I ordered melatonin for L.

[gretchenindisguise]

It should be here tomorrow.

Cross your fingers this works.

[lucky513]

Good luck

[ralphlauren]

My fingers and toes are crossed for you and her

[gretchenindisguise]

The past 4 nights have been 10-11pm bedtimes. omg. I want to die.

[angelaa73]

Is your pedi recommending shorter or no naps?

[dowagercountess]

You already know this did not work for P. She has been through the whole gamut, and still late bedtimes.

[dowagercountess]

I do hope it works, was what I meant to infer, but if it doesn't and you want to hear the entire process I went through since I tried it, I am happy to share. It's 11 here, and she is in bed drawing.

[Deleted]

Good luck, I hope it does the trick for you.

Have I told you guys I was also a late bedtime kid? Ever since I remember. My parents would make me go to bed the same time as the rest of my (3) siblings, which was 7:30-8pm. I would then tell them I had to go to the bathroom and sit in there reading Highlights until they would make me go back to bed. Then, they would go to bed (10pm-ish) and I would still be lying there, wide awake.

As I got older, I had a really hard time falling asleep because I couldn't shut my brain off. And then it became a pyschological thing (probably because I was over tired.) Then in my early 20's I went on Paxil b/c of my anxiety thing and after a couple years on that...and now 6+ years since I stopped it...I can conk out no problem.

Anyway, I'm still a late bed time person. But MY POINT: I don't think I suffered any (determental) long term effects from this...just how I was wired.

Not that you are concerned about that.

I just feel like oversharing tonight.

[lucky513]

Curious question for dowager and Gretch
Do they stay up because you're up?
If you were to go to bed at her bed time would they go to sleep?

[flex]

Melatonin does not make you go to sleep. But it keeps you asleep once you get there.

[montereybride]

Do you think it would work to tell her that she doesn't have to sleep?

I used to do that with kids I would babysit for naptime.

I would tell them "You don't have to sleep, but you do have to be under your covers with your head on your pillow, resting quietly until I come to get you."

I never had a kid NOT take a nap.

I know bedtime is a lot different but maybe telling her she doesn't have to sleep but that she does have to be in her bed, under her covers, with her pajamas on, with her head on her pillow and a couple books might get her to relax a little.

I got nothin. I don't have kids. wtf do I know?!

[gretchenindisguise]

Jul 3, 2012 0:48:50 GMT -5 angelaa73 said:

Is your pedi recommending shorter or no naps?

We've tried.

[gretchenindisguise]

Jul 3, 2012 0:52:47 GMT -5 dowagercountess said:

You already know this did not work for P. She has been through the whole gamut, and still late bedtimes.

I thought Benadryl was working for you all.

[gretchenindisguise]

Jul 3, 2012 1:02:25 GMT -5 lucky513 said:

Curious question for dowager and Gretch
Do they stay up because you're up?
If you were to go to bed at her bed time would they go to sleep?

No. We've tried going to bed and she stays up. Once she's older I'll be fine with it if that's the case, but she's still a bit needy.

[gretchenindisguise]

Jul 3, 2012 1:13:53 GMT -5 montereybride said:

Do you think it would work to tell her that she doesn't have to sleep?

I used to do that with kids I would babysit for naptime.

I would tell them "You don't have to sleep, but you do have to be under your covers with your head on your pillow, resting quietly until I come to get you."

I never had a kid NOT take a nap.

I know bedtime is a lot different but maybe telling her she doesn't have to sleep but that she does have to be in her bed, under her covers, with her pajamas on, with her head on her pillow and a couple books might get her to relax a little.

I got nothin. I don't have kids. wtf do I know?!

We do this. She can be in her room quietly and I have no issues. But she's still not asleep any earlier.

She gets really restless. I honestly think sometimes she tries to sleep and honest to goodness can't. At least twice a week (if not more) she'll wake up and then not be able to lay still. Last week I video taped her for several minutes of a 65+ minute restless session in the middle of the night. I'll post tomorrow.

