If you do not eay dairy...what is breakfast?

[water*drop]

Jun 3, 2014 9:19:00 GMT -5 clseale said:

Jun 3, 2014 9:15:40 GMT -5 @sessalee said:

You're not the first one to make this mistake and you won't be the last!

Stop. I refuse to believe this is a thing. Who? Who is doing this? Are people getting no-dairy & vegan messed up? 

I think it's from the old food pyramid and because eggs are in the dairy section at the store. When DD and I couldn't eat dairy, we had LOTS of people question whether or not we could have eggs (or, even better, outright tell me that I - and the pediatrician - was wrong about DD's dairy intolerance because she was fine eating eggs). It's definitely a common misconception.

OP, I usually did overnight oats made with almond or coconut milk.

[ebeth]

Jun 3, 2014 9:42:03 GMT -5 clseale said:

Jun 3, 2014 9:32:03 GMT -5 ebeth said:

I think under the original 4 food group model eggs were in the dairy category. in fact I think in the older pyramids they were in the dairy category too.  this is not an uncommon assumption.

let's not let this snowball h&f, mmmkay?

anyway, are you sick of eggs, or just trying to avoid them?  I started making deviled eggs instead of HB for breakfast. to switch it up.  my typical breakfast lately is deviled eggs, string cheese/almonds, and a V-8. 300-400 cals and I'll be good to go until 1pm probably.

It was a genuine question. I have honestly never heard this misconception before. I really thought that perhaps she was just confusing non-dairy & vegan (& if she actually meant vegan, that would greatly impact our suggested foods). It's also a pretty helpful thing to point out to OP, since it seems that she likes eggs & wants to eat them, she just thought that she couldn't, because she wanted to cut back on dairy. 

I think it depends on how old you are. Ithink the actual food pyramid was rolled out in the late 80s/early 90s so if you didn't start school in the late 80's you weren't exposed to it whereas if you started school in prior to that your first introduction to the food groups involved the 4 group model (fruits, veg, meat, dairy) that put eggs with dairy because it's not really a meat, so I can see how this belief could persist.

it's one of those things like the electric company that is not a shared experience between people born 1975-1985 even though we're all about the same age now.

[thebulldog]

I am 36. I have never seen this before. Ever.

i be typing from me phone. typos and grammer dont count.

[mrs.jacinthe]

Jun 3, 2014 9:54:04 GMT -5 clseale said:

Jun 3, 2014 9:46:37 GMT -5 thebulldog said:

I know vegan means no animal products but i am fine with meat. My friend has a dairy allergy and also does not eat eggs. I just always lumped eggs into the diary family for no specific reason.

So i am the idiot for the day.

i be typing from me phone. typos and grammer dont count.

Not at all. It's (obviously) a common mistake. I genuinely thought there was just a mistake (typo) in your first question, so I was surprised when other people pointed out that it was a common thing.  Also, fwiw, eggs are just eggs to me. LOL Like, I don't place them anywhere. Up thread, people were all "eggs are meat!" and I was just thinking "Oh. Really?" Some vegetarians eat eggs, some don't. If I had to place them somewhere, I'm not sure what I would have called them. I have no idea where they go! 

I just call them a protein.  I tend to categorize things by macronutrient, though.  So, eggs, beans, certain dairy, and meat = protein.  

[wambam]

Jun 3, 2014 10:55:02 GMT -5 mrs.jacinthe said:

Jun 3, 2014 9:54:04 GMT -5 clseale said:

Not at all. It's (obviously) a common mistake. I genuinely thought there was just a mistake (typo) in your first question, so I was surprised when other people pointed out that it was a common thing.  Also, fwiw, eggs are just eggs to me. LOL Like, I don't place them anywhere. Up thread, people were all "eggs are meat!" and I was just thinking "Oh. Really?" Some vegetarians eat eggs, some don't. If I had to place them somewhere, I'm not sure what I would have called them. I have no idea where they go! 

I just call them a protein.  I tend to categorize things by macronutrient, though.  So, eggs, beans, certain dairy, and meat = protein.  

I have a question. And I'm not being critical, I just don't understand. According to MFP, one serving of black beans has 2.5x the grams of carbs as protein. Why are beans considered a protein?

[ebeth]

Jun 3, 2014 10:55:02 GMT -5 mrs.jacinthe said:

Jun 3, 2014 9:54:04 GMT -5 clseale said:

Not at all. It's (obviously) a common mistake. I genuinely thought there was just a mistake (typo) in your first question, so I was surprised when other people pointed out that it was a common thing.  Also, fwiw, eggs are just eggs to me. LOL Like, I don't place them anywhere. Up thread, people were all "eggs are meat!" and I was just thinking "Oh. Really?" Some vegetarians eat eggs, some don't. If I had to place them somewhere, I'm not sure what I would have called them. I have no idea where they go! 

