Can we talk Urban Decay and MAC?

[pixy0stix]

There's been some recent controversy around the brands that were previously cruelty free switching their language around.

See:

www.logicalharmony.net/mac-cosmetics-is-no-longer-cruelty-free/#axzz1yv0bFnK4

and

blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2012/06/urban_decay_test_on_animals.php

My understanding, is that the parent companies themselves are not doing the testing, but cannot control what happens (such as the case of China) if a government decides to test the products themselves.

Which, if the company itself is not testing products on animals, I don't feel the need to boycott them. Should they not sell to countries who do product testing on animals? Is it a case of "they should have control of where their product ultimately goes"?

[meshaliuknits]

Animal testing of cosmetics makes me twitchy. There's no good reason for it.

[pixy0stix]

Jun 26, 2012 12:03:44 GMT -5 meshaliuknits said:

Animal testing of cosmetics makes me twitchy. There's no good reason for it.

I agree with this, and why I buy cruelty free. However, I'm not understanding why people are dropping UD and MAC if they, themselves, are not doing the testing.

[copzgirl1171]

Jun 26, 2012 12:06:01 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jun 26, 2012 12:03:44 GMT -5 meshaliuknits said:

Animal testing of cosmetics makes me twitchy. There's no good reason for it.

I agree with this, and why I buy cruelty free. However, I'm not understanding why people are dropping UD and MAC if they, themselves, are not doing the testing.

The are backhandedly supporting it by marketing their product in areas where they know there will be animal testing

[pixy0stix]

Jun 26, 2012 12:08:39 GMT -5 @copzgirl1171 said:

The are backhandedly supporting it by marketing their product in areas where they know there will be animal testing

But aren't we creating a double standard by buying items made in China that might have been tested on animals?

It's not even a guarantee that the items will be tested on animals, and from what I'm reading, China is moving away from cosmetic animal testing (per PETA).

[copzgirl1171]

Jun 26, 2012 12:10:59 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jun 26, 2012 12:08:39 GMT -5 @copzgirl1171 said:

The are backhandedly supporting it by marketing their product in areas where they know there will be animal testing

But aren't we creating a double standard by buying items made in China that might have been tested on animals?

It's not even a guarantee that the items will be tested on animals, and from what I'm reading, China is moving away from cosmetic animal testing (per PETA).

Sure we are, but if I can control one thing that I know is being animal tested why would I look the other way?

[eclaires]

I kind of see both sides of this. On the one hand, they are kind of allowing animal testing by pursuing the market. On the other hand, perhaps by making their products available, it will help move the market away from testing on animals by proving they are just as good as products tested on animals?

[pixy0stix]

Jun 26, 2012 12:13:16 GMT -5 @copzgirl1171 said:

Sure we are, but if I can control one thing that I know is being animal tested why would I look the other way?

But it's not being tested before it gets to you. It may be tested, in China, before it's distributed, in China.

You know I'm a big animal welfare activist, but I'm just not seeing the connection here. There are a lot of "mights" and "maybes" and no real hard core evidence that this is happening.

[emmybean]

And here I thought this was going to be about actual urban decay. ::sigh::

Good way to stop this from happening? Stop wearing makeup. Problem solved.

:::turns on heel, runs--as to not let door hit her ass on the way out::

[copzgirl1171]

Jun 26, 2012 12:17:07 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jun 26, 2012 12:13:16 GMT -5 @copzgirl1171 said:

Sure we are, but if I can control one thing that I know is being animal tested why would I look the other way?

But it's not being tested before it gets to you. It may be tested, in China, before it's distributed, in China.

You know I'm a big animal welfare activist, but I'm just not seeing the connection here. There are a lot of "mights" and "maybes" and no real hard core evidence that this is happening.

I guess for me it is knowing that they are willing to look the other way for the all mighty buck, AND that they have been perfectly happy to misrepresent exactly how cruelty free they are when in fact they had to have known their product is tested albeit in China