[montereybride]

Aww man.

That just sucks all the way around for you guys.

I hope the melatonin works.

[lucky513]

How early can you get restless leg syndrome?

[gretchenindisguise]

Jul 3, 2012 1:01:04 GMT -5 fields said:

Good luck, I hope it does the trick for you.

Have I told you guys I was also a late bedtime kid? Ever since I remember. My parents would make me go to bed the same time as the rest of my (3) siblings, which was 7:30-8pm. I would then tell them I had to go to the bathroom and sit in there reading Highlights until they would make me go back to bed. Then, they would go to bed (10pm-ish) and I would still be lying there, wide awake.

As I got older, I had a really hard time falling asleep because I couldn't shut my brain off. And then it became a pyschological thing (probably because I was over tired.) Then in my early 20's I went on Paxil b/c of my anxiety thing and after a couple years on that...and now 6+ years since I stopped it...I can conk out no problem.

Anyway, I'm still a late bed time person. But MY POINT: I don't think I suffered any (determental) long term effects from this...just how I was wired.

Not that you are concerned about that.

I just feel like oversharing tonight.

I'm not really concerned hugely about her development as much as I'm concerned about my sanity. Does that make me a bad parent?

[gretchenindisguise]

Jul 3, 2012 1:24:19 GMT -5 lucky513 said:

How early can you get restless leg syndrome?

I've honestly wondered about it for her. I'm planning on showing the pedi at her 3 yr appt.

[lucky513]

I was just reading the symptoms and it sound like it may be something to look into or rule out

[gretchenindisguise]

Does this link work?

www.smugmug.com/gallery/20498362_RzDxTT/1922628831_p5XXSSb

Again this is towards the end of a solid 65 minute restless session.

[lucky513]

Wow
She is constantly tossing and Turing poor baby
I hope you guys figure it out soon

[dfl]

Watching that video is like watching K "sleep."

I've spent last thursday thru saturday nights up and sitting in her room and watching her sleep and it's like she's sleeping but not sleeping.

two weeks ago she woke up at 11:30 PM on a wed. and was up till 5:30 pm the next day (thurs.) and then slept till 6 am the next day.

She did really well with sleeping for a couple of months and now it's back and worse.

[dowagercountess]

She was going to sleep around 10 or 11 still, but staying asleep. We took her off of it for a week, to see if it was really having an effect. It wasn't. She is old enough where it isn't as draining. I can go to sleep, she can amuse herself without calling me, she's just in there FOG style. She will sleep faster if I put her in bed with me when she is not asleep yet, but not by much. Naps don't make a difference either way.

[dowagercountess]

Oh, and Gretchen, my stepfather reminded my mom, after witnessing this on our trip there - I was this way too. I have vague memories of laying in the dark, awake.

[gretchenindisguise]

Jul 3, 2012 4:23:08 GMT -5 dowagercountess said:

Oh, and Gretchen, my stepfather reminded my mom, after witnessing this on our trip there - I was this way too. I have vague memories of laying in the dark, awake.

I was not this way. I was the 2 year old that put myself to bed. Where are my good sleep karma points?

[salimoo]

Jul 3, 2012 1:03:40 GMT -5 flex said:

Melatonin does not make you go to sleep. But it keeps you asleep once you get there.

The hell it doesn't! I am non-functional after 1.5mg.

[fuckyourcouch]

I was the same way as a kid (still am). I can't fall asleep at a normal time unless I've 100% exhausted myself all day, or I take a pill. I thrashed around bad too. I hope the melatonin works!

[gretchenindisguise]

Jul 3, 2012 11:36:47 GMT -5 loonylunalovegood said:

I did this as a kid. You might want to ask your pedi about growing pains. They truly suck the big balls and when I was that little I didn't know exactly what to tell my mom except that I didn't want to sleep because I would get in bed and hurt. Seeing her toss and turn like that makes me think it might be a physical thing.

How long would growing pains last? This isn't a new thing for her, so that's what has steered me away from thinking it was growing pains.