S/O guns -- ABC World News "Young Guns" this Friday

[redheadbaker]

This Friday at 10 pm Eastern, ABC World News is running a special report on children/teens and guns. I saw a preview of it on the evening news tonight. There are some horrifying statistics. One NYC E.R. was seeing a child with an accidental gun injury TWO TIMES A WEEK. 1.7 million children live in a home with an unlocked, loaded firearm. 

abcnews.go.com/US/video/young-guns-diane-sawyer-special-21694484

[kmpls]

I was hoping you were talking about the movie with Emilio, Lou, Balthazar. And the blaze of glory Bon Jovi song.

[heyjude]

What I don't fucking understand is that if we were talking about ANY OTHER CONSUMER PRODUCT that caused this much injury and death to children, there would be so much movement to improve or ban or curtail sale of the product either by statute, regulation, or case law.

FOR GOD'S SAKE a few kids tipped over in a BUMBO and those things went through all this hoo ha to improve it.

FFS. A Bumbo.

[Velvetshady]

Jan 27, 2014 18:49:56 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

This Friday at 10 pm Eastern, ABC World News is running a special report on children/teens and guns. I saw a preview of it on the evening news tonight. There are some horrifying statistics. One NYC E.R. was seeing a child with an accidental gun injury TWO TIMES A WEEK. 1.7 million children live in a home with an unlocked, loaded firearm. 

abcnews.go.com/US/video/young-guns-diane-sawyer-special-21694484

Maybe if we, as a country, stopped classifying incidents involving unlocked (or even locked), loaded firearms as "accidents", it would help. Start locking up the owners of said firearms for the "accidents" whether they were present or not.


I know many very pro-gun, pro-second amendment people. Not a single one thinks it is reasonable or responsible to leave a gun loaded. Yes, the sentence ends there. 

[debatethis]

I know I'm preaching to the choir here but I have mentioned MANY times that the NRA itself says that the proper/safe way to store a gun is locked up, unloaded, clean, and separate from its ammunition. Why, then, is it so hard to get legislation passed to require such things as prerequisites to gun ownership?

Start making homeowners'/renters' insurance policies require gun safes, gun safety courses, and trigger locks. And ditto Velvetshady that irresponsible gun owners need to be locked up. Negligent homicide, not nasty accident, FFS.

[sushi]

Phew. I fast forward through the ad and was afraid it was going to be some new reality show like Palin and her hunting from helicopters.

[noodleoo]

I saw the preview for this too and set my DVR. However, I'm not the audience that needs to see this.

[tinfoilhat]

The preview showed a young boy point a handgun in his face. It literally made my husband sit up and gasp. To see a little kid look down the barrel of a gun out of sheer curiosity is shocking.

[ttt]

Nationwide there are about 20 young people sent to the hospital every single day due to guns:

www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-guns-toll-children-20140127,0,2247874.story#axzz2rgoyV4e1

[ttt]

Victims ages 15 to 19 made up 84% of the children brought to the hospital with gunshot wounds, and two-thirds of those injuries were attributed to assault. Among these older children, roughly 24% of the cases were considered unintentional. Suicide attempts accounted for 239 of 4,143 of those firearm-related hospitalizations.

Among younger children, accidental firearm injuries were most common. Of the 378 children under 10 brought to the hospital in connection with a firearm injury, roughly three-quarters were considered victims of an accidental or unintended shooting. Thirty-one children younger than 5 and 47 ages 5 to 9 were injured in gun-related assaults in 2009.


www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-guns-toll-children-20140127,0,2247874.story#ixzz2rgpHyKYi

[msmerymac]

Yeah, sorry, there's no room in the second amendment for those who argue that they need a loaded, unlocked firearm by their bedside to protect their home from "intruders." The second amendment is explicit about the "well-regulated militia" shit, not "vigilante justice in lieu of law enforcement officers." Sorry.

I come from a home that contained several unloaded, locked firearms, and my dad is pretty adamant that introducing a loaded gun into an intruder situation almost always ends up with... the intruder taking your gun. Congrats, now you have a loaded gun pointed at you.

[KateAggie]

Jan 27, 2014 19:54:48 GMT -5 tillie said:

We do have a loaded gun in our house. In a locked gun safe in its own slot. All other guns are not loaded but most definitely locked in the safe at all times.

