Well this whole thing makes me hate people. Seriously. It starts at the top w/ the actual shooting, straight down to the parents who keep their babies/young kids out that late AND take them to an inappropriate movie. I am judging those parents something hard.
DH is being all level-headed about this and trying to say that you never know how you would react, but i have no doubt in my mind that he would do whatever he could to protect us. Shit, every time we fly somewhere, he checks my seatbelt to make sure it's tight enough when we are taking off. He's super protective.
I know that we never know what we're going to do, etc, etc.. But I stand firm on my thoughts that if you abandon your fiancee and two children in a theater when someone is shooting people, and you claim the infant was crying too much and would get you shot although the screams in the theater are probably so loud the shooter won't hear the infant crying, and then you exit the theater, jump in your car, and drive away, you're a piece of shit.
I know that we never know what we're going to do, etc, etc.. But I stand firm on my thoughts that if you abandon your fiancee and two children in a theater when someone is shooting people, and you claim the infant was crying too much and would get you shot although the screams in the theater are probably so loud the shooter won't hear the infant crying, and then you exit the theater, jump in your car, and drive away, you're a piece of shit.
Yup.
I can't say what I would do, having never been in that situation. But if I ever am and I leave my kids behind and drive off without even finding out if they're OK, feel free to judge the shit out of me.
What the fuck... she said yes AFTER he ditched them in the theater?
I'm judging that. This guy is a loser, he's shown you that. DO NOT MARRY HIM.
It's one thing that he fled and left the baby... the fact that even once he was out of immediate danger, he got in his mofo car and drove away? Um, yeahhhno. NO.
What the fuck... she said yes AFTER he ditched them in the theater?
I'm judging that. This guy is a loser, he's shown you that. DO NOT MARRY HIM.
It's one thing that he fled and left the baby... the fact that even once he was out of immediate danger, he got in his mofo car and drove away? Um, yeahhhno. NO.
Well now she deserves what she gets because she knows exactly what she's getting.
It's summer. Kids don't have anywhere to go. The younger ones are probably going to sleep through the movie. Infants will definitely sleep through the movie.
I just... I can't. 12 people died, 71 are injured and we're going to fucking judge the parents? Are you kidding me right now?
I wish I could have quoted this earlier on FB when arguing this point. You stated it much better than I did
Say what you want, I know I wouldn't leave my kids behind. Mostly I know this because the thought of them dying under any circumstances, much less alone and scared, is one of my anxiety triggers. If it actually happened, I would probably kill myself. Not a joke. So, saving my life at the expense of theirs doesn't make much sense to someone who quite literally couldn't live without her kids.
Yeah, I agree with this. I do not want to be in a world that doesn't include my kids - mentally, I am weak and I know I wouldn't survive it. I feel itchy and like it's hard to breathe just thinking of them not making it and being scared and alone. I'd rather die with them, comforting them.
And if you'll excuse me, I need to go take a xanax.
Say what you want, I know I wouldn't leave my kids behind. Mostly I know this because the thought of them dying under any circumstances, much less alone and scared, is one of my anxiety triggers. If it actually happened, I would probably kill myself. Not a joke. So, saving my life at the expense of theirs doesn't make much sense to someone who quite literally couldn't live without her kids.
Someone get this guy a Mike McQueary Badge of Courage.
:Y:
Also, I think we can judge the parents that bring kids to inappropriate movies way too late and not imply that they got what they deserved by being shot at. There are two different issues: the shooting and the bad parenting. One is only related to the other in that they happened at the same place.
I fully agree with everyone who says they aren't sure how they would react in the heat of the moment (referring to the theater, NOT the driving away). However, given that I recently jumped in front of a car that was only feet away from running over my son, putting myself at risk in the process, I feel a bit more confident that I would have done what was necessary to protect my kids to the best of my ability here.
TBH, as awful as that moment was, I took comfort in how quickly and easily I made the decision to put myself at risk to protect my child. Since harm to your child is every parent's greatest nightmare, I've often wondered how I would handle an emergency that meant a split second decision to risk my own safety for the sake of my children.
I think this is the reality for most people. I think we like to say things like, "Well you never know" because we actually just can't fathom it.
I think that's right. I got a lump in my throat just reading your 1st part and I know I would protect my kids, but the reality of it is just too much to really think about.
Someone get this guy a Mike McQueary Badge of Courage.
:Y:
I understand and somewhat agree with what Sibil is saying that you can't really know what you'd do in a situation like this - people do strange things under extreme stress/fear/panic. It reminds me somewhat of when parents leave their kid in a hot car by mistake and *everyone* says that they would never do that, never forget, etc.
But - the guy got in his car and DROVE AWAY? no thank you. That's beyond the initial fear response and she needs to dump him fast.
I think all parents can't fathom leaving their children. I think that goes without saying. I have already told dh that I wouldn't survive anything happening to lt.
Umm... ok, I know it must have been terrifying and people don't always react well when panicked. But he not only ditched his family, he DROVE AWAY AND LEFT THEM THERE?!?!>?!?!! WTF?
Thank you! This is what made my jaw drop. I don't have kids yet, but this is unacceptable as a human being.
With regards to bringing a baby/infant to a movie screening, I look at that from the perspective a ticket holder - if your kid starts crying and interrupting my experience, you'd best be prepared to eat your ticket cost and take said baby home. You're welcome to make the attempt, and I get that sometimes budgets are too tight for a babysitter AND a movie ticket - although DH & I have chosen accordingly in those times and just waited for the redbox rental. So I don't judge that too harshly. (We get into a whole 'nother ballpark if said kid is older, can take in what they are seeing and get freaked out or traumatized accordingly.)
