Is this completely deranged, or am I?

[mominatrix]

This website set out to "correct" the map that's being circulated on social media, pinpointing 74 school shootings since Sandy Hook.

bearingarms.com/bogus-school-shooting-data-released-everytownmoms-demand-result-firings/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=baupdate

Now, they go through some incidents listed on the map, and their responses go a little like this:

James Coates @jccoates1983

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@chuckcjohnson "School shooting" at West Side Elementary was gun in a backpack that didn't hurt anybody. www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-in-kindergarteners-backpack-goes-off-at-memphis-elementary-school/ …

8:53 PM - 10 Jun 2014

Charles C. Johnson @chuckcjohnson

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"School shooting" listed by Everytown at Milwaukee school was crossfire from gang battle. www.wisn.com/news/one-person-shot-at-27th-clarke-in-milwaukee/26109266#!XhI66 …

Charles C. Johnson @chuckcjohnson

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"School shooting" listed by Everytown was accidental discharge by buddy from bullet that ricocheted off floor. Oops. www.youtube.com/watch?v=91nOjXqoVvA …

The Utah school shooting that Everytown lists isn't a school shooting but a suicide attempt. www.heraldextra.com/news/local/central/provo/student-shoots-himself-at-provo-high-didn-t-target-others/article_928ce059-c44a-528b-a4de-d8e3dc895f42.html … #RHShooting #NotOneMore

Charles C. Johnson @chuckcjohnson

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Another fake Everytown "school shooting." University of Wisc-Oshkosh shooting was at a dance, shot into the ceiling. fox11online.com/2014/03/13/14832/ …

Now, maybe I'm a crazy person, but these incidents ARE discharges of weapons at schools. Whether it was an accidental discharge or a shooting into a ceiling... these things should not be happening at our schools.

IMHO, a crazy nutter going in and shooting up a school is a too-common experience. These incidents DO "count", because they should be the sorts of things that even 'responsible' gun owners are trying to work against.

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just because an incident didn't end it tragedy doesn't make it any less significant in the fact we need change yesterday

[PinkSquirrel]

Charles C. Johnson @chuckcjohnson



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"School shooting" listed by Everytown was accidental discharge by buddy from bullet that ricocheted off floor. Oops. www.youtube.com/watch?v=91nOjXqoVvA …

What the shit is this "Oops" nonsense?   There should not be oops accidents with guns at schools.

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I think it would have made the claim better to only list actually intentional violence in schools (I think there are plenty) because the way things were calculated allows for this nonsense.

As someone currently sitting within walking distance of where a mass shooting occurred this spring (Overland Park, KS), I'm fully of the belief there is a problem and we need to get this shit under control.

[pescalita]

I think they're worth segregating because the solutions are different for different causes. But not ignoring.

Also: pinksquirrel I cannot stop watching your sig.

[KB]

This ish has been in my FB feed twice already today.

[Vespasia]

Jun 12, 2014 12:00:10 GMT -5 mominatrix said:

Now, maybe I'm a crazy person, but these incidents ARE discharges of weapons at schools. Whether it was an accidental discharge or a shooting into a ceiling... these things should not be happening at our schools.

IMHO, a crazy nutter going in and shooting up a school is a too-common experience. These incidents DO "count", because they should be the sorts of things that even 'responsible' gun owners are trying to work against.

If you're a crazy person then I'll happily join you on that bench.

I think they only one they could maybe, maybe exclude is the crossfire one and that's only if the bullets originated off the property. The girl was shot on the playground though so that's a stretch.

All the "oops" ones only avoided being tragedies by dumb luck.

[andrealynn]

It is just more evidence of the idea that there is no tragedy terrible enough for some of these people to consider changing the status quo. Going through lists and determining which episodes of gun violence or discharges should "count" is not something normal people would even consider doing.

I do think that different types of gun violence have different causes and will probably require different types of societal change to effect reduction, but at their root, they all involve guns and it is not unreasonable to group them together when looking at a big picture.

[secretlyevil]

I'm at the point, if there is a gun on school grounds, it should count.

[ringstrue]

They are all incidents that would be helped/prevented by better gun control laws. I don't see the point in picking them apart.

[frog]

The point of that infographic is that there have been way too many incidents of gun violence. Even if you take some of them out because they don't "count," there have still been way too fucking many.

[y4m]

A gun on school grounds is not a "school shooting". Period. Call it gun-related incidents on campus or you've gotta take those out to be accurate.

[mominatrix]

Jun 12, 2014 13:34:11 GMT -5 y4m said:

A gun on school grounds is not a "school shooting". Period. Call it gun-related incidents on campus or you've gotta take those out to be accurate.

yes, a non-discharged gun is not a "shooting", I'm with you on that.

But shooting a gun at a school dance, even if it's into a ceiling.... that's  a 'shooting'.

...and a gun going off 'accidentally' is a shooting, as well.



Gun discharges should NOT happen at school.

[ringstrue]

Its a gun, that shot, at a school. IDK I don't see the point of derailing the conversation over semantics.

WHY CANT WE STOP GUNS BEING BROUGHT TO SCHOOL?!

[debatethis]

OK, they want to be nitpicky, FINE. Take those dots off the map and then add in all the accidental discharge of a firearm deaths of small children across the US instead. I think they're digging their own grave with this one.

[msmerymac]

Jun 12, 2014 13:07:33 GMT -5 ringstrue said:

They are all incidents that would be helped/prevented by better gun control laws. I don't see the point in picking them apart.

That was my thought. 

Oh, gang-related gun fire? Well, it's not like gang violence could be prevented with fewer weapons, or anything! Let's throw up our hands when it comes to that.