Posthumous baptisms are not counted as "members" for counts when you hear "x million members and growing" ftr. Mormons do not count posthumous baptisms as members yet because they have no knowledge of whether or not that person has accepted the gospel or not. So they don't do it just to boost membership numbers.
Personally, for me, I wouldn't care if future generations got baptized for me, and I actively campaigned for myself to be removed from church records. I've been down that road, I was baptized, and I essential asked to have that all undone. I would not see it as someone spitting on my beliefs to go and rebaptize me...if they know anything about how posthumous baptisms work, they would know, if this shit were all true, which it ain't, that I would need to do my part to want it on the other side anyways. At that point, it's a meaningless ceremony...maybe they should burn a paper house while they're at it, I might need that too.
Exactly. My decisions about who I am ARE more important. I have lost family members and have grieved greatly for them. Part of the process, though, was respecting their wishes. Whether it's a living will or not wanting any kid of funeral or, as an Atheist, having a funeral in their preferred church, it's a matter of respect. My right to grieve does not take precedence over their life. Death is nothingness when you don't believe in heaven, so it is the life you live and the decisions you make during that time that are the most important. That should be respected by your loved ones.
The dead are more important than the living IYO. Good to know.
To me it's just the opposite. And while I can understand your POV, I just flat out don't agree with it. Especially because you say you are a nonbeliever.
people are just as important whether they are living or dead. why are the feelings of a living person more important than any other person?
the thing that bothers me about this is how the mormons love to tout their numbers and this very obviously gives them weight where they should not have it. if someone never willingly has the option of leaving your church then they should never be counted among your numbers.
The dead are more important than the living IYO. Good to know.
To me it's just the opposite. And while I can understand your POV, I just flat out don't agree with it. Especially because you say you are a nonbeliever.
people are just as important whether they are living or dead. why are the feelings of a living person more important than any other person?
I don't have a problem w/ other people being cool w/ being posthumously baptized. I do though and I think I've already given my reasons. It's not really up for debate in my book.
And I don't know what the Mormons do w/ their departed baptisms. But I do know those names are recorded in their records.
The dead are more important than the living IYO. Good to know.
To me it's just the opposite. And while I can understand your POV, I just flat out don't agree with it. Especially because you say you are a nonbeliever.
people are just as important whether they are living or dead. why are the feelings of a living person more important than any other person?
the thing that bothers me about this is how the mormons love to tout their numbers and this very obviously gives them weight where they should not have it. if someone never willingly has the option of leaving your church then they should never be counted among your numbers.
Who gives a flying fuck what the Mormons "numbers" are? How is this relevant at all?
The dead are more important than the living IYO. Good to know.
To me it's just the opposite. And while I can understand your POV, I just flat out don't agree with it. Especially because you say you are a nonbeliever.
Really? I agree we clearly don't see eye to eye but because I don't believe in God, I have to not give a shit about someone's earthly reputation and dismiss their life choices after they die? If I don't, my beliefs are somehow suspect? That's total monkey balls.
Im with heightsyankee on this 100%. It would be completely disrespectful of me to go against my religious friends' or family members' beliefs and/or wishes after death because I think I know better what it right for them. I would never think to do something like that. It's not okay just because someone is an atheist and since they have an absence of belief who cares if we throw something on top of that gaping hole in their soul. If they'd wanted to be saved, they would have saved themselves.
The dead are more important than the living IYO. Good to know.
To me it's just the opposite. And while I can understand your POV, I just flat out don't agree with it. Especially because you say you are a nonbeliever.
Really? I agree we clearly don't see eye to eye but because I don't believe in God, I have to not give a shit about someone's earthly reputation and dismiss their life choices after they die? If I don't, my beliefs are somehow suspect? That's total monkey balls.
Really? I agree we clearly don't see eye to eye but because I don't believe in God, I have to not give a shit about someone's earthly reputation and dismiss their life choices after they die? If I don't, my beliefs are somehow suspect? That's total monkey balls.
Lol yes. That's exactly what I said.
Just like I said the dead are more important than the living.