Scientists aren't telling the truth

[Deleted]

That's what my DS said this morning while discussing global warming.

It isn't humans calling the earth to warm, the earth's orbit is actually getting closer to the sun and we are going to crash into the sun in 3M years.

Where does he learn this stuff? He's 7

[pixy0stix]

hrmmm... Science curriculum at school?

[smock]

Has he been watching Fox News?

[MrsDL]

Jul 18, 2012 9:46:10 GMT -5 smock said:

Has he been watching Fox News?

Fox News is all about Global Cooling, not warming, these days. No crashing into the sun, it's all about another ice age.

www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/05/19/global-cooling-scientists-warming/

On another note - the scientific community can't agree on this issue so I don't know how you could accuse them of lying or not.

[pixy0stix]

Jul 18, 2012 9:53:20 GMT -5 MrsDL said:

On another note - the scientific community can't agree on this issue so I don't know how you could accuse them of lying or not.

False. Most scientific branches agree that it's a combination of things, but that humans are speeding the warming along.

[smock]

"On another note - the scientific community can't agree on this issue so I don't know how you could accuse them of lying or not."

I don't know where you're getting that. 97-98% of climate scientists agree that global warming is occurring, and that it is caused by humans.

www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.abstract

[pixy0stix]

Jul 18, 2012 10:00:21 GMT -5 smock said:

"On another note - the scientific community can't agree on this issue so I don't know how you could accuse them of lying or not."

I don't know where you're getting that. 97-98% of climate scientists agree that global warming is occurring, and that it is caused by humans.

www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.abstract

It's a tactic that has been thrown around by the conservative side for quite a while. "Most scientists!" I cannot tell you how many papers I wrote co-signed by several branches of science refuting this and other statements in the early 2000s. You get 1 scientist claiming the opposite of a wall of research, and all of a sudden you have a "great rift in scientific discourse" when in reality it's just one oddball trying to put his name in the papers.

[smock]

The best book I've read on this topic is Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming by Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway. They show how some of the exact same people who said that there was no evidence of a link between smoking and cancer, and that acid rain wasn't really so bad, are actively trying to make it look like there isn't a scientific consensus on global warming.

Here's a link to their website: www.merchantsofdoubt.org/

[smock]

Oh, and surprise, surprise, the book points out that tearing down all this scientific research is a completely politically orchestrated move to avoid creating more regulations on business or spending money to solve these problems.

[shadow]

Jul 18, 2012 9:53:20 GMT -5 MrsDL said:

Jul 18, 2012 9:46:10 GMT -5 smock said:

Has he been watching Fox News?

Fox News is all about Global Cooling, not warming, these days. No crashing into the sun, it's all about another ice age.

www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/05/19/global-cooling-scientists-warming/

On another note - the scientific community can't agree on this issue so I don't know how you could accuse them of lying or not.

I went to see Al Gore speak during his Inconvenient Truth tour or whatever it was. He talked about an ice age too. If I recall/understand correctly, we'll have global warming first, where the ice will melt, and mess w/ the temperature of the water and something to do w/ weather currents and then cause the next ice age. Does this ring a bell to anyone else?

[wawa]

Jul 18, 2012 11:21:57 GMT -5 shadow said:

Jul 18, 2012 9:53:20 GMT -5 MrsDL said:

Fox News is all about Global Cooling, not warming, these days. No crashing into the sun, it's all about another ice age.

www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/05/19/global-cooling-scientists-warming/

On another note - the scientific community can't agree on this issue so I don't know how you could accuse them of lying or not.

I went to see Al Gore speak during his Inconvenient Truth tour or whatever it was. He talked about an ice age too. If I recall/understand correctly, we'll have global warming first, where the ice will melt, and mess w/ the temperature of the water and something to do w/ weather currents and then cause the next ice age. Does this ring a bell to anyone else?

And then Dennis Quaid will have to drive his pickup truck that somehow magically still runs in arctic temperatures to pick you up in Manhatten and take you to Mexico.

[Deleted]

Yeah...there is no global climate change. Just ignore the relentless and ever increasing storms, the constant breaking of temperature highs, the droughts, the forest fires, the change in the oceans, the melting ice, the fact that all these are breaking records worldwide.