There is no good reason for this.  None at all.

[msmerymac]

Jan 28, 2014 9:56:41 GMT -5 tillie said:

Jan 28, 2014 9:44:29 GMT -5 KateAggie said:

There is no good reason for this.  None at all.

  And that's okay, it's your opinion.  As long as the guns were bought legally and are stored in a locked gun safe there is nothing wrong with it.

*-)

[heyjude]

Jan 28, 2014 9:56:41 GMT -5 tillie said:

Jan 28, 2014 9:44:29 GMT -5 KateAggie said:

There is no good reason for this.  None at all.

  And that's okay, it's your opinion.  As long as the guns were bought legally and are stored in a locked gun safe there is nothing wrong with it.

The only thing wrong with it is that you or someone in your house is more likely to die by that gun than you are to shoot an intruder. But okay.

[redheadbaker]

Jan 28, 2014 12:14:31 GMT -5 tillie said:

Jan 28, 2014 12:07:51 GMT -5 heyjude said:

The only thing wrong with it is that you or someone in your house is more likely to die by that gun than you are to shoot an intruder. But okay.

  I'm not worried. 

I'm sure most aren't, until it happens to them. Since nobody ever thinks it will happen to them.

[earlgreyhot]

Jan 27, 2014 18:59:42 GMT -5 heyjude said:

What I don't fucking understand is that if we were talking about ANY OTHER CONSUMER PRODUCT that caused this much injury and death to children, there would be so much movement to improve or ban or curtail sale of the product either by statute, regulation, or case law.

FOR GOD'S SAKE a few kids tipped over in a BUMBO and those things went through all this hoo ha to improve it.

FFS. A Bumbo.

Well, to be fair Bumbo ownership is not constitutionally protected.

[debatethis]

Jan 28, 2014 2:53:54 GMT -5 tinfoilhat said:

The preview showed a young boy point a handgun in his face. It literally made my husband sit up and gasp. To see a little kid look down the barrel of a gun out of sheer curiosity is shocking.

And this is why gun safety courses need to be taught along side the drug courses starting in preschool. Small children are curious - at the bare minimum they need to realize that if they see a gun it is not a toy and they need to run and tell an adult ASAP.

[debatethis]

Jan 28, 2014 12:14:31 GMT -5 tillie said:

Jan 28, 2014 12:07:51 GMT -5 heyjude said:

The only thing wrong with it is that you or someone in your house is more likely to die by that gun than you are to shoot an intruder. But okay.

  I'm not worried. 

Neither were the parents of the hundreds of kids who've found their parents' guns and shot themselves or their siblings.

[heyjude]

Jan 28, 2014 12:14:31 GMT -5 tillie said:

Jan 28, 2014 12:07:51 GMT -5 heyjude said:

The only thing wrong with it is that you or someone in your house is more likely to die by that gun than you are to shoot an intruder. But okay.

  I'm not worried. 

I think Nancy Lanza thought the same.

[redheadbaker]

Jan 28, 2014 13:51:24 GMT -5 debatethis said:

Jan 28, 2014 2:53:54 GMT -5 tinfoilhat said:

The preview showed a young boy point a handgun in his face. It literally made my husband sit up and gasp. To see a little kid look down the barrel of a gun out of sheer curiosity is shocking.

And this is why gun safety courses need to be taught along side the drug courses starting in preschool. Small children are curious - at the bare minimum they need to realize that if they see a gun it is not a toy and they need to run and tell an adult ASAP.

In the preview on ABC World News, they WERE taught a gun safety course (the NRA's) PLUS had a police officer come to school to reinforce what they should do if they found a gun (don't touch, leave the area, tell an adult). Then they hid three unloaded and safety-locked guns in a classroom, had the teacher leave the room and filmed the kids as they found the guns. 

That's what makes this so scary.

[sushi]

Jan 28, 2014 14:06:38 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Jan 28, 2014 13:51:24 GMT -5 debatethis said:

And this is why gun safety courses need to be taught along side the drug courses starting in preschool. Small children are curious - at the bare minimum they need to realize that if they see a gun it is not a toy and they need to run and tell an adult ASAP.

