Active shooter at Fort Hood?

[epphd]

Apr 2, 2014 18:20:05 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Apr 2, 2014 18:15:11 GMT -5 epphd said:

Totally not a gun lobby apologist (FAR from it in fact, I would be happy to have the 2nd Amendment scrapped), but there is no way Fox would characterize this as a good guy with a gun. He was a bad guy, (scary Muslim), likely with an illegal gun. And he sounds like a prick, to be fair. I'm liberal and all but can't get down jihad threats.

I think she meant that all the other good guys with guns on the base would stop the shooting.

Ahhh, yeah that makes a lot more sense. Sorry :?

[notsocreepylurker]

Local news here in Houston is saying the 1 death is the shooter - self inflicted wounds

[tef]

CNN just said 4 dead (incl shooter).
Name is Ivan Lopez (unconfirmed)

[tef]

Initial report: Soldier on Soldier, not terrorism

[tef]

14 injured

[ringstrue]

Wtf wtf wtf!!!

[cattledogkisses]

Apr 2, 2014 18:56:03 GMT -5 tef said:

Initial report: Soldier on Soldier, not terrorism

See, this stuff scares the bejeezus out of me.  It's not enough that I have to worry about H's safety with regards to Taliban/Al-Qaeda enemies, apparently I also need to be worried about the fellow soldiers he's working and living with. 

I'm not normally prone to cursing, but fuck. 

[KateAggie]

Apr 2, 2014 18:33:01 GMT -5 epphd said:

Apr 2, 2014 18:20:05 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

I think she meant that all the other good guys with guns on the base would stop the shooting.

Ahhh, yeah that makes a lot more sense. Sorry :?

Our trained military members aren't allowed to carry on base, making the argument over whether or not that would be effective pointless.

[Knight]

I'm seeing four dead, including the shooter, and 11 injured. No word on motive. I hope it wasn't PTSD related. Those guys get enough grief as it is. Every time I read an article about it some chucklefuck in the comments always makes some stupid comment about not joining up if you can't hack it.

[debatethis]

Apr 2, 2014 18:15:11 GMT -5 epphd said:

Apr 2, 2014 17:49:06 GMT -5 debatethis said:

But we always learn from our mistakes! And...and....and GOOD GUYS WITH GUNS!

Totally not a gun lobby apologist (FAR from it in fact, I would be happy to have the 2nd Amendment scrapped), but there is no way Fox would characterize this as a good guy with a gun. He was a bad guy, (scary Muslim), likely with an illegal gun. And he sounds like a prick, to be fair. I'm liberal and all but can't get down jihad threats.

I was more referring to an entire military base full of guns (at the very least the MP's, who should've been on alert due to the threats made public yesterday) - the argument has been made ad nauseam that the only way to stop the bad guys with guns is for good guys to have guns. Clearly that's not happening. Again.

[KateAggie]

Apr 2, 2014 20:14:30 GMT -5 debatethis said:

Apr 2, 2014 18:15:11 GMT -5 epphd said:

Totally not a gun lobby apologist (FAR from it in fact, I would be happy to have the 2nd Amendment scrapped), but there is no way Fox would characterize this as a good guy with a gun. He was a bad guy, (scary Muslim), likely with an illegal gun. And he sounds like a prick, to be fair. I'm liberal and all but can't get down jihad threats.

I was more referring to an entire military base full of guns (at the very least the MP's, who should've been on alert due to the threats made public yesterday) - the argument has been made ad nauseam that the only way to stop the bad guys with guns is for good guys to have guns. Clearly that's not happening. Again.

But the MPs are the only ones who can carry.  So unless this guy started shooting in the presence of an MP, you can't argue one way or the other to the effectiveness of a "good guy with a gun."  And even then, the argument would be over whether or not it's effective to have an on duty police officer right there when a shooting starts, to which I think we could all agree would be a better scenario than a shooting without law enforcement right there.

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Kent State on Twitter is reporting a shooter on campus and telling everyone to shelter in place. Jesus.

[iamali]

Apr 2, 2014 19:16:40 GMT -5 cattledogkisses said:

Apr 2, 2014 18:56:03 GMT -5 tef said:

Initial report: Soldier on Soldier, not terrorism

See, this stuff scares the bejeezus out of me.  It's not enough that I have to worry about H's safety with regards to Taliban/Al-Qaeda enemies, apparently I also need to be worried about the fellow soldiers he's working and living with. 

I'm not normally prone to cursing, but fuck. 

I mean, technically this could be said about any work place. It's not exclusive to the military (the part about the other soldiers).

Sent from my defective S3.

[FloFTW]

Apr 2, 2014 20:33:58 GMT -5 @muggle said:

Kent State on Twitter is reporting a shooter on campus and telling everyone to shelter in place. Jesus.

I'm an alumna and I'm 40 minutes away so I'm following. It sounds like a gunshot was heard but they don't know what happened yet.

[Cicero]

[tef]

The shooter was being treated for depression and undergoing evaluation to be diagnosed with PTSD/
Self-reported traumatic brain injury from Iraq War.

[sushi]

I saw this just as I was about to meet with my psychiatrist. An army psychiatrist. We were both kind of dafuq? Again? But then moved on. I mean, what else can you say.

[wanderlustfoodie]

This is so sickening and sad.

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Apr 2, 2014 20:14:30 GMT -5 debatethis said:

I was more referring to an entire military base full of guns (at the very least the MP's, who should've been on alert due to the threats made public yesterday) - the argument has been made ad nauseam that the only way to stop the bad guys with guns is for good guys to have guns. Clearly that's not happening. Again.

