interest. If he hadn't made the rules clear beforehand (and maybe he did) then I think stopping the ceremony was terribly uncomfortable and unprofessional.
He's a priest. It's not his job to act "in their best interest" - if that's the kind of wedding they wanted, they should have gone to city hall. He stood up for what was important for him. Team priest.
I think making the bride & groom uncomfortable (which appeared to be obvious) made it clear that he was not acting in their best interest. If he hadn't made the rules clear beforehand (and maybe he did) then I think stopping the ceremony was terribly uncomfortable and unprofessional.
He's a priest. It's not his job to act "in their best interest" - if that's the kind of wedding they wanted, they should have gone to city hall. He stood up for what was important for him. Team priest.
Ditto this. It's a sacrament, not a customer service.
I thought the Catholic church frowned on outdoor ceremonies and Priest did not perform them. If it is fake the bride and groom are great actors, they both looked stunned.
He's a priest. It's not his job to act "in their best interest" - if that's the kind of wedding they wanted, they should have gone to city hall. He stood up for what was important for him. Team priest.
And, ostensibly, he stood up for what was important for them, since they hired him.
No, you don't "hire" a priest. You seek the ministry and sacraments of the church, and they are typically provided. But the priest is working for the church, offering a service for the faithful.
People can obtain those services under dishonest or false pretenses, but they are offered for the sake of the church and the priest's ministry in the world. He's not hired by or working for the couple. And, there are plenty of people who want a classic wedding, complete with the guy in a white collar up at the front, whether they believe or not. I'm sure it must be frustrating for a priest to try to do weddings with people who really think he's there to support their special day, without regard for the church he serves or his faith.
I went to a wedding a few years ago and there were camera men in those lifts like on a movie set. They sat in a mechanical chair thing that extended over the tables and dance floor. It was a bit awkward to dance with a guy taping you from above. The wedding also included:
- a performance by about 30 elementary school aged girls
-a 25 minute long video (professional) on a huge movie screen size projector that shared the story of how the bride and groom came to be bride and groom