In the preview on ABC World News, they WERE taught a gun safety course (the NRA's) PLUS had a police officer come to school to reinforce what they should do if they found a gun (don't touch, leave the area, tell an adult). Then they hid three unloaded and safety-locked guns in a classroom, had the teacher leave the room and filmed the kids as they found the guns. 

That's what makes this so scary.

Yep. What are the stats on what parents think vs what kids actually do? There's a wide disconnect.

[debatethis]

Jan 28, 2014 14:06:38 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Jan 28, 2014 13:51:24 GMT -5 debatethis said:

And this is why gun safety courses need to be taught along side the drug courses starting in preschool. Small children are curious - at the bare minimum they need to realize that if they see a gun it is not a toy and they need to run and tell an adult ASAP.

In the preview on ABC World News, they WERE taught a gun safety course (the NRA's) PLUS had a police officer come to school to reinforce what they should do if they found a gun (don't touch, leave the area, tell an adult). Then they hid three unloaded and safety-locked guns in a classroom, had the teacher leave the room and filmed the kids as they found the guns. 

That's what makes this so scary.

That's utterly terrifying to me.

[pescalita]

Jan 28, 2014 2:53:54 GMT -5 tinfoilhat said:

The preview showed a young boy point a handgun in his face. It literally made my husband sit up and gasp. To see a little kid look down the barrel of a gun out of sheer curiosity is shocking.

Hell, my 2 yo isn't allowed to look down the barrel of a Nerf blaster.

[meshaliuknits]

Jan 28, 2014 14:30:48 GMT -5 pescalita said:

Jan 28, 2014 2:53:54 GMT -5 tinfoilhat said:

The preview showed a young boy point a handgun in his face. It literally made my husband sit up and gasp. To see a little kid look down the barrel of a gun out of sheer curiosity is shocking.

Hell, my 2 yo isn't allowed to look down the barrel of a Nerf blaster.

Yo. "Dont point that* at yourself. Or your brother, anyone else including the cats... Not the tv either!" Is a regular refrain in our house.

*That = the shooting lasso on the invisible jet or the bear ball blaster (heh).

Sent from my EVO

[orangeblossom]

Bumping to remind people this is airing tonight.

[sushi]

Jan 31, 2014 19:52:31 GMT -5 orangeblossom said:

Bumping to remind people this is airing tonight.

Thanks for this. But I can't find it listed. Is it not on regular ABC? Not even the search function is working.

[romigu]

Jan 27, 2014 18:59:42 GMT -5 heyjude said:

What I don't fucking understand is that if we were talking about ANY OTHER CONSUMER PRODUCT that caused this much injury and death to children, there would be so much movement to improve or ban or curtail sale of the product either by statute, regulation, or case law.

FOR GOD'S SAKE a few kids tipped over in a BUMBO and those things went through all this hoo ha to improve it.

FFS. A Bumbo.

So true. It's disgusting how money and politics can speak louder than these horrifying statistics.

[romigu]

Jan 27, 2014 18:59:42 GMT -5 heyjude said:

What I don't fucking understand is that if we were talking about ANY OTHER CONSUMER PRODUCT that caused this much injury and death to children, there would be so much movement to improve or ban or curtail sale of the product either by statute, regulation, or case law.

FOR GOD'S SAKE a few kids tipped over in a BUMBO and those things went through all this hoo ha to improve it.

FFS. A Bumbo.

So true. It's disgusting how money and politics can speak louder than these horrifying statistics.

[mominatrix]

Jan 31, 2014 22:47:00 GMT -5 sushi said:

Jan 31, 2014 19:52:31 GMT -5 orangeblossom said:

Bumping to remind people this is airing tonight.

Thanks for this. But I can't find it listed. Is it not on regular ABC? Not even the search function is working.

It's tonight's 20/20

Sent from my SGH-T999 using proboards

[kadams767]

Jan 28, 2014 12:14:31 GMT -5 tillie said:

Jan 28, 2014 12:07:51 GMT -5 heyjude said:

The only thing wrong with it is that you or someone in your house is more likely to die by that gun than you are to shoot an intruder. But okay.

  I'm not worried. 

You're obviously worried about something, you have a loaded firearm in your home.