But DRIVING AWAY? Um, NO. I will acknowledge that everyone's fear response can be different. But I can't imagine not putting my body between me and potential bullets if they started flying around my kids. So running away without kids AND driving away from the site without kids in my possession/protection is judge worthy. And he knows it. And he's going to have a shitty life now. Consequences, shmonsequences.
I'm sorry but I do think it says something to the core of who you are that you would not only bail on your damned kids in the middle of a shooting but drive the fuck off post haste.
Beyond driving away, it's bugging the shit out of me that this guy is throwing himself in front of every camera possible, and being portrayed as almost "heroic." What story are these reporters hearing?
Beyond driving away, it's bugging the shit out of me that this guy is throwing himself in front of every camera possible, and being portrayed as almost "heroic." What story are these reporters hearing?
I have a feeling it's the media rush to get anyone who a) has a remotely personal connection to the incident and b) obviously wants to talk on camera on their feed. Which should be wearing off sometime later today, and they'll likely get either their own common sense or some from higher up saying, "Um, yeah - we might want to issue some more critical commentary on that dude's interviews since pretty much every parent on the planet is giving him the side-eye."
Our clinical staff went to Med. Ctr. of Aurora to help out in the ICU yesterday, and they were stopped repeatedly asking if they had treated any of the victims, and any plain-clothes people approaching the hospital were getting mics shoved in their face asking if they had any part in the Aurora shooting. Hell, even one of the broadcasts yesterday trying to provide insight into the shooter had people from his apartment building who said right on camera, "Yeah, I'm not even really sure what he looks like - but I guess he could have frequented my work just down the road. If it's the same guy I'm thinking of, he was really quiet." :-| In that first 24-36 hours, there is hardly any vetting - they are prey to their own 24-hour news cycle and trying to get up front across the world.
Beyond driving away, it's bugging the shit out of me that this guy is throwing himself in front of every camera possible, and being portrayed as almost "heroic." What story are these reporters hearing?
Indeed. Piers Morgan sat all doe eyed last night making out with this guy never once mentioning the REAL story that is every where. Cowards don't make good stories I guess.
Everyone keeps glossing right over he fact that he left, I mean it's like the ugly white elephant in the room. Everyone knows he left his four month old son on the floor in the middle of a shooting but instead everyone is patting him on his dimwitted, douchecanoe, self serving, dickwad head.
Ya know, now that I've been reading that douchehead proposed to the woman while they were in the hospital and she said yes, I'm inclined to believe that they deserve each other. What he deserved after proposing is a swift kick to the balls from her for him driving away from the theater and leaving a total stranger to help her and her kids. But if she's willing to overlook that behavior, then I just don't know what else to say besides I wish she had higher standards for a husband.
Beyond driving away, it's bugging the shit out of me that this guy is throwing himself in front of every camera possible, and being portrayed as almost "heroic." What story are these reporters hearing?
Indeed. Piers Morgan sat all doe eyed last night making out with this guy never once mentioning the REAL story that is every where. Cowards don't make good stories I guess.
Everyone keeps glossing right over he fact that he left, I mean it's like the ugly white elephant in the room. Everyone knows he left his four month old son on the floor in the middle of a shooting but instead everyone is patting him on his dimwitted, douchecanoe, self serving, dickwad head.
I don't disagree that he is all of these things whatsoever, but how are people patting him on the head or glossing over what he did? It seems like it is super apparent that he is an ultimate coward, so doesn't that speak for itself? Or are people actively telling him he's not a fucking lowlife douchebag fuckhead?
Indeed. Piers Morgan sat all doe eyed last night making out with this guy never once mentioning the REAL story that is every where. Cowards don't make good stories I guess.
Everyone keeps glossing right over he fact that he left, I mean it's like the ugly white elephant in the room. Everyone knows he left his four month old son on the floor in the middle of a shooting but instead everyone is patting him on his dimwitted, douchecanoe, self serving, dickwad head.
I don't disagree that he is all of these things whatsoever, but how are people patting him on the head or glossing over what he did? It seems like it is super apparent that he is an ultimate coward, so doesn't that speak for itself? Or are people actively telling him he's not a fucking lowlife douchebag fuckhead?
Its the way the media is framing it. Instead of "Man leaves children behind to escape massacre" it's "Massacre survivor: 'Please let my family get out alive'" as if it was some uncontrollable tragedy that separated him from the kids and he just desperately did all he could to pray for them. Now they're painting it as a love story that he proposed after this tragedy taught him how precious life is, with nary a mention of his douchetastic behavior.
I don't disagree that he is all of these things whatsoever, but how are people patting him on the head or glossing over what he did? It seems like it is super apparent that he is an ultimate coward, so doesn't that speak for itself? Or are people actively telling him he's not a fucking lowlife douchebag fuckhead?
Its the way the media is framing it. Instead of "Man leaves children behind to escape massacre" it's "Massacre survivor: 'Please let my family get out alive'" as if it was some uncontrollable tragedy that separated him from the kids and he just desperately did all he could to pray for them. Now they're painting it as a love story that he proposed after this tragedy taught him how precious life is, with nary a mention of his douchetastic behavior.
I can't believe this story. Why the fuck would you tell anyone this?
It's funny, I actually was watching his interview with Ann Curry, but the audio was too low and DS was running around making lots of noise so I didn't actually hear his story.
I had no idea that he was talking about how he abandoned his 4-month year old on floor. WTF?
What I'm judging the most here is that he left the baby on the freaking floor. It's not like the mom was holding him - he laid the baby down and ran away for crying out loud.
I'm actually surprised he wasn't stepped on - he's really lucky that didn't happen.