No. No it's not. All discrimination is most certainly not equal.
So are you saying that the discrimination gay people face is not in fact comparable to those black people face?
Havin' a hard time reading?
I'm not saying it's any less debilitating or painful for the person experiencing the discrimination, but yes, it's different. Like how the discrimination a white woman experiences is different than the discrimination a black woman experiences, etc.
So are you saying that the discrimination gay people face is not in fact comparable to those black people face?
Havin' a hard time reading?
I'm not saying it's any less debilitating or painful for the person experiencing the discrimination, but yes, it's different. Like how the discrimination a white woman experiences is different than the discrimination a black woman experiences, etc.
wow ok. I wasn't trying to be snarky - just asking your opinion. Jesus.
Yes I think they an be compared in the sense that both groups are discriminated against and have been/ are considered 'less than' for who they inherently are which is something they cannot change.
I don't think anything comes close to comparing to slavery, but otherwise yes.
Holocaust, maybe? Gays didn't fare well there. Matthew Shepard? And other gays who have been murdered/tortured/etc. because of their sexual orientation?
That's the problem with trying to make any sense of (or worse, to draw qualitative conclusions from) these comparisons.
YES, ok I completely agree. I think you are totally right.
Denver, gay marriage is still illegal here. I would agree with the POAS except my friends on assistance and it tends to be a different world.
Are there any laws for domestic partnership?
I don't know what you mean by the bolded.
Registration of your committed partnership creates a public record of your relationship. Based on your attestation, it proves that you have met the requirements for committed partnership defined by ordinance that an employer or other party may or may not choose to recognize in offering domestic partnership benefits. What registration does not do — Registering as committed partners does not constitute a marriage under the laws of the State of Colorado nor change your legal rights with your partner. Registration does not affect your property, contract, inheritance, custody, or benefit rights nor any other legal entitlements. It does not provide for name changes. To provide for such rights domestic partners will have to execute wills and other documents, including, but not limited to, general and/or medical powers of attorney, just as though there were no partnership.
There is obvious discrimination in the public hospital
Post by phoebebuffay on May 12, 2014 16:51:16 GMT -5
Are they the same? No.
They are two separate human rights issues, but like the civil rights movement, the current issue on gay rights has huge implications for society. There are similarities between the two (discrimination, separate but equal is not equal, etc.), and I don't think anyone is trying to say they are exactly the same thing. I think there is benefit in comparing them in the sense that things have improved greatly for black rights (and hopefully will continue to improve) and we should strive for that in the LGBT movement.
My thing is, why would you even try? Honor the sacrifices and indignities both groups have had to suffer. I think it lessens the collective experience to even attempt comparison.
You know what I love? My stepdad (married to my mom) is OBLIVIOUS to it. He is black and just has no idea it is happening to him, or to my white mother because she is married to a black man. He is just happy.
Post by lissaholly on May 12, 2014 16:55:16 GMT -5
The personal stories make me sad.
I do not think slavery can be compared to anything. It is such a horrid side to humanity that has its own place in history. Just like the holocaust is it own evil.
I do think though that the abolition of slavery can be compared to the legality of gay marriage. Present day society can not imagine slavery ever being "okay. ". Or even legal. At some point in the future society will not be able to understand that LGBT rights were once a legal issue. I think that is the promise of comparing the two, as unfair as it might be.
My thing is, why would you even try? Honor the sacrifices and indignities both groups have had to suffer. I think it lessens the collective experience to even attempt comparison.
Agreed. I'm confused as to why this is a question. I don't get it.
I think the closest comparison might be how blacks were treated a few years after the civil rights bill passed. When some of the most brutal things were no longer implicitly backed or ignored by the government but discrimination was still prevalent among society and violence was sometimes still inflicted.
Right. I think a more apt comparison would be how black people and white people couldn't marry.
And Sharknado, I can't imagine your stepfather is oblivious. He may let comments and ugliness roll off of his back, which is amazing and a testament to his mental and emotional strength, but it would be incredibly difficult to be completely oblivious.
