F-you Boy Scouts.

[Jalapeñomel]

I hate them.

us.cnn.com/2012/07/17/us/boy-scouts-gay/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

[Jalapeñomel]

My entire family supported the Boy Scouts. My child will NEVER be involved in this organization until they decide to stop discriminating...some days I wonder if I actually live in 2012 or 1955.

[Jalapeñomel]

Jul 18, 2012 0:16:11 GMT -5 namasteak said:

The weirdest thing to me is that 1 of my moms was cubscout leader for like 5 years (I think you can only be a woman leader until the boys hit a certain age group)!

How does your mom feel about it now?

I wouldn't be in the least surprised to find out they are OK with a lesbian troupe leader but not a gay man as a troupe leader.

[Jalapeñomel]

Jul 18, 2012 0:23:31 GMT -5 namasteak said:

Jul 18, 2012 0:21:03 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

How does your mom feel about it now?

I wouldn't be in the least surprised to find out they are OK with a lesbian troupe leader but not a gay man as a troupe leader.

She thought it was good for my brother to have strong male role models since we grew up w/o a dad (well he wasn't around b/c he was an asshole). Honestly it was a great group of dads leading that pack or troupe or whatever its called so I don't think my brothers specific group agreed with the larger organization.

Mom is not happy re: this decision.

This is just a killer. In principle, it is a good thing for boys. But the whole discrimination thing is just awful. How can you be OK with your child being involved in a group that opening discriminates? It just disgusts me.

I posted this on FB, and I know that my SIL in going to have a fit about it. My nephew is heavily involved in BSA, and although I have expressed my disgust with my parents, I haven't really been open about it with her. But then again, she has raised her children in a "Christian" household that has opening discussed how being gay is against god's will (or whatever). I even argued with my oldest nephew about it (he actually thinks that being gay is a relatively new thing, that no one talked about it or was gay prior to 1960).

[Jalapeñomel]

Jul 18, 2012 0:30:08 GMT -5 namasteak said:

I cried when I watched Jesus Camp a few years ago. Seeing parents indoctrinate their kids is bad enough but teaching them to hate other people is just the worst.

And teaching them to hate in the name of Jesus, who supposedly is the epitome of love and understanding, nonetheless.

[birdistheword]

Gay rights, discrimination, etc. is one of those things I can barely discuss with people because I get so riled up/emotional about it when I hear people spew hateful, unfounded crap. I feel like until people stop viewing homosexuality as a "choice" it will be impossible to convince them that the LGBT community deserves the same rights and protections afforded to minorities, women, etc.

Ugh. I hate this.

[Jermys]

H was nearly an Eagle Scout, but between this and their anti-atheist stance, our son won't ever follow in those foot steps.

[Jalapeñomel]

Jul 18, 2012 0:43:28 GMT -5 birdistheword said:

Gay rights, discrimination, etc. is one of those things I can barely discuss with people because I get so riled up/emotional about it when I hear people spew hateful, unfounded crap. I feel like until people stop viewing homosexuality as a "choice" it will be impossible to convince them that the LGBT community deserves the same rights and protections afforded to minorities, women, etc.

Ugh. I hate this.

I get so mad and so emotional too. I just do not understand how people can discriminate against another human being even if it is is a choice. Go fuck yourselves for thinking that you are a better human being because you aren't gay or that you don't "believe" in being gay. These are people too... PEOPLE, damnit, and you should treat them as PEOPLE.

[birdistheword]

The "family values/sanctity of marriage" argument fills me with RAGE. Want to get married 4 times and cheat on each subsequent spouse? No biggie! As long as those spouses are of the opposite sex!

[liamsmom]

That's terrible! DS is never joining them.

[Cayl]

Wow, I'm reading the comments of the article and they're just ridiculous. The worst comment is some idiot who thinks he has a great idea for a compromise -

"Okay, I see the argument now. They shouldn't be banned based on telling the administration they are gay, but more based on not telling the boyscout they are gay, and not trying to hit on the boys.

right ?

