Here's a legit question I've seen tossed around on the interwebz: how does this affect illegal immingrants who aren't 'in the system'? If you have to have insurance, how can you explain going to a doctor or hospital and not having it? Will they not give care to those who come in and don't have proof or aren't in the system? How can they penalize them if they don't have a social security card? But, how can they buy insurance if they're getting paid under the table and aren't on an employer's rolls? If they don't have insurance, and don't file with the IRS, how can the IRS fine them for not having insurance? Are they totally cut out of the insurance system?
There is a good article on CNN right now that covers this.
Here's a legit question I've seen tossed around on the interwebz: how does this affect illegal immingrants who aren't 'in the system'? If you have to have insurance, how can you explain going to a doctor or hospital and not having it? Will they not give care to those who come in and don't have proof or aren't in the system? How can they penalize them if they don't have a social security card? But, how can they buy insurance if they're getting paid under the table and aren't on an employer's rolls? If they don't have insurance, and don't file with the IRS, how can the IRS fine them for not having insurance? Are they totally cut out of the insurance system?
There is a good article on CNN right now that covers this.
I wouldn't pick CNN as a good source for this particular topic today. ha.
How can people pay the penalty (tax) for no insurance if they don't file taxes? Or pay taxes?
See, the losers out there that have always sucked the system dry won't see a change. Everything in their life is already free, and will continue to be so. It is the working person that barely makes it paycheck to paycheck, and just can't afford to pay for health care, yet don't qualify for free healthcare, that will get fucked.
I live in a small area, and the amount of welfare bums is disgusting. And they all seem to live pretty ok, as sad as that is. They have houses, they have cars, their kids have all of the newest of electronics.
I think those of you declaring that no one would screw the government because being poor sucks needs to look at another neighborhood than the one you live in. It is everywhere, and people fuck the government for less of a reason than healthcare.
I think we're going to see a lot of bitching and moaning in the next 10 years about wait times and poor availability of primary care doctors/ER care (it infuriates me that I even have to group those 2 types of care together), because they will be even more poorly reimbursed than they are now. Med school graduates will have even less incentive to go into it because they won't be able to make enough money to pay their mortgage, much less pay back the $150k+ in student loans.
I am shocked. My friend whose son has had heart surgery and now may need help with his kidneys is against this new healthcare. I am floored she is so against it considering her own son would not be able to get coverage later in life because of his pre-existing condition with his kidneys. <sigh>
And also - the studies (all of them) have shown cost savings and DECREASE in the deficit.
WTH would you call this? It will be government run health care.
This won't be a cost savings for the taxpayer. This won't be free for those paying taxes. Everyone will get this, non tax payers & illegals. How do you think the broke government will pay the bill? It will be out of our checks.
Look at Sweden.
You are completely wrong here. There is no other way to put it.
There is NO GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE.
There is a government regulated mandate to purchase YOUR OWN INSURANCE POLICY.
So you have it through your employer? Yeah, you're all set.
Otherwise, it's a lot of restrictions and requirements for insurance companies, pretty much all in the consumer's favor.
There is no single payer system. I wish there was, but alas, there is not.
How much of your income goes to student loans? How much goes to healthcare?
Sure, their taxes are higher - but they get that shit for free. What are the fastest rising costs in America? Education and Healthcare.
6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other. I'd rather pay higher taxes and have everyone have access to healthcare than pay exorbitant amounts for CEO bonuses and barely any coverage, while others can't afford it at all.
the only thing i can't confirm is about my insurance premium, is that now going to be considered taxable income, where at the moment it is not considered taxable income?
there are provisions i like in the bill and other's i am sceptical about, but i think we will all have to see how it plays out.
Post by turkeylurkey on Jun 29, 2012 8:50:33 GMT -5
So far, the bill won't affect me much on a personal level, but it has me very concerned for the new business my mother in law recently started, and for small business owners in general. Many can't afford to offer health insurance to their employees, and will have to lay people off, or in my in laws case, may have to severely restrict growth to avoid penalties.
I'm not against the whole thing I just don't want to pay for it. Taxes will go up. I'm cheap!! I'm sorry!!!
We are most likely paying more right now because uninsured people are extremely expensive as they get treated when they have major issues that they have waited to resolve because they had no insurance.
So, instead of paying $300 for stitches and antibiotics WE have to pay 30K for an amputation and hospitalization etc.
I'm not against the whole thing I just don't want to pay for it. Taxes will go up. I'm cheap!! I'm sorry!!!
Dude, I'm the cheapest of the cheap. And the whole goal of this reform is to make it cheaper, which I don't think you're understanding.
Let's assume that everyone is in a big pool and we're all sharing costs. Because really, we all are. Sure I have insurance and Jane down the street doesn't, but when Jane goes to the ER and can't pay for it, it eventually comes out of my tax dollars anyways. So for all intents and purposes, we're all in the same pool.
Now that we're all on the same page of paying for Jane's health care (because remember, we're already doing that), the question is do you want to pay for her to have a yearly doctor visit and preventative care that costs $150 or do you want to pay for a few ER visits that cost $10,500? It's cheaper and more fiscally sound to pay for her preventative care, no?
As for the taxes being higher thing, I think you need to go back and read what Jaylea wrote. You're paying for it either through taxes or out of pocket with insurance premiums which continue to rise astronomically. Have you priced out private insurance lately? Shoot, even my dad's healthcare through GE (hello giant employer!) has risen dramatically in the past 20 years.
I'm not against the whole thing I just don't want to pay for it. Taxes will go up. I'm cheap!! I'm sorry!!!
As for the taxes being higher thing, I think you need to go back and read what Jaylea wrote. You're paying for it either through taxes or out of pocket with insurance premiums which continue to rise astronomically. Have you priced out private insurance lately? Shoot, even my dad's healthcare through GE (hello giant employer!) has risen dramatically in the past 20 years.
gretchen, my dad was a small business owner who offered heatlh insurance to his employees. he retired a couple of years ago and had to get private insurance. he is 62, in great health, and pays $1300/month for coverage.