Yeahno. This woman said she didn't have any other options. People are looking for logical (and pretty obvious) explanations for why that might be the case. That's not projecting. That's critical reading.
Well, since we are critically reading and not projecting, I would like to bring this full-CEP-circle and raise the point that I think breast pumps are now covered by most insurance policies, and Medicaid in many states, so that could eliminate the cost of pump issue right off the bat. Thanks, Obama!
She didn't even have to reply to the summons. Until they start sending jury summons in person or by certified mail, then it never arrived at your house.
You realize you just made most of the board do a gasp of horror, right?
Not snarky, but what was she supposed to have done instead? As I read it, she asked for an exemption and was denied, and that was the end of her options, besides bringing the baby with her.
Did I miss something? Was there more info given elsewhere?
If there was a procedure she was supposed to have followed that would have let her defer 6 months or something and she chose to just show up instead with baby in tow, then I'd agree with you. But it sounded to me like she was given basically no options.
She was told to bring someone with her to care for the baby so she could still BF.
Unless this other person is also lactating, I don't know what good they are supposed to do? Not being snarky, just talking 'out loud'. Unless they're going to let this person bring the baby into the jury room to be with the mom as-needed, the only benefit to another person is that they are an alternative to the court daycare.
She didn't even have to reply to the summons. Until they start sending jury summons in person or by certified mail, then it never arrived at your house.
You realize you just made most of the board do a gasp of horror, right?
Wait, that's not true? Next you will tell me that stops signs with a white border aren't optional.
She didn't even have to reply to the summons. Until they start sending jury summons in person or by certified mail, then it never arrived at your house.
Yeahno. This woman said she didn't have any other options. People are looking for logical (and pretty obvious) explanations for why that might be the case. That's not projecting. That's critical reading.
Well, since we are critically reading and not projecting, I would like to bring this full-CEP-circle and raise the point that I think breast pumps are now covered by most insurance policies, and Medicaid in many states, so that could eliminate the cost of pump issue right off the bat. Thanks, Obama!
Which you have a limited time period to claim. And hopefully it doesn't take you three months to find a DME supplier to get it from. And they aren't all on backorder.
Post by penguingrrl on Oct 21, 2013 12:46:43 GMT -5
So what I'm getting from this thread is that you don't need to worry about putting your kids in some dirty disgusting daycare because the jury summons never arrived and therefore you don't need to show up?
The article is pretty factual. I'm kind of laughing at the lack of emotion in that little piece of journalism. It's not too often you see that kind of writing anymore. LOL! So, some of us are saying, "Well, she said she had no child care options. Why might that be? Oh, well, here are some reasons that child care options are complicated for EBF women." You on the other hand, have resorted to assigning a defect to her personal character, calling her a liar, and then coloring her with the broad sanctimommy brush. So, I think you're confusing "critical reading" with "being critical of what you're reading."
How did the news learn about this? Why did the judge hold her in contempt when several accommodations have previously been made for breastfeeding mothers?
Something ain't right, and I'm not really finding fault with what the judge did since what he did do was letter of the law enforcement.
She was told to bring someone with her to care for the baby so she could still BF.
Unless this other person is also lactating, I don't know what good they are supposed to do? Not being snarky, just talking 'out loud'. Unless they're going to let this person bring the baby into the jury room to be with the mom as-needed, the only benefit to another person is that they are an alternative to the court daycare.
I took it to mean that the baby could be there, to be BF as needed on the various breaks or while the mom waited to see whether she was called. She's not on a jury yet, she was there for jury selection, right? I assumed this meant, the caretaker would have the baby the most of the time, but the mom could have breaks/BF the baby as needed.
My experience with jury selection is that the jury pool is there in the courtroom, and they seat x number of people at a time for voir dire and add from the pool until they have a jury plus alternates. The schedule was similar to the one posted above - starting around 9/10am, break for lunch around 11:30/12, reconvene at 1:30, afternoon break and then dismiss around 4/4:30. Usually though, jury selection was over long before the 4/4:30 dismissal.
At 5 months, my DD was at a great age to tote around. I would love to see the solution be letting the mother do her duty with her baby and embrace nursing in public.
Yeahno. This woman said she didn't have any other options. People are looking for logical (and pretty obvious) explanations for why that might be the case. That's not projecting. That's critical reading.
Well, since we are critically reading and not projecting, I would like to bring this full-CEP-circle and raise the point that I think breast pumps are now covered by most insurance policies, and Medicaid in many states, so that could eliminate the cost of pump issue right off the bat. Thanks, Obama!
There REALLY needs to be a youtube clip of a white soccer mom talking about how she is going to get a free Obamapump.
Honestly, the problem here is that all of you lived in counties with fucked up systems.
Alameda County's system is genius. While you get called more often (I get a summons every year, a year to the date of my last service), you can postpone for a year, and choose your new date for whenever you want. And it's one day or one trial. And you don't even have to go to a holding pen. Rather, the night before, you call a number (or look online) and they tell you if you have to come in for 9. If not, they tell you to check back at 11. Then you check at 11, and if they don't need you, they tell you your service is complete. Otherwise, you go in, and if you do, you are guaranteed to make it into a courtroom for voir dire. Child care is provided. If you aren't chosen to serve, your service is complete.
It's a brilliant system, everyone's hardships are taken into account by the fact that you've got a year to postpone and none of this sitting around uncertain for days on end. We know how to do it right here.
You know, this is the third thing I've seen in the last week that CA is doing better than other places.