I like how you've made up what happens on a military base to suit your own purposes.

Were they supposed to arm everyone on post or ring up the infantry and send them to do a 100% search of oncoming vehicles/kick in doors? I need to know which scenario do you think would have addressed this.

[Deleted]

Apr 2, 2014 20:33:01 GMT -5 KateAggie said:

But the MPs are the only ones who can carry.  So unless this guy started shooting in the presence of an MP, you can't argue one way or the other to the effectiveness of a "good guy with a gun."  And even then, the argument would be over whether or not it's effective to have an on duty police officer right there when a shooting starts, to which I think we could all agree would be a better scenario than a shooting without law enforcement right there.

Also, there are only so many MPs. The rest of the military is not trained/not supposed to be acting as a police force. (It's part of why Afghanistan and Iraq have had more than a few time periods of clusterfuckery.) Thanks to cuts in the military (since the Clinton era btw before you accuse me of blaming Obama) there are decidedly less MPs on a given post. So even if there were threats, you can't station MPs at every place on post. Nor can you use the infantry as a police force. 

Military training =/= police training

[soxin2]

Apr 2, 2014 18:07:48 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

WTF? I thought this was a bumped-up old thread. Awful.

Ditto, except I saw it on a news ticker first and thought I read it wrong and it was about the previous situation.

[KateAggie]

Random thought...wasn't it a female police officer who wounded Hassan in 2009? Just popped into my head as I'm listening to coverage on the radio and they're talking about the female MP who engaged Lopez yesterday ending the shooting.

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Apr 3, 2014 14:16:52 GMT -5 KateAggie said:

Random thought...wasn't it a female police officer who wounded Hassan in 2009? Just popped into my head as I'm listening to coverage on the radio and they're talking about the female MP who engaged Lopez yesterday ending the shooting.

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Yes it was. I don't know what the stats are, but I've seen a number of female MPs. 

[KateAggie]

Apr 3, 2014 20:48:23 GMT -5 @helenabonhamcarter said:

Apr 3, 2014 14:16:52 GMT -5 KateAggie said:

Random thought...wasn't it a female police officer who wounded Hassan in 2009? Just popped into my head as I'm listening to coverage on the radio and they're talking about the female MP who engaged Lopez yesterday ending the shooting.

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Yes it was. I don't know what the stats are, but I've seen a number of female MPs. 

According the my stats, the women of Killeen, TX are above average on the badass scale.

[Deleted]

I know it seems people are already over it, but I'm rather fascinated with this story.

What I've gotten so far is that the shooter was from Puerto Rico, has only been at this post a few months, and came there from Ft Bliss. He also may have had an altercation with someone that sparked the attack. However, seeing as you don't carry on post, I seriously doubt he simply got into an argument with someone and started shooting.

I've also seen that he had a wife and a three year old daughter. I cannot imagine.

[sushi]

I'm still interested in this, too. BBC said there was a verbal altercation. They also pronounced it as Ft Huuuude which made me inappropriately laugh.

I'm not sure what they mean by saying he was "being evaluated for" PTSD. As in, had the command noticed? Had he gone to a chaplain or mental health? How formal was this evaluation?

My guess is he was already prepared to shoot up the place, probably tense with a ton of adrenaline, and along the way verbally sparred with someone.

[tef]

Apr 3, 2014 21:06:15 GMT -5 sushi said:

I'm still interested in this, too. BBC said there was a verbal altercation. They also pronounced it as Ft Huuuude which made me inappropriately laugh.

I'm not sure what they mean by saying he was "being evaluated for" PTSD. As in, had the command noticed? Had he gone to a chaplain or mental health? How formal was this evaluation?

My guess is he was already prepared to shoot up the place, probably tense with a ton of adrenaline, and along the way verbally sparred with someone.

Per last night, he was being seen by psychologists (I believe) but it was a long process to get to diagnosis so it was not complete yet. 

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Apr 3, 2014 21:06:15 GMT -5 sushi said:

I'm still interested in this, too. BBC said there was a verbal altercation. They also pronounced it as Ft Huuuude which made me inappropriately laugh.

I'm not sure what they mean by saying he was "being evaluated for" PTSD. As in, had the command noticed? Had he gone to a chaplain or mental health? How formal was this evaluation?

My guess is he was already prepared to shoot up the place, probably tense with a ton of adrenaline, and along the way verbally sparred with someone.

I'd heard that he'd already been evaluated for PTSD last month. He was undergoing treatment for anxiety and depression and had been for some time. It sounds to me like he was dealing with depression and anxiety for a while and that the PTSD screening might have been ordered as part of an evaluation at the new post. I think he'd only been at Ft Hood for four months. So I would imagine it would be akin to going to a new therapist who wants to go over your record, make sure the old doctor didn't miss anything, and form the right treatment plan going forward.

[EllieArroway]

Apr 3, 2014 21:09:40 GMT -5 @letshike said:

I read last night that his wife was watching the coverage with her neighbor before the name was released and was still watching with the neighbor when they said the name. I don't even know what to say about that. Watching it on tv and then it being announced it was your husband? Holy shit.

I can't even imagine. That poor woman.

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And she's new to the post too. I wonder what will happen to her, how the military is treating his death. There's a whole structure in place for what happens when a soldier dies in combat but I don't know what happens when he dies doing something like this.