I just call them a protein.  I tend to categorize things by macronutrient, though.  So, eggs, beans, certain dairy, and meat = protein.  

yeah.  so do I. 

my point is that back in the olden days there were four food groups: F+V, grains/cereal, meat, dairy. in the olden days, eggs went into the dairy group. I believe the exact name was milk, eggs, and cheese.  then they came out with the new pyramid and eggs went into the 'meat' group.  some of you are too young to have ever been exposed to the archane and distasteful notion that eggs are dairy, but I would not be surprised to encounter someone who put eggs into the 'dairy' category.

now for our next H&F throwdown/2 pager. . .  .corn: grain or vegetable??

[Deleted]

Jun 3, 2014 13:47:02 GMT -5 ebeth said:

Jun 3, 2014 10:55:02 GMT -5 mrs.jacinthe said:

I just call them a protein.  I tend to categorize things by macronutrient, though.  So, eggs, beans, certain dairy, and meat = protein.  

yeah.  so do I. 

my point is that back in the olden days there were four food groups: F+V, grains/cereal, meat, dairy. in the olden days, eggs went into the dairy group. I believe the exact name was milk, eggs, and cheese.  then they came out with the new pyramid and eggs went into the 'meat' group.  some of you are too young to have ever been exposed to the archane and distasteful notion that eggs are dairy, but I would not be surprised to encounter someone who put eggs into the 'dairy' category.

now for our next H&F throwdown/2 pager. . .  .corn: grain or vegetable??

It's a grain! Or a starch. Or the world's worst vegetable.

[libbygrl109]

Jun 3, 2014 10:36:23 GMT -5 @vtcupcake said:

Jun 3, 2014 10:05:22 GMT -5 ebeth said:

I think it depends on how old you are. Ithink the actual food pyramid was rolled out in the late 80s/early 90s so if you didn't start school in the late 80's you weren't exposed to it whereas if you started school in prior to that your first introduction to the food groups involved the 4 group model (fruits, veg, meat, dairy) that put eggs with dairy because it's not really a meat, so I can see how this belief could persist.

it's one of those things like the electric company that is not a shared experience between people born 1975-1985 even though we're all about the same age now.

Age test: Please explain what the following video means to you:

Saturday morning cartoons. I admit it. I'm old.

[clseale]

Jun 3, 2014 13:47:02 GMT -5 ebeth said:

Jun 3, 2014 10:55:02 GMT -5 mrs.jacinthe said:

I just call them a protein.  I tend to categorize things by macronutrient, though.  So, eggs, beans, certain dairy, and meat = protein.  

yeah.  so do I. 

my point is that back in the olden days there were four food groups: F+V, grains/cereal, meat, dairy. in the olden days, eggs went into the dairy group. I believe the exact name was milk, eggs, and cheese.  then they came out with the new pyramid and eggs went into the 'meat' group.  some of you are too young to have ever been exposed to the archane and distasteful notion that eggs are dairy, but I would not be surprised to encounter someone who put eggs into the 'dairy' category.

now for our next H&F throwdown/2 pager. . .  .corn: grain or vegetable??

A few things are interesting/funny about all of this. 1) I am not one the young ones on the board (32), but I was never exposed to this 4 category nonsense. Obviously. 2) I got into an argument (in total fun, we were laughing about it) with a co-worker about eggs being meat. He just kept pushing, and every time I said that they weren't meat, I got a "What are they then??" Dude. They're eggs. Stop making me categorize my food!!!

[ktzmoh]

I'm on my 4th dairy free week and breakfast was hard for me - I used to default to greek yogurt and had an addiction to milk based Kefir. I've switched to fruit + some kind of nuts or nutbutter or something like overnight oats.

During the week I need grab and go - so eggs are out. And I kind of want them less and less these days

[mrs.jacinthe]

Jun 3, 2014 11:27:28 GMT -5 wambam said:

Jun 3, 2014 10:55:02 GMT -5 mrs.jacinthe said:

I just call them a protein.  I tend to categorize things by macronutrient, though.  So, eggs, beans, certain dairy, and meat = protein.  

I have a question. And I'm not being critical, I just don't understand. According to MFP, one serving of black beans has 2.5x the grams of carbs as protein. Why are beans considered a protein?

I'm no nutritionist, this is sort of a kindergarten level of food understanding for me: I think a lot depends on which bean, but I think because they're high in fiber as well, the carbs are somewhat mitigated.  For example, there's a TON of protein in lentils, edamame, peanuts, white beans, etc, but not so much in beans like peas.  I only count foods as a carb if they're pretty much PURELY a carb (even though MFP tracks everything), so carbs to me are things like bread, pasta, white rice, potatoes.  There may be other redeeming value in it (i.e. the nutrients in a sweet potato), but it's still a carb.