She didn't even have to reply to the summons. Until they start sending jury summons in person or by certified mail, then it never arrived at your house.
Um, what? You realize they don't just let it go if you don't respond, right?
Yeahno. This woman said she didn't have any other options. People are looking for logical (and pretty obvious) explanations for why that might be the case. That's not projecting. That's critical reading.
Well, since we are critically reading and not projecting, I would like to bring this full-CEP-circle and raise the point that I think breast pumps are now covered by most insurance policies, and Medicaid in many states, so that could eliminate the cost of pump issue right off the bat. Thanks, Obama!
sure my insurance covers a pump, a manual one. I only know this because it came up in convo with DH's coworker when she mentioned buying a pump and I asked about the new mandate. Do you have any idea how long it would have taken me to fully pump with a manual pump? an hour minimum and that would leave me with major hand cramps.
She didn't even have to reply to the summons. Until they start sending jury summons in person or by certified mail, then it never arrived at your house.
Post by sweetpea508 on Oct 21, 2013 13:02:50 GMT -5
Look, I wasn't trying to start a mommy war. I do not judge people whatsoever that have children in daycare. I worked in a school that also had an after school program. I know all of the protocols we had to follow for health reasons. But even with all the cleaning and washing of hands there was still sickness in the classroom. It was just my opinion that I shouldn't have to pay for daycare and pump to go to jury duty.
Look, I wasn't trying to start a mommy war. I do not judge people whatsoever that have children in daycare. I worked in a school that also had an after school program. I know all of the protocols we had to follow for health reasons. But even with all the cleaning and washing of hands there was still sickness in the classroom. It was just my opinion that I shouldn't have to pay for daycare and pump to go to jury duty.
Good luck in school when your child reaches that age. The monthly plague will be your common visitor.
She didn't even have to reply to the summons. Until they start sending jury summons in person or by certified mail, then it never arrived at your house.
Um, what? You realize they don't just let it go if you don't respond, right?
I can't imagine any county that would waste the funds to seek out a non-responder. Ain't nobody got the budget for that! And if they did, lack of notice could be defense.
Our office, as well as the city attorney, routinely gets told by the bench that we need to prove service if someone fails to appear at an out-of-custody arraignment. Same with criminal subpoenas.
I've only been summoned in places I don't live. Florida called me up about 6 months ago. I haven't been a resident there in 13 or 14 years, but I have been a resident of 4 other states since then. Stupid Florida.
Look, I wasn't trying to start a mommy war. I do not judge people whatsoever that have children in daycare. I worked in a school that also had an after school program. I know all of the protocols we had to follow for health reasons. But even with all the cleaning and washing of hands there was still sickness in the classroom. It was just my opinion that I shouldn't have to pay for daycare and pump to go to jury duty.
And my kitchen table. And BabyLiu's chair. And her step stool. And me after about an hour in my darling girl's presence. It seems yogurt, syrup and jelly become part of furniture if applied with great enough frequency. I'm still reasonably sure that with four other kids, the daycare is cleaner. I know she's not saying "fuck it" at the end of the day like I do.
Well, since we are critically reading and not projecting, I would like to bring this full-CEP-circle and raise the point that I think breast pumps are now covered by most insurance policies, and Medicaid in many states, so that could eliminate the cost of pump issue right off the bat. Thanks, Obama!
sure my insurance covers a pump, a manual one. I only know this because it came up in convo with DH's coworker when she mentioned buying a pump and I asked about the new mandate. Do you have any idea how long it would have taken me to fully pump with a manual pump? an hour minimum and that would leave me with major hand cramps.
Not hand cramps! The horror!
Look, my post about the pump being covered was mostly TIC, to give the point that there is an answer to every reason someone can't go to jury duty, the same as everyone has a reason they can't go. Which is why it is difficult, if not impossible, to give blanket dismissals or deferrals. Everyone is a special snowflake when it comes to jury duty. Because no one is willing to put themselves out even a little when it comes down to it. Hell, someone in this thread is advocating just ignoring the summons!
Look, I wasn't trying to start a mommy war. I do not judge people whatsoever that have children in daycare. I worked in a school that also had an after school program. I know all of the protocols we had to follow for health reasons. But even with all the cleaning and washing of hands there was still sickness in the classroom. It was just my opinion that I shouldn't have to pay for daycare and pump to go to jury duty.
And my kitchen table. And BabyLiu's chair. And her step stool. And me after about an hour in my darling girl's presence. It seems yogurt, syrup and jelly become part of furniture if applied with great enough frequency. I'm still reasonably sure that with four other kids, the daycare is cleaner. I know she's not saying "fuck it" at the end of the day like I do.
My son once projectile pooped when I took his diaper off. It was on the walls, his crib, the carpet, and me. Unlike a day care, I didn't bleach down anything. I just did a little WTMF dance around the room and then wiped stuff up and did laundry. Kids are gross as fuck no matter where they are.
Look, I wasn't trying to start a mommy war. I do not judge people whatsoever that have children in daycare. I worked in a school that also had an after school program. I know all of the protocols we had to follow for health reasons. But even with all the cleaning and washing of hands there was still sickness in the classroom. It was just my opinion that I shouldn't have to pay for daycare and pump to go to jury duty.
In your opinion, who should have to bear the costs and go to jury duty? Because again, if everyone with their special snowflake situations is automatically excused, we are going to end up with jury pools strictly of rich old retirees and that's not really good for anyone.