so what does the new healthcare mean for you?

[bab]

Jun 28, 2012 18:02:14 GMT -5 fields said:

Jun 28, 2012 17:58:06 GMT -5 tulip said:

You should. My cousin is a bio chemist in Sweden. She can't afford a car, she lives in a one bedroom apt. She has about 60% of her check taken out to her government. We are on our way to join her.

I'm not saying we have a perfect system, but I don't want this healthcare reform.

We are going to see employers stop offering healthcare as an employee benefit, premiums are going to go sky high & good bye to the middle class.

Please, for the fucking love of god, go educate yourself on this bill before commenting any further.

I'll help you with the cliff notes version:

1. YOU STILL HAVE TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE.
2. There are a lot of people who can't afford to buy a car in the US b/c of taxes and STILL DON'T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE...because they also can't afford it. Your cousin is already winning in this scenerio. Sweden's social services are off the hook awesome.

Now go read. All of it.

LOL
She didn't understand what I meant when I said "I can't."

LMAO at "you should!" LOLOLOLOLOLOLLLLLLLLLLLL

[Deleted]

I live in California. I lived 4 years in England, under socialized medicine (where I paid the same amount of taxes I do now in California.) My husband is a UK citizen though, so I can get him to weigh in on your crazy talk if you want a more un-biased view.

He also has a pre-exisiting medical condition that would disqualify him from receiving health care if he were to need to self-insure. He also is in a contract position now, which puts all the lovely pressure on me to keep my job and therefore my health benefits. Although he can fly back to England for free healthcare if it came down to it.

Also, I'm non-partisan. And I don't think my Dad is right 83.4% of the time.

[Deleted]

"I don't like to see people work & not keep the money they earned."

Do you work?

[tulip]

Jun 28, 2012 18:36:02 GMT -5 fields said:

I live in California. I lived 4 years in England, under socialized medicine (where I paid the same amount of taxes I do now in California.) My husband is a UK citizen though, so I can get him to weigh in on your crazy talk if you want a more un-biased view.

He also has a pre-exisiting medical condition that would disqualify him from receiving health care if he were to need to self-insure. He also is in a contract position now, which puts all the lovely pressure on me to keep my job and therefore my health benefits. Although he can fly back to England for free healthcare if it came down to it.

Also, I'm non-partisan. And I don't think my Dad is right 83.4% of the time.

How the fuck did my Dad come into this? My Dad doesn't even vote!! WTF?

You live in California in your state the cost of living is 70% higher than mine due to all the taxes you pay to the state.

I love how supportive all you ladies are but I'll never give a political opinion again.

Good Grief.

[liveintheville]

Jun 28, 2012 18:28:11 GMT -5 tulip said:

I have a question for you

Do you live in California? New York?

How come Massachusetts never gets the conservative internet ire? We had gay marriage and romneycare first dammit!

[tulip]

Jun 28, 2012 18:39:02 GMT -5 fields said:

"I don't like to see people work & not keep the money they earned."

Do you work?

I've worked since I was 16. I was a retail manager & left after I had DD to become a SAHM. I didn't even take my maternity leave pay.

So no in some eyes I don't "work" anymore.

[Deleted]

Have you read the law yet? At least to the part where you understand the basics of what is it providing for?

[underwaterrhymes]

This is not a political issue, though. Or, at least, it shouldn't be.

It pisses me off that something that EVERYONE should want - quality healthcare for everybody - has become such a divisive issue between parties.

Justice Roberts has it right. This bill is not about who you vote for or which party you support.

[tulip]

Jun 28, 2012 18:43:15 GMT -5 liveintheville said:

Jun 28, 2012 18:28:11 GMT -5 tulip said:

I have a question for you

Do you live in California? New York?

How come Massachusetts never gets the conservative internet ire? We had gay marriage and romneycare first dammit!

No idea. It's not failing like California. Not a good example!!

[greylady]

Jun 28, 2012 18:28:11 GMT -5 tulip said:

Jun 28, 2012 18:20:03 GMT -5 fields said:

Serious question. Are you drunk? Also, do you have gay friends?

WAIT, I have more:

1. Do you pay taxes? Or do you refuse, because it's how the gov't makes you pay for stuff. Like the roads you drive on and shit.

2. Have you ever not had health insurance? Or had to declare bankrupcy due to medical bills b/c you couldn't affore health insurance.

3. What is this slippery slope you are speaking of?

1 yes I pay taxes. This is a bizarre question.

2 I have had to pay small business health insurance at one time for 4 years. For myself I payed around 350.00 a check working in retail. Because I had to have insurance.

3 the government is telling us we have to this. This is a slippery slop in do you think it will end here? Do you think with this they will stop?

I have a question for you

Do you live in California? New York?

Slippery slope to what end exactly? Kindly state and prove each premise on the continuum from the SCOTUS upholding the law to ZOMG teh Socialisms!!! (or whatever your worst case scenario is). If you cannot do so I suggest you google "logical fallacy" and perhaps "rhetoric."

[cheesierthanchedda]

Jun 28, 2012 18:40:22 GMT -5 tulip said:

You live in California in your state the cost of living is 70% higher than mine due to all the taxes you pay to the state.

Wait, so my crapshack house is worth nearly half a million dollars because of TAXES, not because I live in Silicon Valley? Please explain. I'm all ears.

[tulip]

Okay, white flag waving. I'm not going to change your minds & you won't change mine. It's been passed, we will all hope for the best.

It will go into effect & hopefully it will be wonderful for everyone.