No. No they cannot compare. And you cannot omit slavery to make a "fair comparison." Slavery is the catalyst. It can't be removed for the sake of argument.
My thing is, why would you even try? Honor the sacrifices and indignities both groups have had to suffer. I think it lessens the collective experience to even attempt comparison.
Agreed. I'm confused as to why this is a question. I don't get it.
I think it is a prevalent question. I see the two compared all the time in discussions on gay rights or LGBT discrimination. Then it is followed by a discussion about what that is not fair and why the Blavk community should be offended. If I remember right, it happens after the Duck Dynasty Dolt opened his foul- mouthed trap.
It is really hard to point out to people who are against the "LGBT agenda", as they call it, just how wrong the discrimination is. At some point, slavery and/or Jim Crowe ( thank you Sons of anarchy for almost making me type Sam Cro!). Is brought up. I think it is brought up because at one point it was legally backed by religon to discriminate and now it is universally accepted as wrong. It is then pointed out how the comparison is unfair, which it is, but what else can you compare it to to get peoe to see themsves as wriong for discriminations based on religon? I do not see the comparison as suffering g Olympics just a way to get people to see your point.
You know what I love? My stepdad (married to my mom) is OBLIVIOUS to it. He is black and just has no idea it is happening to him, or to my white mother because she is married to a black man. He is just happy.
I think thats very naive to think that he doesn't notice. It may not affect his happiness, but he notices and he has EVERY clue what is "happening to him."
Agreed. I'm confused as to why this is a question. I don't get it.
I think it is a prevalent question. I see the two compared all the time in discussions on gay rights or LGBT discrimination. Then it is followed by a discussion about what that is not fair and why the Blavk community should be offended. If I remember right, it happens after the Duck Dynasty Dolt opened his foul- mouthed trap.
It is really hard to point out to people who are against the "LGBT agenda", as they call it, just how wrong the discrimination is. At some point, slavery and/or Jim Crowe ( thank you Sons of anarchy for almost making me type Sam Cro!). Is brought up. I think it is brought up because at one point it was legally backed by religon to discriminate and now it is universally accepted as wrong. It is then pointed out how the comparison is unfair, which it is, but what else can you compare it to to get peoe to see themsves as wriong for discriminations based on religon? I do not see the comparison as suffering g Olympics just a way to get people to see your point.
I can see the point of drawing parallels, but (to me, maybe it's just semantics?) that is different than comparing the two. And even then, I don't really see the purpose.
And because I cannot begin to speak for an entire group-- let alone, two-- of which I am not even remotely a member.
No. Even excluding slavery, they have not been denied the things that black people were denied for decades, nor is the source of their difference from others immediately identifiable at a glance.
Like? My dad has been fired once he's been outed. He can not put his partner on his insurance We have been spit on We have been asked to leave restaurants We have been run out of churches If something happens to my dad or his partner, I make the medical decisions for fear of backlash if they put each other as power of attorney
It definitely doesn't have to be the suffering Olympics. Black people were denied being in certain public places, jobs, education, voting, owning land due to legislation against them to name a few of the differences.
So yes they are both civil rights issues that have some similarities and it's a matter of opinion if one is "worse" than the other, but black people were legally denied things that gay people aren't denied.
Also, this is a tangent but the OP said the struggles that black people WENT through...last time I checked discrimination is alive and kicking against blacks (and minorities).
It definitely doesn't have to be the suffering Olympics. Black people were denied being in certain public places, jobs, education, voting, owning land due to legislation against them to name a few of the differences.
So yes they are both civil rights issues that have some similarities and it's a matter of opinion if one is "worse" than the other, but black people were legally denied things that gay people aren't denied.
You know what I love? My stepdad (married to my mom) is OBLIVIOUS to it. He is black and just has no idea it is happening to him, or to my white mother because she is married to a black man. He is just happy.
I think thats very naive to think that he doesn't notice. It may not affect his happiness, but he notices and he has EVERY clue what is "happening to him."
I am not black or gay, so no, I can not say absolutely how he feels. But he does say that he doesn't notice. I can only convey what he says, not how he feels.