s/o Punishment - what's the perfect punishment?

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Okay good so why have laws at all, amiright?

Plus, I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that people think there should be policies but no punishment or no punishment until you figure out a policy.

I'm arguing that there should be both.

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Or I can ditto SBP.

[dylanite]

Perfect punishment, IMO of course, is death for Sandusky and peeing on Paterno's grave. That's it.

[teflep]

Jul 23, 2012 11:28:09 GMT -5 asdfjkl said:

Jul 23, 2012 11:23:13 GMT -5 @littlemoxie said:

I guess the thing is, I think all university administrators/faculty/staff should have these rules. So the school should make the rules and coaches would obviously be covered.

The NCAA jurisdiction has been expanded by this incident; I doubt it will go backwards.

Habs: Emmybean seems to think all of these punishments are pointless because they won't stop things. Of course, no comments on what would be an appropriate punishment.

So basically, you think it's a "states' rights" issue. Of course, the fact that it was a "states' rights" issue was and is part of the problem here. The NCAAs entire purpose is to "legislate," regulate, sanction, and supervise collegiate athletics. So, if they can have rules about whether athletes are allowed to play penny poker and their church's fundraiser, they can have rules about whether coaches are allowed to fuck 12 year olds in the showers.

Schools should probably also have rules about what happens on their campuses. But I'm not aware of a National University Oversight Associate, the way there is an NCAA that oversees athletics. So the rules aren't mutually exclusive. It's not like if the NCAA sets up such rules, universities can't also set up even more restrictive rules or harsher penalties. But "we should leave this up to the schools" seems like an exceedingly bad idea considering it is essentially the status quo.

But it is against the law for an adult to sexually abuse anyone, including a minor. They should have policies in place to reinforce the Cleary Act, for sure,

[teflep]

Jul 23, 2012 11:44:28 GMT -5 @cse1960 said:

teflep, I am not understanding what you are saying. Do you think that the university cannot be punished civilly for covering up Sandusky's behavior, because Sandusky has been convicted criminally?

Not even close. I was responding to sbp's comment on the NCAA and their purview. The NCAA is not civil court so I am not sure where you make this leap, tbh.

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Jul 23, 2012 11:28:09 GMT -5 asdfjkl said:

So basically, you think it's a "states' rights" issue. Of course, the fact that it was a "states' rights" issue was and is part of the problem here. The NCAAs entire purpose is to "legislate," regulate, sanction, and supervise collegiate athletics. So, if they can have rules about whether athletes are allowed to play penny poker and their church's fundraiser, they can have rules about whether coaches are allowed to fuck 12 year olds in the showers.

Schools should probably also have rules about what happens on their campuses. But I'm not aware of a National University Oversight Associate, the way there is an NCAA that oversees athletics. So the rules aren't mutually exclusive. It's not like if the NCAA sets up such rules, universities can't also set up even more restrictive rules or harsher penalties. But "we should leave this up to the schools" seems like an exceedingly bad idea considering it is essentially the status quo.

Again, yes!

Individual schools should have these policies. But the NCAA has influence with these schools and can make it happen on a much wider scale than a school here and there.

We know it's a problem. So why on earth wouldn't you use that leverage to institute a policy across the board?

[teflep]

Jul 23, 2012 12:09:04 GMT -5 @habbsies said:

Jul 23, 2012 11:28:09 GMT -5 asdfjkl said:

So basically, you think it's a "states' rights" issue. Of course, the fact that it was a "states' rights" issue was and is part of the problem here. The NCAAs entire purpose is to "legislate," regulate, sanction, and supervise collegiate athletics. So, if they can have rules about whether athletes are allowed to play penny poker and their church's fundraiser, they can have rules about whether coaches are allowed to fuck 12 year olds in the showers.

Schools should probably also have rules about what happens on their campuses. But I'm not aware of a National University Oversight Associate, the way there is an NCAA that oversees athletics. So the rules aren't mutually exclusive. It's not like if the NCAA sets up such rules, universities can't also set up even more restrictive rules or harsher penalties. But "we should leave this up to the schools" seems like an exceedingly bad idea considering it is essentially the status quo.

Again, yes!

Individual schools should have these policies. But the NCAA has influence with these schools and can make it happen on a much wider scale than a school here and there.

We know it's a problem. So why on earth wouldn't you use that leverage to institute a policy across the board?

For a policy, I agree. If the catholic church can do it, at least here in the states, universities should be able to do so, with or without the NCAA. The US Dept of Ed should be dictating this, though, IMO. That is their job...to look over Ihe.