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[nsl]

Jul 9, 2012 20:13:48 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Jul 9, 2012 19:29:40 GMT -5 decemberrain said:

About the chicken pox vaccine, I got it as a kid and got chicken pox 3 times. My brothers each got it and got chicken pox twice. I'm hoping it's evoloved since but if not I can understand why some people would not want to get their child that vaccine.

This is exactly why people should support the vaccination! You apparently were one of the few in whom the vaccine does not work. Apparently, neither did natural exposure. So you want everyone around you vaccinated so they're not continuing to expose you. That's the concept behind herd immunity.

Not to BETATT, but the point about herd immunity hits really close to home for me personally. For whatever reason, my MMR vaccines (and at this point I've had a half dozen of them) don't take. I get the shot, have my titers checked a year later, and I have no immunity whatsoever. I completely rely on herd immunity to protect me from measles, mumps, and rubella because my body and modern chemistry can't do it. It absolutely boggles my mind that people choose not to vaccinate their kids given how many of us out there need mass immunity to keep themselves and the rest of the population healthy.

[sookie]

Um, NSL... what does BETTAT mean?

[nsl]

Sorry, it's Bring Every Thread Around To Themselves.

[sookie]

Jul 10, 2012 0:16:19 GMT -5 nsl said:

Sorry, it's Bring Every Thread Around To Themselves.

Got it! I was sitting here trying to match different letters to words, but nothing was working.

[basilosaurus]

Funny, I assumed it was "not to be a total twat." For real.

Even though I know it doesn't make sense.

[bigmamma]

Jul 9, 2012 12:47:59 GMT -5 ilovelamp said:

people who don't believe in vaccinating their offspring?

My supervisor told me she doesn't vaccinate. I asked what she would do if her daughter's classmate went to visit family in Asia and spread TB to her. She said she would deal with it then. Okay...

I vaccinate my kids, and if someone else feels their offspring should be risked to suffer illness or death... umm.... hmmm... civil liberty, darwinism

Shitastic quandary

[basilosaurus]

Oh, don't get me started on VAERS.

[kcd0531]

Jul 9, 2012 16:20:16 GMT -5 @ojo said:

I was too old to get the HPV vaccine, but I plan to vaccinate my sons against it.

Even things like the flu ("I get the flu every year!")...I was hospitalized for the flu in my early 20s. I couldn't stop vomiting or pooping long enough to even get in the car and drive myself to the hospital, so I needed an ambulance transport. I vomited so many times in the first hour that the substance that was coming up looked like shredded grapefruit...it was chunks of my esophagus. After that experience, I can easily see how people can die of influenza. I was a month away from shipping out for BMT, 22 years old, very healthy.

My mom is hard core anti-vax, so I've lived both sides of it. Now that I'm about to have two newborns who can't be vaccinated against whooping cough for two months and we're having an active outbreak here, I have renewed anger for my mom's stupidity.

Are you planning to BF? If so, I highly recommend getting the whopping cough vax yourself. The hospital offered it to me after EJ was born and so I was able to offer him that extra protection for having been vaccinated myself and passing whatever antibodies I could through BM.

[audette]

Jul 11, 2012 15:21:49 GMT -5 @ojo said:

The beauty of being active duty is that I've had everything I could possibly get, and same for H.

And, holy crap do you guys get a lot of shots!

They once pulled up DH's shot record when I went in to get mine updated. We got about as far as seeing "smallpox", and I realized what was going on. It was a _huge_ list for DH... Mine has nothing on his (and my shot record isn't shabby for a civilian...).

[crimewatcher]

Jul 9, 2012 20:13:48 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Jul 9, 2012 19:29:40 GMT -5 decemberrain said:

About the chicken pox vaccine, I got it as a kid and got chicken pox 3 times. My brothers each got it and got chicken pox twice. I'm hoping it's evoloved since but if not I can understand why some people would not want to get their child that vaccine.

This is exactly why people should support the vaccination! You apparently were one of the few in whom the vaccine does not work. Apparently, neither did natural exposure. So you want everyone around you vaccinated so they're not continuing to expose you. That's the concept behind herd immunity.

Jul 9, 2012 19:29:40 GMT -5 decemberrain said:

Also about the flu shot, every year my H and I get a flu shot we both get the flu really really bad.

Maybe you did (if it was ineffective), maybe you didn't. Not every illness actually is the flu, although it can be similar. The vaccine doesn't prevent nasty colds and other winter bugs. What I can tell you is that you can't get the flu from the vaccine nor does it make you more prone to it, so what's your risk in getting it?

You are right that you can't get the flu from the vaccine but if the vaccine is made out of the wrong strain like a couple years ago (in Minnesota) -- getting the vaccine doesn't protect you from shit.

TBH I haven't gotten a flu shot since I was in elementary school. I am a healthy person and haven't gotten the flu since I can remember. I just don't get sick much. Now I am also not a parent but if I am pregnant during flu season I'll probably get the shot and will vaccinate my children until they are teenagers.

If anyone is interested here is a study the U of Minnesota did... Efficacy and effectiveness of influenza vaccines: a systematic review and meta-analysis minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2011/10/documents/flu.pdf

CN: they found the vaccine to work 59% of the time in Adults 18-65 yrs old. You can decide for yourself if that is good enough.

[basilosaurus]

59%>0, right? Sounds good enough to me! Especially since it's free for us.

I don't think I've ever had the flu. But what's gone on in my past doesn't do anything to predict my future, so I'm going to keep getting the shots to try and stay flu free. It sounds miserable.

[kcd0531]

Jul 11, 2012 15:21:49 GMT -5 @ojo said:

The beauty of being active duty is that I've had everything I could possibly get, and same for H.

Oh, duh, I feel silly now.

[feedthecrocs]

Jul 9, 2012 21:02:27 GMT -5 decemberrain said:

I'm not sure if it was the flu or if it was a horrible bug but, I haven't been vomiting sick in 4 years without the flu shot. With the shot I would get vomiting sick every year. So I plan to not get it even if it was a terrible coincidence because I hate vomiting with a fiery passion of a thousand suns.

Just to clarify, the flu that you get a vaccine for is a respiratory illness, it does not involve GI issues, so what you were getting was not the flu.