[tulip]

Jun 28, 2012 18:48:25 GMT -5 cheesierthanchedda said:

Jun 28, 2012 18:40:22 GMT -5 tulip said:

You live in California in your state the cost of living is 70% higher than mine due to all the taxes you pay to the state.

Wait, so my crapshack house is worth nearly half a million dollars because of TAXES, not because I live in Silicon Valley? Please explain. I'm all ears.

I have no idea what is with the Real Estate out in your area.

We almost got relocated to California & the State Tax was 1200.00 a month out of Hs check. That is more than our house payment here. I was freaking out.

[Deleted]

Jun 28, 2012 18:55:56 GMT -5 tulip said:

Jun 28, 2012 18:48:25 GMT -5 cheesierthanchedda said:

Wait, so my crapshack house is worth nearly half a million dollars because of TAXES, not because I live in Silicon Valley? Please explain. I'm all ears.

I have no idea what is with the Real Estate out in your area.

We almost got relocated to California & the State Tax was 1200.00 a month out of Hs check. That is more than our house payment here. I was freaking out.

Oh, honey.

Hang out around here for a good year. We'll grow you right on up!

[tulip]

Jun 28, 2012 18:57:33 GMT -5 fields said:

Jun 28, 2012 18:55:56 GMT -5 tulip said:

I have no idea what is with the Real Estate out in your area.

We almost got relocated to California & the State Tax was 1200.00 a month out of Hs check. That is more than our house payment here. I was freaking out.

Oh, honey.

Hang out around here for a good year. We'll grow you right on up!

It seems I need it.

[Deleted]

The fact you didn't throw out a "You don't know my LYFE" or "GBCN GBCN!" means you have a lot of potential.

Also, you just survived your first flamming!

[tulip]

Jun 28, 2012 19:05:11 GMT -5 fields said:

The fact you didn't throw out a "You don't know my LYFE" or "GBCN GBCN!" means you have a lot of potential.

Also, you just survived your first flamming!

Lol

Thanks. I own my crap right or wrong!!

Sorry to upset so many. I am from Texas, my Dad still has nothing to do with this!!! Haha

[bab]

A round for everyone!

:beer: :drink: :beer: :drink: :beer: :drink: :beer: :drink:

[underwaterrhymes]

:beer: :drink: :beer: :drink: :beer: :drink:

[Deleted]

did I spell flamming wrong? flaming? hmmm.

cheers!

[underwaterrhymes]

LOL. You did spell flaming wrong, but I thought it was in homage to slop.

[tulip]

Jun 28, 2012 19:16:54 GMT -5 fields said:

did I spell flamming wrong? flaming? hmmm.

cheers!

Clink!! Enjoying a beer!!

[tulip]

Jun 28, 2012 19:18:28 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

LOL. You did spell flaming wrong, but I thought it was in homage to slop.

Yep I missed on that bad... Oh well I can't spell everything all the time!! Shrugs...

[natsnow]

It seems I'm a little tardy for the party here, but I'm on board with Dr&rn on this one. I'm concerned about how this is going to pan out.

[sprky79]

Hey Tulip:

My oldest and closest friend in the world lives in Sweden. She moved there at 19.

She went to the Unviersity. She did not have to take a test at 16. Hell, she lived in ILLINOIS at 16, so that would have been pretty damn hard.

Yes, they are taxed out of their assholes and she'll admit it. But the healthcare is just about free, and they get all sorts of paid time off for new baby, and all sorts of retirement benefits. So, in her words, "she gets a lot of it back."

I have my questions about the bill too, but they don't have a damn thing to do with Sweden.

[marynjoe]

Jun 28, 2012 15:44:31 GMT -5 @drrn04 said:

I think we're going to see a lot of bitching and moaning in the next 10 years about wait times and poor availability of primary care doctors/ER care (it infuriates me that I even have to group those 2 types of care together), because they will be even more poorly reimbursed than they are now. Med school graduates will have even less incentive to go into it because they won't be able to make enough money to pay their mortgage, much less pay back the $150k+ in student loans.

I think you'll see an even greater divide among the haves and have-nots in terms of quality and availability of care.

I think you'll start to see more doctors (maybe even some hospitals) stop taking insurance all together and just take on patients who pay cash, so they don't have to deal with insurance companies calling the shots w/r/t reimbursements and their pay, and how many patients they have to see in a work day.

Pretty much, I think everyone is all "YAY! This means I'll get awesome affordable healthcare forever and ever!" when really the people who are on the fringes now will continue to get effed by the system, just in a different way.

This is already happening, and more than I think some people realize.

[marynjoe]

Don't the citizens of Sweden pay around 60-70% of their income in taxes?

[saraandmichael]

Jun 28, 2012 22:31:24 GMT -5 cjoy said:

Aren't most Swedes blondes? Are we all going to have to be blonde now too?

fuck.

are we going to have to speak swedish, too?

i do, however, like swedish fish. hopefully we can get a bunch of those with all that money we're throwing toward to government.

[marynjoe]

Here's a legit question I've seen tossed around on the interwebz: how does this affect illegal immingrants who aren't 'in the system'? If you have to have insurance, how can you explain going to a doctor or hospital and not having it? Will they not give care to those who come in and don't have proof or aren't in the system? How can they penalize them if they don't have a social security card? But, how can they buy insurance if they're getting paid under the table and aren't on an employer's rolls? If they don't have insurance, and don't file with the IRS, how can the IRS fine them for not having insurance? Are they totally cut out of the insurance system?

[candyapple]

Jun 28, 2012 22:31:24 GMT -5 cjoy said:

Aren't most Swedes blondes? Are we all going to have to be blonde now too?

I think you can get an exemption if you have really nice natural color to begin with. You should apply.