"These things happen every so often anyway" is the argument...followed by "so lets do nothing about it, its fine" lol.

[sparrowsong]

[pixy0stix]

I love that gif so much that I'm stealing it.

[aurora]

sparrow - that's amazing!

I second smock's recommendation for Merchant of Doubt. The exact same scientists claiming to be experts in several different fields drawing conclusions that oppose those of 97% of other scientists in each case? Not very credible.

[bhnumbers]

Jul 18, 2012 11:24:46 GMT -5 wawa said:

Jul 18, 2012 11:21:57 GMT -5 shadow said:

I went to see Al Gore speak during his Inconvenient Truth tour or whatever it was. He talked about an ice age too. If I recall/understand correctly, we'll have global warming first, where the ice will melt, and mess w/ the temperature of the water and something to do w/ weather currents and then cause the next ice age. Does this ring a bell to anyone else?

And then Dennis Quaid will have to drive his pickup truck that somehow magically still runs in arctic temperatures to pick you up in Manhatten and take you to Mexico.

Dammit! You just made me actually lol as I was rocking my baby to sleep and I woke him up. But yes, I thought of that, too

(confession: I really like that awful movie...no idea why, but if it's on tv when i'm flipping channels I watch it)

[wawa]

Jul 18, 2012 13:44:41 GMT -5 bhnumbers said:

Jul 18, 2012 11:24:46 GMT -5 wawa said:

And then Dennis Quaid will have to drive his pickup truck that somehow magically still runs in arctic temperatures to pick you up in Manhatten and take you to Mexico.

Dammit! You just made me actually lol as I was rocking my baby to sleep and I woke him up. But yes, I thought of that, too

(confession: I really like that awful movie...no idea why, but if it's on tv when i'm flipping channels I watch it)

Aw, sorry for waking up the baby.
MH likes that movie too and will also stop on it every time it's on TV, but I HATE it. It's one of those movies that really pushes the boundaries of my ability to suspend disbelief.

MH mocks me because I love fantasy and sci-fi, but I require them to maintain internal constancy too, so I don't see a conflict at all. That movie just had dozens of things that made NO sense. The truck was the final straw for me.

[MrsAxilla]

Jul 18, 2012 13:49:56 GMT -5 wawa said:

Jul 18, 2012 13:44:41 GMT -5 bhnumbers said:

Dammit! You just made me actually lol as I was rocking my baby to sleep and I woke him up. But yes, I thought of that, too

(confession: I really like that awful movie...no idea why, but if it's on tv when i'm flipping channels I watch it)

Aw, sorry for waking up the baby.
MH likes that movie too and will also stop on it every time it's on TV, but I HATE it. It's one of those movies that really pushes the boundaries of my ability to suspend disbelief.

MH mocks me because I love fantasy and sci-fi, but I require them to maintain internal constancy too, so I don't see a conflict at all. That movie just had dozens of things that made NO sense. The truck was the final straw for me.

Lol! I never once noticed the truck was magic in all the dozens of times I've watched that movie. I'm quick like that.

[bhnumbers]

Jul 18, 2012 13:49:56 GMT -5 wawa said:

That movie just had dozens of things that made NO sense. The truck was the final straw for me.

okay, so I=yourH and you=myH

it was on maybe a few months ago and DH walked in the room and instantly started mocking everything about the movie and pointing out every little thing that doesn't make sense. I told him that he wasn't allowed to speak anymore. ever.

[basilosaurus]

"Scientists" don't believe in climate change the way "scientists" don't believe in evolution.

[Deleted]

How do I steal sparrows gif to upload to Facebook from an iPad?

[Deleted]

Jul 18, 2012 14:01:07 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

"Scientists" don't believe in climate change the way "scientists" don't believe in evolution.

QFT

[aurora]

Jul 18, 2012 11:24:46 GMT -5 wawa said:

And then Dennis Quaid will have to drive his pickup truck that somehow magically still runs in arctic temperatures to pick you up in Manhatten and take you to Mexico.

Wait - there are tons of unbelievable things about that movie...but it is possible for a truck to run in "arctic temperatures." (I'm a bit fuzzy on the details since I didn't really watch it.)

/damn literalist signs out of the party now