I'm ok with that.. but there should be some ... safety check. I had friend in the scouts but wasn't. I was with another camp. our intructors were always in groups of two (two instructors per student groups).

is it the same for scouts ? that should be safe enought. just make sure one of the two isn't gay. should be safe."

Apparently boys can't be safe around gay men. IMO people like this are even worse then those who are just outright homophobic. This person would probably be someone who say "I can't be homophobic, I have gay friends!!!". I don't know which would be worse, to be excluded entirely or to be told that I couldn't be trusted to supervise a group of kids.

Of course, I'm not saying it's not a good idea to have two adults. In outings with large groups of kids I think that's a great idea. But I think to make sure that one isn't homosexual so that the kids will be "safe" is disgusting.

[cleo29]

I hate that this perpetuates the myth that being gay=pedophile. Because, you know, if you like the peen you don't care about the age of the man/boy.

[Deleted]

I told Jake our boys aren't doing it, even though it's a big thing to do in the Mormon culture.

It's interesting to me to see the difference between the Boy and Girl Scouts regarding these issues.

[underwaterrhymes]

I cannot describe how pissed off I am over this.

[hubes]

No Boy Scouts for T!

::flings 4-H pamphlets about Married Life::

[Jalapeñomel]

Grrrr! I am still really upset about this. DH and I discussed a long time ago that our phantom child will never be involved.

[Deleted]

No Boy Scout involvement in the Homewrecker household. I really can't stomach supporting bigotry.

[Jalapeñomel]

Jul 18, 2012 8:20:29 GMT -5 ninjabridemom said:

I told Jake our boys aren't doing it, even though it's a big thing to do in the Mormon culture.

It's interesting to me to see the difference between the Boy and Girl Scouts regarding these issues.

Don't the Mormons own the boy scouts now?

[silverhammer]

All three of my brothers got their Eagle Scout thing. I've always said I didn't want my kids to be involved if only because I'd hate getting them ready to go camping. I also really dislike the religious affiliation. Why can't there just be a group that teaches wilderness survival skills without involving hating gay people?!

Ninjabridemom, are you and your DH mormon?

[karmasabiotch]

J will never get to join because of that policy.

[wildfloweragain]

I wanted to be a girl or boy scout leader. I was in Girl Scouts. Our community had a shortage of boy scout leaders, though, so I was waiting for them to reverse their decision and we'd join. We will not be joining the boy scouts.

[bab]

This makes me so sad. WTF?

=(

[Deleted]

Jul 18, 2012 8:20:29 GMT -5 ninjabridemom said:

I told Jake our boys aren't doing it, even though it's a big thing to do in the Mormon culture.

It's interesting to me to see the difference between the Boy and Girl Scouts regarding these issues.

H is an Eagle Scout and I think my MIL would have a meltdown if we didn't put our (future) boys in scouts. It is a very big part of LDS culture, especially here in Utah.

That said, I really really really do not want my kids in Boy Scouts because of this.

[Jalapeñomel]

Jul 18, 2012 13:43:55 GMT -5 @utahlove13 said:

Jul 18, 2012 8:20:29 GMT -5 ninjabridemom said:

I told Jake our boys aren't doing it, even though it's a big thing to do in the Mormon culture.

It's interesting to me to see the difference between the Boy and Girl Scouts regarding these issues.

H is an Eagle Scout and I think my MIL would have a meltdown if we didn't put our (future) boys in scouts. It is a very big part of LDS culture, especially here in Utah.

That said, I really really really do not want my kids in Boy Scouts because of this.

THere is a whole lotta crazy stuff on the internet regarding Mormons and boy scouting.

[Jalapeñomel]

suite101.com/article/mormon-boy-scouting-program-a55275
dailyross.com/2010/02/the-bsas-mormon-problem/